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Eyes of Azarias ([info]azarias) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2003-09-29 17:55:00


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Entry tags:fandom: dragonriders of pern, gay

Dragonriders of Pern wank
Hi, obligatory mouthings about first post, many thanks to amasaglajax for giving me a code, etc., etc.

This wank is a couple of weeks old, but it's still a good one, and it's guaranteed to flare back up again. I was hesitant to post it because Pern fandom has a few solid decades of wank behind it, and there's no way I can adequately sum up to the uninitiated just how much spooge has been flung around this fandom.

Why am I still in it? First, I like to think that I inhabit the mostly sane corner, and second, there's an unending supply of dancing monkeys to entertain me.


A quick run-down of some of the points that make Pern the hellhole that it is:

1.) The wank starts at the top. The author (and since she's getting old, her children are stepping up to bat) insists on overseeing fannish activities to make sure they're doing it right. I think everyone can appreciate what this leads to.

2.) Many fans use religious terms to discuss the author, her "inner circle," and her writings. There's a scary cultish streak here.

3.) The books themselves started out as moderatively imaginative romance novels with an interesting but under-explored fantasy/psuedo-scientific setting and rapidly went downhill.

4.) The author in her position as cult leader has made some rather ... interesting unscientific, unPC statements that are still getting debated Because Anne Said So (I swear to god that BASS is an acronym in common use), which means it must be true. A famous example: getting fucked up the ass once makes you smell gay. FOREVER. And not just gay, girly-gay. Moving on ...

5.) This is the most pertinent one for this wank. Merchandise and multimedia tie-ins for Pern have been handled abysmally, forever. The author has a history of pitching fits at people who "do things wrong," thereby sinking many a project, and those that have been completed have pretty much blown. (The suck that is the Pern Dreamcast game ...) A few years ago, a deal was made to make a Pern television series for the WB. That fizzled pretty much at the eleventh hour for reasons that I don't fully understand and don't have time to go into. Since then, the fans, especially the psycho cultists among them, have latched on like pitbulls to the idea of a Pern movie. That is where our wank opens.

EDIT: I wrote this in a hurry before a class, accidentally posted it in my journal instead of here, and just now posted it here without elaborating on stuff I could elaborate on. So. The t.v. series. I don't remember everything that happened; like I said, it was a few years ago. The series was being funded by the WB and directed by Ron Moore of Star Trek TNG and DS9 fame. Supposedly, the set was built, the cast and crew was hired, everything was ready, and then Moore pulled the plug the day before filming was to start because of artistic differences among his vision, McCaffrey's vision, and the WB's vision-- mostly the WB's. Supposedly. I've heard explanations ranging from "The WB was insisting it be like Xena and Moore wouldn't go for it" to "McCaffrey threw a fit because they weren't doing it right." That project had been bounced from studio to studio for a few years prior, too, so it was probably a big combination of things.



http://forum.annemccaffrey.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12849

Alec is Anne McCaffrey's oldest son and business manager. In what I assume is an attempt to demonstrate to potential buyers that there is a significant fanbase which will see a movie, he asks for people to write posts addressed at a theoretical producer.

Watch fans make demands. We can't have any old producer or director on this-- we must have QUENTIN TARANTINO.

Watch fans insist that the half-senile author who changes her canon with every book be the ultimate word on everything.

Watch fans promise to harass the director who should dare to "do it wrong."

Watch Nefret invoke one of the Endless Wanks of Pern, the question of dragon colors and human genders.

Watch Anareth say something sensible that most people don't get.

Watch mikesdragon bring in an argument about an unrelated lawsuit (which deserves a wank thread of its own, probably) for the sole purpose of adding to the wank.

It's a circus, and it's free!



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If you write Domlijah incorporating this ...
[info]azarias
2003-09-30 12:15 am UTC (link)
... I might break my personal no-RPS rule long enough to read it. God I'm weak.

Anyhow, it's a combination of this section of an interview transcript between Anne McCaffrey and somebody (the full transcript has been pretty systematically removed from the 'net-- I wonder why):

"A: The situation will arise where two males will enagage in
sexual activity. Greenriders, have to be homosexual.

Q: Some fandom Weyrs choose to seperate sexual tendencies
and flight related sex experiences...

A: Let me stop you right there, there is no seperation.
Two men engaging in sexual activity with one another are
gay. The dragons choose based on their own drives.

Q: *audible pause* *sounds of paper rustling* But, uh,
some people say one experience, especially under the
control of outside forces dosen't really make you
*emphasis* gay.

A: It's not a matter of the rider *emphasis* becoming
homosexual. Green and blue dragons choose people who are
already homosexual. And even if circumstances arose, and
a green dragon chose a heterosexual lifemate... Well, he
would become homosexual. It's a proven fact that a single
anal sex experience causes one to be homosexual. The
hormones released by a sexual situation involving the
anus being broached, are the same hormones found in large
quantities in effeminate homosexual males. For example,
when I was much younger I knew a young man who was
for all intents and purposes, heterosexual. He was mugged,
and involved in a rape situation involving a tent peg.
This one event was enough to have him start on a road that
eventually led to him becoming effeminate and gay.

Q: *another pause* In regards to holders, how many people
actually lived in the hold proper, and how many in outlying
communities?"

And this letter, issued to fan clubs around 1997, when there was a huge kerfuffle involving dragon and human gender-sexuality matches.

http://rukbat.mushland.com/info/airforce.html

http://www.cibryen.com/airforce.html [This is a revised version circa 2000)

The scientist she mentions as backing up her theory, by the way, is an expert in designing alien puppets for science fiction movies.

Yeah.

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[info]rann
2003-09-30 12:18 am UTC (link)
God... just when you think a BNA couldn't get more insane than Anne Rice...

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[info]beccastareyes
2003-09-30 02:06 am UTC (link)
Given Ms. McCaffrey's attitude towards gays (One Brush With Anal Sex=Gay For Life) and something someone mentioned in the Anne Rice wank (apparently how a character was gay until he met The Right Woman), is it wrong to want to see them in a Cage Match to the Death? Battle of the god-awfully stupid gay stereotypes...

And now my curious mind wonders about bisexual and lesbian dragonriders. -_- *goes to kill the urge with homework*

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Re: - [info]rann, 2003-09-30 02:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]azarias, 2003-09-30 02:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]starherd, 2003-09-30 06:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]azarias, 2003-09-30 06:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]starherd, 2003-09-30 08:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]heyoka, 2003-09-30 07:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]azarias, 2003-09-30 07:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]heyoka, 2003-09-30 09:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]irk, 2003-09-30 04:20 pm UTC
wow....
[info]rob1
2003-09-30 12:23 am UTC (link)
Um- am struck dumb (in the sense I can feel my brain cells dropping dead as I type this). I vaguely remember reading 'The White Dragon' (maybe?) when I was a kid. I definitely DON'T remember the anal sex parts. And tent pegs? Are there tent pegs in the books? Will using tent pegs turn me into a fem gay man? I'm off to the bookstore to stock up on 'Pern' books and a basic biology text!

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Re: wow....
darthhellokitty
2003-09-30 12:37 am UTC (link)
And I'm off to REI for a tent!

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Re: wow....
[info]lizardlaugh
2003-09-30 12:45 am UTC (link)
dude! I was reading Pern books during my formative pre-teen years. It scarred me for life. Come to think of it, I was reading Anne Rice back then too. It is a wonder I don't need therapy.

Actually, there is no anal sex that I recall. It is alluded to, you know, because when the greens (mostly ridden by gay men) mate with male dragons, the riders get it on. No actual anal sex scenes, unfortunately. Or rather, fortunately, because it would have read like the worst slash ever.

The later books are more open about the gay-ness. The first three you can do the math and figure there MUST be a lot of men gettin' teh gay on. Either that, or the kitchen wenches are kept pretty busy. In later books, the riders are more openly gay. Still, no explicit butt sex.

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Jeesh!!! - [info]rob1, 2003-09-30 01:01 am UTC
Re: Jeesh!!! - [info]darkrose, 2003-09-30 01:26 am UTC
Re: Jeesh!!! - darthhellokitty, 2003-09-30 02:49 am UTC
Re: Jeesh!!! - [info]walkingundine, 2003-09-30 05:37 am UTC
Re: Jeesh!!! - [info]folk, 2003-09-30 09:45 am UTC
Re: Jeesh!!! - [info]norabombay, 2003-09-30 04:49 pm UTC
Re: Jeesh!!! - [info]folk, 2003-10-01 12:35 am UTC
Re: wow.... - [info]darkrose, 2003-09-30 01:25 am UTC
Re: wow.... - [info]coyotegirl, 2003-09-30 06:31 am UTC
Re: wow....
(Anonymous)
2003-09-30 01:58 am UTC (link)
**giggling**

Which is why I, too, hide in a quiet, unknow, sane corner of Pern fandom. Gotta watch out for them Pernazis and their tent pegs you know.

Seruously, I've been into Pern Fandom for years, but I had never heard that exact quote before. Every time I'd read parts of that transcript it ended before the 'proven fact' bit. That is seriously whacked.

Dee

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Re: wow.... - [info]trintrin, 2003-10-02 01:15 am UTC
Re: wow.... - [info]deejay435, 2003-10-02 04:11 am UTC
Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ...
[info]gairid
2003-09-30 12:29 am UTC (link)
*Looking about for the Anus Broaching icon*

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Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ...
[info]iczer6
2003-09-30 12:53 am UTC (link)
[It's a proven fact that a single
anal sex experience causes one to be homosexual. The
hormones released by a sexual situation involving the
anus being broached, are the same hormones found in large
quantities in effeminate homosexual males.]

Anne, sweetheart, you really should NOT get your info on human sexuality from the CrackerJack box. While they do, occasionally, have some good whistles and rings they aren't the place to go for scientific info.


Icz

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Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ...
[info]amasaglajax
2003-09-30 01:07 am UTC (link)
Forget Cracker Jack box. She got her info on sexuality straight from my father, who is a 67 year old half-Serbian, half-Croatian man from a rural village in Yugoslavia.

I love him to pieces, but scientific, objective, and unbiased he is not. The Cracker Jack box would be a better source of information about human sexuality.

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Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ...
[info]gairid
2003-09-30 01:23 am UTC (link)
I wonder what happens if a woman has her anus broached? Does she become a gay man?

God...wankity wank. I read a couple of the Pern books a long time ago...I barely remmber them, thoug now that I read the honkin' big wank that is the Pern Fandom, I do recall the green dragons with their homosexual riders. If there was slashy sex written I'm pretty sure I would have kept on reading, at least for a while.

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Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ... - [info]banal_o_rama, 2003-09-30 01:43 am UTC
Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ... - [info]visp, 2003-09-30 04:16 am UTC
Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ... - [info]visp, 2003-09-30 04:30 am UTC
Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ... - [info]folk, 2003-09-30 09:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mauralabingi, 2003-09-30 02:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]soleta, 2003-09-30 02:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sagralisse, 2003-09-30 02:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]darthtall, 2003-09-30 02:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]gairid, 2003-09-30 02:26 am UTC
(no subject) - ataniell93, 2003-09-30 05:50 pm UTC
Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ...
[info]folk
2003-09-30 09:44 am UTC (link)
I think you mean she shouldn't get her info while SMOKING TEH CRACK. Woman's a freak.

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Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ...
[info]lizardlaugh
2003-09-30 01:12 am UTC (link)
can't... breathe...


The hormones released by a sexual situation involving the
anus being broached, are the same hormones found in large
quantities in effeminate homosexual males.


Jesus butt fucking christ!!!! I missed this. Just what are these femmey gay hormones? I think they must only be found in the fictional works of heterosexual women. Isn't the anus broached everytime someone does a number two? shouldn't all men be filled with femmey gay hormones, or do straight men defecate out of some mystical orifince women and gay men just don't have?

On a slightly OT note, an ex-boyfriend of mine was actually raped by an older boy as child, and he came out of the situation straight and surprizingly well adjusted, given the situation.

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Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ...
[info]sagralisse
2003-09-30 02:23 am UTC (link)
My sweetie's an RN, and sometimes he has to... er... well never mind that, but he's going to be very upset at the number of men he's converted to gayness.

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Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ... - [info]mariagoner, 2003-09-30 10:34 pm UTC
Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ... - [info]sagralisse, 2003-09-30 10:46 pm UTC
Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ... - [info]chaimonkey, 2004-07-28 06:34 pm UTC
Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ...
[info]iris
2003-09-30 01:37 am UTC (link)
*sporfle*

I cannot believe I just read that.

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The memories! Oh, god! The memories!
[info]uniquesnowflake
2003-09-30 04:34 am UTC (link)
I knew a young man who was
for all intents and purposes, heterosexual. He was mugged,
and involved in a rape situation involving a tent peg.
This one event was enough to have him start on a road that
eventually led to him becoming effeminate and gay.


GOD DAMN YOU, ANNE! I TOLD YOU THAT IN CONFIDENCE!

*sobs uncontrollably and commits a histrionic suicide, a la Hamlet*

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Re: The memories! Oh, god! The memories!
[info]folk
2003-09-30 09:42 am UTC (link)
Lamprey, madam?

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Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ...
[info]darqstar
2003-09-30 04:41 am UTC (link)
It's a proven fact that a single
anal sex experience causes one to be homosexual. The
hormones released by a sexual situation involving the
anus being broached, are the same hormones found in large
quantities in effeminate homosexual males.
Well, that certainly explains why every guy released from prison is gay now, doesn't it?

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Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ...
[info]mariagoner
2003-09-30 05:19 am UTC (link)
...Wow. Now I just want to wallop her over the head with my "Psychology of Human Sexuality" textbook. Really. Really. Hard.

(I think I might even be able to muscle my bisexual-and-not-one-or-the-other-damnit professor into doing it as well!)

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Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ...
[info]beccastareyes
2003-09-30 01:41 pm UTC (link)
Can I get my bisexual friends to help?

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Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ... - [info]mariagoner, 2003-09-30 09:59 pm UTC
Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ...
[info]thepinkmarauder
2003-09-30 08:37 am UTC (link)
For example,
when I was much younger I knew a young man who was
for all intents and purposes, heterosexual. He was mugged,
and involved in a rape situation involving a tent peg.
i>

Now he gay from tent peg!

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Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ... - [info]rikoshi, 2003-09-30 09:52 am UTC
Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ... - [info]sagralisse, 2003-09-30 07:31 pm UTC
Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ... - [info]crevette, 2003-10-01 01:42 am UTC
Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ... - (Anonymous), 2003-10-01 01:54 am UTC
Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ... - [info]azarias, 2003-10-01 04:30 am UTC
Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ... - (Anonymous), 2003-10-01 05:06 am UTC
Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ...
[info]seda
2003-09-30 10:34 am UTC (link)
Tent peg?

Just.

Ow.

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Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ...
[info]irk
2003-09-30 05:59 pm UTC (link)
Dude, in The Tower and the Hive practically the first thing that happens is a gay guy sleeps with his best [female] friend [BUT JUST TO COMFORT HER] and then goes straight. Or bi. I'm not sure since I couldn't read past that.

So, is this how it goes?

penis+straight_man_ass=gay
gay_man_dick+vagina=straight

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Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ...
[info]phosfate
2003-10-01 03:40 pm UTC (link)
Dear Anne:

You're a complete loony.

Best,

Ann

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Re: If you write Domlijah incorporating this ...
(Anonymous)
2003-10-07 02:34 pm UTC (link)
Hrm. There was a AU drabble at the lotrips100 community at lj, that was set in the Pern world. It may have been domlijah, I don't remember, it was a while back.

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