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	sepiamagpie 2003-09-09 05:58 am UTC (link)
	what's a luncy? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	tviokh 2003-09-09 06:43 am UTC (link)
	snerk Good question! That type slipped by. I meant to say "lynch", don't ask me how the FUCK I got "luncy" (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	tviokh 2003-09-09 06:44 am UTC (link)
	AGH! sob TYPO! TYPO! Not "type"...I think I should just give up and go to bed. :D (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sepiamagpie 2003-09-09 08:06 am UTC (link)
	Bed's for losers. The good lord gave us coffee. and coke. and other various caffineated beverages. Satan just gave us comfy pillows and nice warm blankets and I just lost track of what I was saying. mm. bed. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	:O schoenschoen 2003-09-09 10:07 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, but coke KILLS, man! Haven't you been paying attention?! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: :O delfeus 2003-09-09 08:29 pm UTC (link)
	No, it just makes your teeth fall off... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: :O unnamed 2003-09-09 11:53 pm UTC (link)
	Now he dead from ~~coke~~ periodontitis. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	schoenschoen 2003-09-09 10:09 am UTC (link)
	So... snort you're telling me... that Mary Sues are being likened to churches, great works of art, and Virginia Woolf? sporfle What the hell. Sure, kid. Whatever. You know, if it's well-written and intelligent enough, most times it ceases to be a Mary Sue. S'my opinion, at least. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	ailei 2003-09-09 04:09 pm UTC (link)
	It's my opinion, too. Mary Sues are, by definition, crap. A well-conceived, well-executed original character is something entirely different. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	thebratqueen 2003-09-09 06:29 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, that's the thing that always threw me about the Mary Sue defenders, since to me a Mary Sue, by definition, is something that sucks. If it was an original female character that was actually well-rounded and compelling, we wouldn't call them a Mary Sue, we'd call them an original character. We're lazy like that. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	limyaael 2003-09-09 06:47 pm UTC (link)
	I've heard some people claim that Mary Sues are just good fun, or indulgence for a writer, or improve someone's writing skills. To which I say: Then have your fun or indulgence or improvement on your own hard drive, please. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	thebratqueen 2003-09-09 06:52 pm UTC (link)
	Well I've got nothing against the Mary Sue kidlettes out there. They don't provably cause cancer anymore than I do so I don't see the harm in them writing their little brains out. It's not like they thrust the stories into my hand like a Jack Chick pamphlet or anything. I just dispute the claim of a "good" Mary Sue since to me that's an oxymoron. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

limyaael
2003-09-09 07:08 pm UTC (link)

I don't mind the ones who don't know what a Mary Sue is. It's the people who claim to be writing a "good Mary Sue" or "rehabilitating [tired plotline x]" or "writing a self-insert who's pretty and has special powers and warps the canon world but is fun to read about, honest!" who get my goat.

This seems to happen quite often in LOTR fandom, which has enough unintentional Sues as it is. Come on, people who know better, write something else!

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	valarltd 2003-09-09 07:03 pm UTC (link)
	And sometimes they're just fun to kill: http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Stage/5785/SW/marysue.html Mary Sue has her place. Of course, I think it's either in humor fic or in the bottom drawer. I committed Saavik-Sue and Willow-Sue in my writing days. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	limyaael 2003-09-09 09:08 pm UTC (link)
	I've done Sues/Stus in my time, too. Writing for self-indulgence is fine, fun, and all the rest, but when they put their self-indulgence up and expect to get praised for it, it's silly to expect the reader's indulgence. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Just a few questions... vengeance_bean 2003-09-09 10:44 am UTC (link)
	What happened to the other seven hundred or so purists out there in the Tolkien fandom? Did they get eaten by the giant spiders or choke to death on the sheer gall from Ms. Mary Sue? Can I be part of the secret society? Do I have to provide my own hoodie? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	Re: Just a few questions... chash 2003-09-09 01:54 pm UTC (link)
	If there's a free hoodie involved, I'm in too. I need a good hoodie. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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Re: Just a few questions...
rowan
2003-09-09 07:28 pm UTC (link)
MR. B. NATURAL. :O
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Re: Just a few questions...
sagralisse
2003-09-09 07:04 pm UTC (link)
What happened to the other seven hundred or so purists out there in the Tolkien fandom?

zzzzzzzzznork! Wha? Sorry, I nodded off there for a bit. You called?
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