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For lucky best wash, use Mr. Sparkle. ([info]mrsparkle) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2003-10-27 21:48:00


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Current mood:*sporfle!*

Those Magical Moments...
I don't know about y'all, but I'd rather relive some classic *gasp* Het! HP wank than have to make do with Aja/Stacey/Ivy/CC/Libertine/who gives a flying...you get the point. You can't live on the same wank forever.

An "Ah, memories!" post. For all those Snapefans out there...this one's for you. The wank shall always live on in your hearts.

…Since it took over EIGHT MONTHS for the threads to pretend to die.



Well. The whole thing started with the posting of chapters 20-27 in the (arguably) greatest unfinished Hermione/Snape fic ever to taint grace the fandom, Pawn To Queen, by Riley.

The beauty of this wank? Not caused by real-life stalkers, kitchen knives, plagiarism (arguably) or anything of the sort. Just pure Fic Gone To Hell.

I make no claim to be impartial in this account, so I am wanking myself in a way! Joy! But I was a relatively new voice in the fandom at the time this all started, so I was impartial when the whole wankage began, at least.

Pawn to Queen was supposed to be a serial/novel/thing-monster encompassing 100 or so chapters of Hermione and Snape smut, beginning with Hermione Granger, a student at Hogwarts, being fondled by Snape (her teacher and also a double-agent working for The Light!) in front of Lucius Malfoy (A really, really bad dude. Arguably sexy in the way that Draco is, just more evil). Snape feels terrible about what he's done, Hermione is traumatized, yada, yada, yada, great set-up for darkfic if you like that sort of thing. The story held intrigue, proper grammar, good spelling most of the time, seemed harmless enough.

THEN.

Riley Became God. And God Created a *female* Blaise Zabini (a genderless student from Slytherin House, debated topic once in a blue moon), The Ultimate Mary Sue.

To properly pimp her Nietzsche-an ideals, her undying adoration for Ayn Rand, her utter contempt for any mention of Christianity in anything remotely resembling a positive light (ever), her fannish adoration of C.L. Cherryh's Cyteen and her unshakable opinion that the world that J.K. Rowling created was a morally relativist one and that Voldemort was "not necessarily intended to be evil," she invents...

The STREGA.

*coughs*

The Strega (corrupting the word 'striga' from Italian, which means a witch who eats unbaptized infants (this will be funnier later), the Strega are a clan of matriarchs with powers able to surpass The most powerful characters in the books. In other words, they could rule the world, but they choose not to because these women desire to rule from the inside--through politics and manipulation. They have ties to the Italian Mafia, and several witch's parents are Big Daddy Bosses.

Guess what Blaise is.

The story then delineates into a journal of how Blaise turns Hermione into this conniving, vengeful seductress whose only real pleasure in life is making Snape look pussywhipped. Forever. No matter what.

Oh, and Draco Malfoy "rapes" Blaise (he unbuttons two buttons on her shirt, in actually, but who's got time for details when you're an all-powerful, wandless witch?), giving her just cause to make him into her personal bitch, which she does by throwing a sex manual at him during mealtime.

See how many times you can find the word "strega!"

"What do you want, Malfoy?" She wasn't too worried, just annoyed: what she'd said to Hermione was true--- no wizard in his right mind would dare bother strega.
"Just to--- talk." Malfoy stepped away from his pet thugs, coming close, trying to trap her in her chair.
"Last time I looked, talking didn't involve invasions of personal space." She looked coldly up at him, put just a touch of strega-sense behind it, the attitude of a queen on her throne.
Malfoy felt it, she could tell; for a moment, he backed off--- then it seemed to anger him. "This kind of talking does." He leaned close enough that she could smell his breath--- mint; she was surprised he bothered. "C'mon, Blaise--- don't tell me you don't get tired of that Teasdale puppy---" .....
"Don't make me laugh." She turned back to her book, radiating go away.
A hand gripped her arm, bruising. "You'll pay attention when I'm talking to you---"
She tapped her wand. "Relashio." He stared as his hand came off her shoulder with the force of her spell. "Is that how your father treats your mother?
"That's none of you business---" Draco, unaccountably, flushed.
"Oh but it is." Blaise couldn't resist playing with him--- she was, after all, strega. "After all, if you want me to take the spot Parkinson's always after, surely I should know how a Malfoy wife gets treated?"
Draco sneered. "Who said anything about wife, Muggle-lover---" And suddenly his wand was out--- and he said, "Expelliarmus" a fraction of a second before she did. Her wand ended up in Goyle's hand.
This was getting serious. Blaise glared at him coolly. "Give that back." She strove for the tone her mother took with some of her father's ruder guests.
"Not until we're done with our--- chat." Malfoy invaded her space again, trapping her in her seat. "And since you're going to be difficult---"
He snapped his fingers, and his two goons came forward.
Blaise cursed under her breath. But she had another weapon in her arsenal. She concentrated, felt the power of strega, of knowing what she was and what her rights were. "Stop. Now. You're Slytherins--- you should know better than to attack strega."
Both the thugs stopped, shaking their heads. Blaise felt a surge of triumph.
And Malfoy laughed. "Ah, yes--- strega...." He moved closer, his hands on the arms of the chair. "Well, get this, 'queen of witches'--- not all men will fall at your feet when you snap those pretty fingers."
This was a reaction she'd never seen--- her use of her power seemed to infuriate him rather than lulling him. Blaise was beginning to panic.
Malfoy snapped his fingers, and his goons came forward. She glared at them, and they stopped--- Malfoy looked over his shoulder. "Don't be absurd, you two, it's three on one---" He looked back at Blaise, and licked his lips. "Yes... that's going to be... interesting...." The thugs got hold of her arms, pinning her to the chair.
Blaise felt the first genuine fear she'd known since her mother had given her that necklace. Wasn't the power of strega supposed to stop them in their tracks--- no matter what? "I said let go."
"And I say, hold her." Malfoy was breathing in her face again, his hand on the buttons of her robes. "Yes--- hold her----
Blaise trembled, feeling the medallion on her chest, a cold burning weight. Circe, Morgana, and Lilith, look with favor upon your daughter, your disciple---
But nothing happened--- and Malfoy slowly began undoing the buttons of her robe.
And Blaise's control snapped. Blind anger, terror, a deep sense that this must not happen, that it was wrong--- all of it expressed in two panicked words: "Get away---"
And, quite abruptly and involuntarily, they did.
Blaise stood very still, not daring to move, and looked at the unconscious forms of her attackers. She'd cast Stupefy on them--- and without a wand.


I could go on about how Snape is a snivelling, wussy baby, dominated by the shadow of his (strega?) sexual teacher who taught him sex magick for Death Eater/Bad Guy purposes, or how there are far too many references to twelve and thirteen-year olds getting their freak on...but I won't. The point is that the story had been overtaken by the Mother Harpies of All Mary Sues Everywhere, and Hermione and Snape were lost in the mists.

What was part of a nice review was the first actual criticism of the work on the yahoo!list "WhenIKissedTheTeacher." (Message number 3316, when the list only had about 600 of us or so):

Lara to Riley:

Hrm.. Blaise is being rather bitchy towards Snape, which I don't particularly like. While the characters (and in turn the author) may have a different opinion of things, it sure seems like she's throwing the fact that she's strega in his face and taking advantage of his upbringing.

Hermione takes an unfortunate turn for the worst in these chapters, though I do
understand; I just don't care for it. She helps him, sees him at his absolute
worst, knows he's vulnerable, and now... she's going to take unabashed joy in
wringing him out? This bugs me as it feels not consistent for her behavior.
Her sudden (however hesitant) vindictiveness is not very becoming.

Good reactions from the older Gryffindors to the book. :)

In general, these chapters are leading me to believe strega actually means
annoying bitch. It's not that I don't believe in the existence of strong women
or that it's not believable... SImply that as they're protrayed, I don't
like them.
I don't dislike them for picking on Snape (though it certainly seems to be
their sport of choice), but because they just annoy me. I think my strega
tolerance level may be only 1-2. 3-4 is simply too high for me.


Another commenter chimes in towards Riley:

I *really* liked Claudia Teasdale. I am still squicked
that Florian is only a 3rd year; that's 13 to Blaise's
17, and a bit of a stretch for me. Also, while I found
the Blaise angle pertinent to Hermione's recovery, I'm
a little stunned she's pervaded the story to this
level. Long live the nerd!grrls, but I am far more
interested in the Sev/Herm angle rather than what's
happening with Blaise Zabini. And I'm not sure I like
weepy self-mutilating Snape. He seems to be slipping
perilously OOC. But this is AU, after all, you can do
what you want. You're the boss :)



Then there's Voldemort and genetics... (Either valjean131 or wincey11, I believe, addressing Riley)

Voldemort appears to've warned off his Death Eaters from confronting
strege. Is there a fundamental reason he wouldn't've taken the
opposite tack and tried to focus his recruiting efforts on them? Even
if he and his followers were profoundly misogynistic, it doesn't seem
to've stopped relatively normal witches from joining him; why didn't
at least one strega sign up as well?

Or conversely, if *one* not-quite-sorta-strega (Lily) zapped his ass
off when her full power was invoked, then why couldn't a consortium
of many strege, even if not individually full-powered, have been
mustered against him earlier? And what are the average strega/mage
ratios anyway, with both numbers and horsepower?

Thanks to earlier fantasy reading with genetics charts in the back,
I'm now vaguely wondering about the inheritance pattern of
stregatude. X-linked lethal codominants come to mind as an
explanation of why there aren't equal numbers of magi: a normal witch
is XX, a strega is XX', and any male embryos who draw X'Y never last
full-term. Female X'X' embryos would then be impossible except for
meiotic accidents, and they wouldn't survive either anyway. If
magedom comes from the same source as stregatude (not a certain
hypothesis by any means), then that would require a mage to be XX'Y,
which might explain why neither Dumbledore nor Voldemort has kids. At
least that we know of so far. Not that RL XXYs are always sterile,
but they often are.


Finally, the original commenter replies to Riley's avoidance of the issues, and it's ALL downhill from there, folks.

[Riley]>To be honest, the Blaise-plot is, IMNSHO, close to being wrapped up:
>she's put Malfoy in his place, after all--- the remaining issues
>(except for the Claws-plot, which is going on sabbatical until
>HErmione's sixth year after maybe [now] two more chapters) are all,
>oh joy, in Hermione and Snape's court.

[Lara or Kathy to Rlley. Sorry, I don't remember.]I don't know if what I'm saying is coming through clearly, because I'm
starting to feel that you think what I'm saying is a bunch of ignorant
garbage.

I don't dislike these chapters because they make me feel uncomfortable.
These chapters make me feel uncomfortable, which I don't like. I
didn't dislike these chapters, didn't even dislike the characters..
I just don't agree with what they did.


More of how the author wants to pimp her beliefs and prozelytize:

> [Anonymous to Riley] I appreciate that the storylines all had to be
> neatened up, but
> I'm hungry for Sev/Herm interaction! Please don't
> put the denouement
> off again! Teasing is all very well, but...
>
[RILEY SEYZ TEH HELL!--]

Sorry. It's got to be held off until I can be certain
that I'm communicating menaingfully on the
psycholgical topics.


Blaise the Strega!Barbie, Hermione, & Yet Even More Slytherin Eugenics:

[Darkrose]Hermione's passivity in that discussion didn't bother me nearly as
much as it did during an earlier conversation, however. For the
record, that was the point at which I went from finding Blaise
annoying (I'm sorry, but having my first introduction to her consist
of her staring into the mirror going on about how gorgeous she is was
a major turn-off) to actively wanting to drop-kick her off a high
cliff.

The exact quote is:

"Magical eugenics was another favorite topic of the Slytherin
contingent, all of whom held that a little new blood was a good
thing, though (much to the shock of the Gryffs) they maintained that
Muggle-borns should breed only with each other for a generation or
so "to make sure the wizarding genes prove out" as Florian and Catlin
said (in tandem). "


Re-reading this, I have two reactions. The first is that it makes me
rather nauseous. The second is that it may be unfair for me to
entirely blame Blaise for this, since the directly quoted part is
actually attributed to the twins. However, since I don't see the
twins as much more than ciphers (Catlin is Ron's love interest;
Florian is BZ's love interest/lapdog; and their only distinguishing
characteristics are the finishing each other's sentences thing which
got real old real quick for me) I can't imagine them saying anything
that would be contrary to Blaise's opinion.

So let's examine that statement: Muggle-borns, i.e. people like
Hermione, should only breed with other Muggle-borns, as opposed to
purebloods, i.e. people like BZ, the twins, and the Weasleys, for
that matter. Oh...and Snape.

"Sure, I'll be friends with one, but I wouldn't want my cousin to
*marry* one."

Even if you don't buy my theory that the pureblood/mudblood dichotomy
is JKR making a direct parallel to racism, that's really fucking
offensive.

And Hermione's response? She's "shocked." If someone who was supposed
to be my friend even implied that I wasn't good enough to be part of
their family, they'd be very sorry very quickly. If I was sitting on
a recent trauma, they'd be picking up teeth for the next few days.
Yet the woman who broke into Snape's office when Muggle-borns were
being attacked, the woman who slapped Malfoy for insulting Hagrid,
the founder of S.P.E.W., is "shocked."

SQUICK.



And it goes on and degenerates into a huge, eight-month-long catfight.

The highlights are the comparisons of strega to neo-nazis, the moral relativism / "I Hate Ayn Rand”" / black-and-white debate, tolerance and Christianity, the whole 'you’re too dumb to get the story or you’d like it' thread. There were several factions that splintered off of WIKTT (one of them was an uber-seekrit list called Pawn To Cunt, where the snark flowed swift and long). And of course, there were South Park references.

[Redone?] *whaddaya mean, "give himself over"???????? dont u
> listen? when confronted by strega, people tend to pay
> attention. also, he was raised by strega- not a very
> nice one, either. im absolutely positive that
> somewhere in there, its explained that growing up
> around strega teaches u greater respect for her.

[Darkrose replies.]

You will respect my authoritah!




This was a good one (two months after the kerfluffle started, mind you...)

[Either V Worley or Unstonz_2000 or some other sycophant] I guess the moral to this is if you don't like the fic no-one's twisting your
> arm, holding a gun to your head and saying "Read it of die!" If you don't
> like emotionally realistic complex stories you won't like it. If all you
> want is a fluffy fic, or a smutty fic, or a parody go read what you like, but
> don't complain to Riley that you didn't like her fic because it's too complex
> and you had to think.

[Darkrose] And now we get to the heart of it. "You're just not bright enough to get
it." I think I've made my issues with PtQ fairly clear and I don't
need to repeat them. I will admit to being amused that someone could sit
through discussions touching on comparative ethics, psychology, religion
and genetics, and come away thinking that anyone here has a problem with
complex issues.


In trying to extricate ourselves and calm the author down, we only dig ourselves in deeper. Yeay! Godwin’s Law!

[Riley] I repeat, we have not seen the whole of that set of relationships.
> And Lucius, taken in the whole context I gave him, including "A
> Softer Darkness" is NOT a stereotype. Hell, he's not a pure
> stereotype in PtQ--- he does have family loyalty.

[Damiana] And Hitler had great patriotism and greatly supported the arts, yadi
yadi. Doesn't change that he was fundamentally an evil person. Call
the trappings good, but the core is *still* rotten, and "family
loyalty" does not redeem a rapist. Sorry. I *do* deal in moral
absolutes *most* of the time and have no problem with them.


Or how about this? :D

[Guinevere of Northgalis] Don't leave because of criticism. By posting, you'll
invite comments on both ends of the spectrum, agree
ment AND disagreement. No one has yet said simply, "It
sucks," and I sure as hell will swoop down on THEM if
they do.

That said, I still feel as if Ayn Rand is creeping up
from behind me somewhere in here, and I don't feel
good about that. Or the fact that Christianity as a
faith was clumped in with the same verdict as Naziism
(note the difference between religion, which imposes
traditions, laws and power structures of a patriarchal
nature on people with no regard to the actual
scriptures at all, and faith, with is without a
denomination in many cases and only serves to
understand what the bare scriptures are saying). After
all, the Hand of Glory, the invisibility charms and
much of the magic used in Harry Potter is
Judeo-Christian in nature, and that Paganism is not
Wicca in the series, nor does it always signal a
feminist movement. But that's another issue. Just
commenting on your comments on the comments on the
replies to the comments...


From the Festering Bog of Eternal Stench That Was Riley's Shadow came other wanks:
· The "Witchfics.org Mods Are Elitist Bitches With Largely Overrated Fics" Wank
· The "Textual Sphinx Needs To Get Over Herself And Not Respond To Crit By Daring Us To ‘Rewrite Her Stories & Make The Metaphorical Web Fucking Tighter’" Wank
· The "OMG RAPEFIC!!!!!1!" Wank
· The "Strega of Borg" Non-Authorized Parody Wank
· The "Now That Homophobe Gotsnape’s Invaded My NEW Yahoogroup! GROAN*" Wank

And many, many more.




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Historical wank!
[info]telesilla
2003-10-27 08:24 pm UTC (link)
I have heard bits and pieces about this whole kerfluffle before but never in such detail. It looks pretty wanktastic.

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Re: Historical wank! - [info]mrsparkle, 2003-10-27 08:30 pm UTC

[info]cesare
2003-10-27 08:55 pm UTC (link)
This looks like a fun one, but I was having trouble following your summary-- I'm not sure which quoted bits were Riley's replies. Is it just me?

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(no subject) - [info]mariagoner, 2003-10-27 10:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mrsparkle, 2003-10-28 05:56 am UTC

[info]ingrid
2003-10-27 09:08 pm UTC (link)
Zabini

Is it wrong that I keep seeing Zamboni (that iceshaver they ride around hockey rinks)?

Also, is there a name for authors who abandon their plot for endless diatribes regarding weird personal agendas/philosophies halfway through their series?

AnneRiceitis, maybe?

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(no subject) - [info]calluna, 2003-10-27 10:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mirabellawotr, 2003-10-27 10:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-10-28 12:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mirabellawotr, 2003-10-28 12:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]snacky, 2003-10-28 06:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-10-30 09:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2003-10-28 03:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mirabellawotr, 2003-10-28 06:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nekoneko, 2003-10-28 01:46 am UTC
Re: - [info]mirabellawotr, 2003-10-28 01:48 am UTC
Re: - [info]nekoneko, 2003-10-28 01:57 am UTC
Re: - [info]mirabellawotr, 2003-10-28 02:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]picot, 2003-10-28 03:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sistermagpie, 2003-10-28 08:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-10-28 06:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dorothy1901, 2003-10-27 11:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-10-28 02:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]backfromspace, 2003-10-28 02:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lots42, 2003-10-28 12:49 pm UTC
The gender issue that wanked - (Anonymous), 2003-10-28 05:46 am UTC
Holy Swiss Cheese...
[info]terminal_frost
2003-10-27 09:38 pm UTC (link)
Oh maaaaaaan...

And to think I was only scratching the surface last night...

Duuuude...

Even now if you mention Riley's name you're 99.8% guaranteed to get a discussion going.

It was that profound.

(In a way, I'm kind of glad all this happened last year; else I'd've been chased off BEFORE I even got started.)

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Re: Holy Swiss Cheese... - [info]resmiranda, 2003-10-27 09:56 pm UTC
Re: Holy Swiss Cheese... - [info]terminal_frost, 2003-10-27 10:30 pm UTC
Re: Holy Swiss Cheese... - [info]resmiranda, 2003-10-27 10:55 pm UTC
Re: Holy Swiss Cheese... - [info]resmiranda, 2003-10-27 11:02 pm UTC
Re: Holy Swiss Cheese... - [info]terminal_frost, 2003-10-27 11:15 pm UTC
Re: Holy Swiss Cheese... - [info]resmiranda, 2003-10-27 11:22 pm UTC
Re: Holy Swiss Cheese... - [info]panthea, 2003-10-28 01:32 am UTC
Re: Holy Swiss Cheese... - [info]alpheratz, 2003-10-28 06:00 am UTC
Re: Holy Swiss Cheese... - [info]panthea, 2003-10-28 06:26 am UTC
Re: Holy Swiss Cheese... - (Anonymous), 2003-10-28 06:02 am UTC
Re: Holy Swiss Cheese... - [info]panthea, 2003-10-28 06:28 am UTC

[info]rebeccasama
2003-10-27 09:55 pm UTC (link)
The HP fandom seriously needs a gold medal for wank or something.

Wanktastic. Surprised the mods allowed the wank to fester and boil for so long on the list, though. I do think you should post a few bits from some of those other wanks from the Bog of Eternal Stench ;) They sound so amusing and it's nice to have a break from the Aja/Stacy/CC/everyone-in-the-bloody-fandom wank for a bit.

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(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2003-10-27 10:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-10-28 12:55 am UTC

[info]resmiranda
2003-10-27 10:01 pm UTC (link)
HAHA, you are so right. The SS/HG section of the fandom is about fifty times more wanky than the rest of the het fandom. (H/D is still beyond words, though.)

But wait! You forgot how half the WIKTT list unsubbed and some went off to start their own group! That was really pretty. Granted, at that point I was an ickle "can't we all just get along" newbie when I came into the fandom a month later, but even then I was just, like *BOGGLE*.

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(no subject) - [info]terminal_frost, 2003-10-27 10:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]resmiranda, 2003-10-27 10:50 pm UTC
Re: - [info]terminal_frost, 2003-10-27 10:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]resmiranda, 2003-10-27 10:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]terminal_frost, 2003-10-27 11:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]resmiranda, 2003-10-27 11:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-11-04 09:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mrsparkle, 2003-10-28 06:02 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]mrsparkle, 2003-10-28 06:17 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-12-23 01:10 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-11-04 10:03 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2003-10-27 10:22 pm UTC (link)
That actually caused me pain. I haven't felt pain like that in awhile.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-10-28 05:43 am UTC
Okay! (OMGWTF I WANT AN ICON!!!!!!111!) - [info]mrsparkle, 2003-10-28 06:25 am UTC
ATTENTION ALL ICON MAKERS - (Anonymous), 2003-10-28 07:19 am UTC
<b>HA!</b>
[info]darkrose
2003-10-27 10:25 pm UTC (link)
I was there. Not only was I there, but I was a major contributor. This:

Even if you don't buy my theory that the pureblood/mudblood dichotomy
is JKR making a direct parallel to racism, that's really fucking
offensive.


was one of my early posts. And you know--I stand by everything I said, namely that Blaise was the Mary Sue from Hell, that Riley's strega were a bunch of castrating bitches, and that pussy!Snape was an irritating angsty prat, and...and...and...

And initially, all I did was say that I didn't like the new chapters because Blaise seemed to have taken over the story, and the character seemed a little out-of-control. Had I only known that this comment would be the genesis of some classic wank, I would have put more thought into crafting a real flame.

A couple of notes:

one of them was an uber-seekrit list called Pawn To Cunt, where the snark flowed swift and long

Actually, it was Pawn to Crap, and it was a private list so that a few of us who got run off WIKTT could bitch among ourselves. After about a month, the list had mostly turned into a beta list for the five or six of us, until it was finally consumed my the wankfest of Hogwarts Online.

The "Strega of Borg" Non-Authorized Parody Wank

Heh. I still have people asking me when I'm going to finish "Steel Lion." There was some truly classic wank there, much of it generated by me quoting from a lawsuit against my company.

The "Now That Homophobe Gotsnape’s Invaded My NEW Yahoogroup! GROAN*" Wank

She was insane, but deeply amusing for about five minutes.

And now we get to the heart of it. "You're just not bright enough to get
it." I think I've made my issues with PtQ fairly clear and I don't
need to repeat them.


This pretty much summed it up. Instead of saying, "Thanks for your input," in response to criticism that was initially very polite and well-intentioned, Riley felt the need to argue and explain to all of us who didn't think the new chapters were brilliant. Worse, many of her supporters began insisting that the dissenters were too stupid or shallow to "get it." I was especially amused when I was told that I obviously only liked fluffy happy fics, and I couldn't deal with anything that dealt with complex themes.

What you left out was the eventual ending, where Riley posted a few more chapters, including what has to be the least erotic sex scene I've ever read, ("Power power blah blah control blah blah Snape has a tiny dick blah blah power control...") and then declared that she was abandoning her 100+ chapter epic.

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Re: <b>HA!</b> - [info]terminal_frost, 2003-10-27 10:38 pm UTC
Re: <b>HA!</b> - [info]darkrose, 2003-10-27 11:33 pm UTC
Re: <b>HA!</b> - wolfie_thu, 2003-10-28 02:42 am UTC
*gasp!* - [info]ieatpeople, 2003-10-28 01:12 am UTC
Re: HA! - ataniell93, 2003-10-28 07:05 am UTC
Re: HA! - [info]gaisce, 2003-10-28 08:05 am UTC
Re: HA! - [info]bitca, 2003-10-28 04:35 pm UTC
Re: HA! - [info]biichan, 2003-10-29 09:40 am UTC
Re: HA! - [info]darkrose, 2003-10-28 08:09 am UTC
Re: <b>HA!</b> - [info]kannaophelia, 2003-10-28 02:33 pm UTC
Re: <b>HA!</b> - (Anonymous), 2003-11-30 12:23 am UTC

[info]pipssister
2003-10-27 10:43 pm UTC (link)
I counted seven stregas.

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[info]ev_vy
2003-10-27 11:48 pm UTC (link)
Oh, my. To think that I fled WIKTT when the deterioration of the story was becoming directly proportional to the number of squeeing fangirls. *sniff* I missed so much!

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[info]mael
2003-10-28 12:00 am UTC (link)
Wouldn't want to intrude in such a spectacularly well thought out piece of crap fanfiction but...

The Strega (corrupting the word 'striga' from Italian, which means a witch who eats unbaptized infants

She's not corrupting shite. Strega is the actual Italian word for witch. No deeper cannibalistic meanings there. Striga is the medieval spelling, not a variant.

Also, she says Blaise's Italian? Well then she's decidedly the wrong gender. The Italian for Blaise is Belasio (Latin = Belasius) which is MOST DEFINITELY male.

/wank

Sorry, no Italian!Sues. Please. I'd rather hoped we were immune.

*wails*

(These spooge wars are the reason I'm glad my interest in Snape/Hermione has remained purely intellectual and very, very</> theoretical)

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onion
2003-10-28 12:01 am UTC (link)
I don't know about y'all, but I'd rather relive some classic *gasp* Het! HP wank than have to make do with Aja/Stacey/Ivy/CC/Libertine/who gives a flying...you get the point. You can't live on the same wank forever.

There is also the ConventionAlley 'vision' wank waiting in the corners, for a bit of air wank time. However I lack the time or inclination to do it, for now at least.

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(no subject) - [info]meril, 2003-10-28 07:53 am UTC
(no subject) - onion, 2003-10-28 02:16 pm UTC

[info]necronomist
2003-10-28 12:14 am UTC (link)
HG/SS is my het ship (I have yet to get a slash ship in HP, but I am really, really leaning toward a certain wolf and dog), but I never read PtoQ. I obviously made the right choice.

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(no subject) - [info]shoiryu, 2003-10-28 06:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2003-10-30 04:05 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2003-10-28 02:07 am UTC (link)
Since I rather like PtQ, I have to rush in, guns blazing, to defend the story, in true wanktastic fashion.

The months long fight was obviously a classic wank, but I don't think it's fair to dismiss the fic itself as wank, which your post essentially does. It's obvious that you dislike the story, hell, you've described it in such insulting terms that I don't recognize it as the PtQ I read.

I've long thought that part of the reason the discussion blew up so spectacularly, was the notion that PtQ "was supposed to be a serial/novel/thing-monster encompassing 100 or so chapters of Hermione and Snape smut". The thing is? It was never supposed to be a 100 chapter smutfic. Riley wanted to deconstruct the teacher/student fetish and turn it on its head. Being a huge fan of Cherryh's Cyteen and the character Ari Emory, she saw a way to do this, with a kind of radical, socially violent feminism.

The strega were a tool, a way to equalize Snape and Hermione, outside of normal social rules. Snape had all the power in the relationship, no matter how she looked at it, so Riley gave Hermione something to fight him with. Hermione was fighting to be Snape's equal, but she also had to fight the temptation to abuse that power. Blaise was an example (like Cherryh's Emory), who didn't resist that temptation as well as she should have. You weren't necessarily supposed to like her. I suspect she wanted to get people thinking, but only succeeded in offending many.

It's easy to understand why people didn't like the Blaise character, or the strega, or even the ideas Riley was playing around with, but it's a bit asinine to dismiss it all as proselytizing. Riley isn't Blaise, and she definitely isn't the fic, you know?

That said, while I really appreciate what Riley was trying to do, and I do rec the fic because it's a damn interesting read, I hated the Snape characterization. Part of his 'pussyness' was a result of the Cherryh influence, with Snape being conflated with the character of Justin. But give a character a history of psychological and sexual victimhood, then add two (arrogant as fuck) teenage girls with a lot of power... there aren't many other places to take the story, when you're already restricted by certain specific goals. Regardless, I do think her Snape was OOC by the time she stopped posting chapters.

I would never suggest that people who dislike the story are too stupid to understand it. After all, it's not so complex a story that most readers couldn't pick up on the themes and ideas Riley was trying to establish. I do think that some people aren't reading for the kinds of things that Riley is interested in talking about, so every time she goes on about Blaise and strega, some readers are going to be bemoaning the lack of SS/HG smut. I know I missed it. -.-

The really sad part of all of this, is that something that's really irrelevant in the scheme of things turned into such a huge (and stupid) fight, causing people to break into splinter groups, and the author to pretty much leave the fandom, because she couldn't take the stress. Rather than "Just pure Fic Gone To Hell", this wank boils down to some people liking a fic, some people disliking a fic and an entire ML behaving moronically. To a certain extent, people stopped relating to PtQ as a piece of fiction, and treated it as propaganda.

Well that was an unnecessarily long post. *slinks off*

- MartianHousecat (blackfall on lj)

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(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2003-10-28 02:31 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-10-28 03:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2003-10-28 05:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]th1rdpartyimpax, 2003-10-28 08:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2003-10-29 10:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - ataniell93, 2003-10-28 07:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2003-10-28 08:05 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-11-04 10:18 am UTC
P2Q - just crap - (Anonymous), 2004-02-23 03:49 pm UTC

[info]backfromspace
2003-10-28 02:23 am UTC (link)
I am outraged!

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(Anonymous)
2003-10-28 03:01 am UTC (link)
her fannish adoration of C.L. Cherryh's Cyberteen

You mean Cyteen, I think. Cherryh's bioengineering/psych-manipulation planet.

I hear ya. I love Cherryh's grasp of intrigue and politics but her equations of "all (but especially strong competent women) women = bitches and all men = wimps" drives me nuts. Only in Rimrunners did it make sense; the heroine was a stranded Earth Marine in essentially enemy territory, and the male love-interest had been left in the brig without the necessary drugs for hyper-space jump once, leaving him a little ... unraveled, shall we say.

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(no subject) - [info]lemone, 2003-10-29 07:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]azarias, 2003-10-30 06:30 am UTC

[info]pyratejenni
2003-10-28 03:16 am UTC (link)
Florian... Catlin.

Florian? Catlin?

Florian? Catlin?

She used the character names from the goddamend book?!?!


That's it -- I need more codeine.

*goes to lie persuade on call doc to refill her cough syrup 'scrip.*

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(no subject) - [info]exdee, 2006-06-22 12:47 am UTC

[info]melannen
2003-10-28 04:21 am UTC (link)
Came to the fandom long after this was over, but am glad to learn the whole story. Thank you yet again f_w, never-ending fount of fandom knowledge!

So basically, the whole thing can be summed up like this?

"Why's the smut gone?"
"One, because it's a vile fic, and turned even the most respectable men into complete pussies; two, the political agenda was over a thousand feet high. An entire contingent of fangirls was looking out for it; do you think there's the slightest chance they won't wank it?"
"But why's the smut gone?"

I quite liked PotQ, myself, but then I have a thing for strong OFC's and swishy men.

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(no subject) - [info]lcsbanana, 2003-10-28 05:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]melannen, 2003-10-28 06:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2003-10-28 11:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]melannen, 2003-10-29 01:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mustbebunnies, 2003-10-28 06:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]melannen, 2003-10-28 06:49 am UTC
ICOOOOOOONNNNN!!!! - [info]arabel, 2003-10-28 01:26 pm UTC
Re: ICOOOOOOONNNNN!!!! - [info]terminal_frost, 2003-10-28 10:40 pm UTC
*dies* - [info]melannen, 2003-10-29 01:52 am UTC
Re: *dies* - [info]arabel, 2003-10-29 04:21 am UTC
Re: ICOOOOOOONNNNN!!!! - [info]siegfriedwanks, 2003-10-29 02:59 am UTC
Re: ICOOOOOOONNNNN!!!! - [info]dontgiveahoot, 2003-10-29 12:22 pm UTC
Re: ICOOOOOOONNNNN!!!! - [info]arabel, 2003-10-29 02:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-10-29 01:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]melannen, 2003-10-29 02:07 am UTC

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Re: Uhuh - [info]melannen, 2003-10-29 03:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2003-10-29 07:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]melannen, 2003-10-30 07:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2003-10-30 12:03 am UTC
saucy detail
(Anonymous)
2003-10-28 05:20 am UTC (link)
Since Riley's a card carrying member of Mensa, most SS/HG shippers are too dumb to get it.

have balls, will wank

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Re: saucy detail - [info]mrsparkle, 2003-10-28 06:14 am UTC
Re: saucy detail - [info]mirabellawotr, 2003-10-28 06:31 am UTC

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*lightbulb clicks on* - [info]mrsparkle, 2003-10-28 09:31 am UTC
Re: saucy detail - [info]azarias, 2003-10-30 06:19 am UTC
Re: saucy detail - [info]parlance, 2003-10-31 11:46 pm UTC
Re: saucy detail - [info]darkrose, 2003-10-28 06:26 am UTC
Sarcasm love - (Anonymous), 2003-10-28 07:24 am UTC
Re: Sarcasm love - [info]darkrose, 2003-10-28 07:53 am UTC
Re: saucy detail - [info]meril, 2003-10-28 07:57 am UTC

[info]elfy
2003-10-28 05:55 am UTC (link)
strega-sense

Is that... is that like spidey-sense?

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(no subject) - [info]mrsparkle, 2003-10-28 06:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]elfy, 2003-10-28 12:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]parabolic, 2003-10-28 09:07 am UTC

[info]lulinda
2003-10-28 06:08 am UTC (link)
Oh, lawdy. My first toe dip into fanfic was with SS/HG and I started PtQand just got zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, lost like the plebe I am. I mean, between the strega, and Super!Blaise, and those annoying twins and the snake thing wih rollerskates!11!!...

Yeah, I just want p0rn, thnx.

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(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2003-10-28 06:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lulinda, 2003-10-28 06:25 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-10-28 09:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-11-01 07:56 pm UTC

[info]darkrose
2003-10-28 06:09 am UTC (link)
[Darkrose replies.]

You will respect my authoritah!


Oh my dog. That was me, wasn't it? Imagine, I had even less of a life than I do now.

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(no subject) - [info]mrsparkle, 2003-10-28 06:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]telesilla, 2003-10-28 07:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]fandom_bitch, 2003-10-28 08:31 am UTC
*blushes and hides* - [info]darkrose, 2003-10-28 10:30 pm UTC

[info]lulinda
2003-10-28 07:28 am UTC (link)
The "Witchfics.org Mods Are Elitist Bitches With Largely Overrated Fics" Wank

Anyone got the scoop on this?

Witchfics was the first HP site I ever visited. *sniff*

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(no subject) - [info]mrsparkle, 2003-10-28 09:57 am UTC
Is it just me...
(Anonymous)
2003-10-28 07:40 am UTC (link)
Or does everyone else find Riley's Goodbye Note (http://www.witchfics.org/riley/ptq/sundown.html) incredibly long-arsed and self-centred? And finally, the ending (http://www.witchfics.org/riley/ptq/newbits/ptqintro.html) which is basically a "pity-me" Authors Note.

Shaz

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Re: Is it just me... - (Anonymous), 2003-10-28 09:14 am UTC
Re: Is it just me... - [info]limyaael, 2003-10-28 04:30 pm UTC
Re: Is it just me... - [info]bitca, 2003-10-28 04:42 pm UTC
Re: Is it just me... - (Anonymous), 2003-10-30 10:02 am UTC
Re: Is it just me... - [info]topgallant, 2003-10-29 10:21 am UTC
Re: Is it just me... - [info]iczer6, 2003-10-29 11:10 pm UTC
Re: Is it just me... - (Anonymous), 2004-02-21 07:20 pm UTC

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Re: Fascinating - [info]mrsparkle, 2003-10-28 09:59 am UTC
Re: Fascinating - (Anonymous), 2003-10-29 12:25 am UTC
Textual Sphinx - [info]mrsparkle, 2003-10-28 10:14 am UTC

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-11-04 10:33 am UTC
Wanktastic Response - (Anonymous), 2003-12-22 05:01 pm UTC
Re: Wanktastic Response - (Anonymous), 2003-12-22 05:03 pm UTC
Re: Fascinating - (Anonymous), 2003-11-02 12:13 am UTC
Re: Fascinating - (Anonymous), 2003-11-02 03:10 am UTC
Re: Fascinating - [info]darkrose, 2003-11-02 06:17 am UTC
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