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	mythdefied 2003-09-02 07:23 am UTC (link)
	I wondered if that one would make it here. It's just been fun reading the coherent critiques of the, um, "work" in question and comparing them to the mindless, cookie-cutter reviews of earlier. (Reply to this)

	shoiryu 2003-09-02 08:07 am UTC (link)
	....XD Wow, Crystal Dawn sure went to town on her. Hahahahaha I'm gonna get smacked for this later. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	schoenschoen 2003-09-02 09:07 am UTC (link)
	Would you be surprised if I said she was the Queening BNF? ^^ Naw, didn't think so. Oooooh, but maybe she's the BNF in disguise, too! XD (Reply to this)(Parent)

	zannechaos 2003-09-02 11:49 am UTC (link)
	And over in FanFicRants, I've left my own copy of a review I left. ::snerks:: I just had to inform this child that Drugs are Bad. (Reply to this)

	rikoshi 2003-09-02 02:21 pm UTC (link)
	"The characters aren't out of character! The writer just characterizes them differently from the original creators!" That's called fucking out of character, for fuck's sake! HEADDESK (Reply to this)(Thread)

	virago 2003-09-02 05:39 pm UTC (link)
	Ha, that's precious. "I didn't steal your car, I just removed it from your driveway without your permission." (Reply to this)(Parent)

	zannechaos 2003-09-02 07:12 pm UTC (link)
	<obligatory cheap pervy joke moment> Considering she's wanting to pair up Lina with Zelgadis, I'd say they really ARE fucking out of character! </obligatory cheap pervy joke moment> (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

rann
2003-09-03 09:04 pm UTC (link)

Heh. Don't talk to me, I think there IS Lina/Zel subtext. (And Lina/Xelloss. And Lina/Naga. And Lina/Amelia. ... Do we really need to go into this?)
I'm very uncanon about which pairings I'll ship, but I can be canon too. When I'm wildly uncanon, I'll admit it. However, sometimes I'll do non-canon pairings that I think there are actual possibilities for in the series. Then, when someone throws a fit and goes "NO! YOU CAN'T DO THAT! IT'S NOT CANON!"
I hate to bring Harry Potter into it, since everyone runs Harry Potter into the ground here at F_W, but Ron/Hermione is the easiest example. A lot of fans will rave about it being the only canon there is, when there's only very marginal support. I mean, there's as much, if not more, support for Ryoko/Ayeka as there is for Ron/Hermione. But pair either of them up with someone else and it's a bitchfest waiting to happen.
(Now, as I understand it, Lina and Gourry is somewhat more canon than not. However, since they're not married and with a bunch of kids by the end of Try, I'd hardly say the relationship is iron-clad and the only possible one.)

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zannechaos
2003-09-03 09:13 pm UTC (link)

I 'shipped Zel/Lina briefly during the first season. The majority of the subtext is there. But then, at the time, everyone was also meeting everyone else for the first time, so the group dynamics were still trying to settle.

By the time TRY rolls around, there's actually more Zel/Filia subtext than Zel/Lina. What I see between Zel/Lina by the time TRY starts up is more of a comfortable old friendship. Not a romantic love, but the kind of platonic love that's borne out of a developed trust and friendship. The more I saw of their personalities, the less I could see the relationship working on a romantic scale. Just because two people work well in friendship doesn't always mean they'll click romantically. One of my best friends, a guy I dated before J, was like that. Fortunately, we agreed beforehand that no matter what happened -- we both knew it was a gamble to alter the relationship we did have -- we'd remain friends. The dynamics between us that worked -- and still work -- in friendship blew all to hell when it became a romantic involvement. We understood each other well enough to be an excellent team as friends, but nowhere near enough to support any kind of realistic possibility of a life together.

But then again, in just about anything I've seen -- not just anime but a lot of shows, there's subtext flyin' around like feathers in a pillow fight around the principle characters to the supporting cast. A lot of times though, it's a group dynamic/platonic chemistry. Chemistry doesn't always mean romantic love.

Vive le friendship!

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	ladylisse 2003-09-02 04:42 pm UTC (link)
	"It's not OOC! I just changed their personalities and all the relationships and made Zelgadis teh kewleez!!!11!one!" faceplant Right. Where's my beatin' spork? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	zannechaos 2003-09-02 06:54 pm UTC (link)
	Where's my beatin' spork? ICON! I smell icon in that statement. And I'm overtired and punchy enough at the moment to be visualizing it with Granny from the Beverly Hillbillies in the icon... "Jed, where's my beatin' spork?" (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	mariagoner 2003-09-02 08:39 pm UTC (link)
	That would be a groovy icon... but I don't think it would be complete without sound effects. Let's have... pigs screaming in the background as they are being slaughtered. Seems to fit this situation. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sagralisse 2003-09-02 09:18 pm UTC (link)
	That little alien icon with the baseball bat is cute. Just delete the baseball bat and add a spork. Damn I want to do animated gifs. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ladylisse 2003-09-02 11:48 pm UTC (link)
	I wish I had artistic skills now. Wah. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sagralisse 2003-09-03 12:40 am UTC (link)
	Meee tooo! wails (Reply to this)(Parent)

	feenix 2003-09-03 12:13 am UTC (link)
	I know this is probably the worst icon ever...but... I am so sorry. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	feenix 2003-09-02 11:58 pm UTC (link)
	OT: Love your icon. However...what the hell spawned THAT pairing? (I mean, the KY costs must go through the roof with those two.) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	schoenschoen 2003-09-03 03:21 am UTC (link)
	Well, it was a thread that got started in response to this post about GUTB. Zanne has the Zel/Gollum icon, I wound up with a Frodo/Ame one, and J, and I believe UO, wound up with Gourry/Legolas. XD ....MAN. Wonder what would happen if someone threw GUTB at this wanker? ^^ But... sigh it looks like she took her story down. ;_; sigh One tear. :'( (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	zannechaos 2003-09-03 03:30 am UTC (link)
	jchaos got Samwise/Gravos. ::snickering hysterically:: I rather like unoriginality's icon - Gourry looks like he's groping Legolas. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	feenix 2003-09-04 12:23 am UTC (link)
	... Legolas/Gourry. The hair dye/bleach costs must be through the roof with those two. Gourrolas: omgtheirloveissoblond (Reply to this)(Parent)

feenix
2003-09-02 05:29 pm UTC (link)

...you're making this up, right?

I mean, I've only seen a couple episodes of Slayers and Next (as well as the movies Perfect and Great), but even I know that Slayers is about two things (at heart):

1) Lina being the most powerful sorceress in the world. And thus a bad motherfucker.
2 [movies]) Naga, apparently, having the biggest boobs in the world.
2 [series]) Lina, apparently, having the smallest boobs in the world.

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rann
2003-09-02 07:09 pm UTC (link)

Naga's not QUITE as incompetent in the manga as they made her out to be in her anime appearances. (She even got to save Lina's life once or twice.) But then, Lina seems to like Naga a bit better in the manga as well. Naga's chest is emphasized more in the anime, and she's relegated more to fanservice area.
But, yeah, she's nowhere near the greatest sorceress in the world, save in her own mind. (But then, she's from Amelia's family, what do you expect?)

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zannechaos
2003-09-02 07:16 pm UTC (link)

And by TRY, Amelia's shaped up to be a pretty powerful mage in her own right. She's either mastered or is close to mastering two different disciplines of magicks: White and Shamanism. While she's not quite as strong as Zelgadis is in that respect, she's also not been practicing it as long as he has, yet she's clearly got a handle on some of the higher level spells in that area as well.

But then, Amelia's also got much better self-discipline by that point than I've seen in Naga in either mangas or the anime.

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	mariagoner 2003-09-02 08:41 pm UTC (link)
	Amelia just doesn't get enough love, man. She's, what, sixteen? And she's already a high-level mage in two disciplines, one offensive and one defensive. She's shaping up to be a bad mofo in her own right as well. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	rann 2003-09-03 09:06 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, but Lina's a year younger than Amelia, I think, and she's the most powerful, so NO EXCUSE! continues whipping Amelia Work harder! Work harder! Use that tongue more! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	chaos_priestess 2003-09-02 09:38 pm UTC (link)
	Owwwwwwww. I used to be a Zel/Lina shipper when I was in the fandom, and this STILL would have hurt me beyond belief. The OOC... the character bashing... oh, my poor Slayers fandom and 'ship, I weep for you. (Reply to this)(Thread)

schoenschoen
2003-09-03 03:06 am UTC (link)

*pets* I know, sweetie. ;_;

Myself, I've always liked Lina/Gourry, but not enough to write fics about it. ^^ My true calling has always been Xel/Fil. Since I have such a weird favorite pairing, my natural compulsion is to be revoltingly nice to those I don't happen to agree with, in the hopes that they'll one day be nice to people down the road.

Or at least provide me more wank when they act like demented 4-year olds. ^^

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	rann 2003-09-03 09:07 pm UTC (link)
	my natural compulsion is to be revoltingly nice to those I don't happen to agree with, in the hopes that they'll one day be nice to people down the road. Wank it forward. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	chaos_priestess 2003-09-04 12:31 am UTC (link)
	The thing is, I know EXACTLY where Lina/Gourry and Zel/Amelia fans are coming from. Their feelings reach out of the TV and slap you upside the head. I'm not going to rant about why I don't see the pairings in the long run, though. Xel/Fil! Mmmm. Good stuff. And I hope you have fun with the wank. grin so innocent it's evil (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2003-09-04 08:46 am UTC (link)
	"Story not found" cries I always miss the good stuff. (Reply to this)