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mary ([info]massromantic) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2003-10-28 13:45:00


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Current mood:annoyed

vintage highlander wank
My first wank post! I'm so pleased.

This one's pretty old, but it's on my list of wankiest wanks of all time. And the first time I realized Some Fen Are Just Batshit Crazy (And Not in the Fun Way.) (Yes, I know, I'm slow.)

The wank took place on the yahoo!groups list critical_edge, a list for 'serious' Highlander fanfiction discussion. It gets on the wanky side regularly, but the real fun happens when the list is trolled into oblivion. It can be found in the group's message archives - practically all messages between 5164 and 5328 are related to it. I think you have to join the list to read the messages in their entirety, but I'll post the juiciest parts here anyway. *g*



It all starts when somebody posts a now-defunct link to a story's foreword (it's a genfic called "Mutant", I believe, and amusingly enough is a Highlander/X-Files crossover) that's almost as long as the story itself. It rambles on about how slash is EVOL and spews bitterness in the general direction of all slash fen. Here's a really choice quote: "Second: There is NO slash. It does not exist, either in my real world or in my fictional universes -- it is not truth. Don't look for it, don't expect it, don't try to see what's not there. Look up the word 'agape' -- ah-gah*-pay -- in the dictionary and don't darken my door again until you know what it means. End of subject."

Oh, and this bit from the same author (who goes by "judith hill") reminds me of the reaction to this group a bit, actually: "For the flamers in the crowd -- you know who you are, and so do I. ...the ones with the stones in your hands, the ones crying, "Burn the witch!" ...You revel in the travesty of slash but wouldn't say 'shit' if your mouths were full of it. ...I am a shark. If you badmouth me, I WILL know about it. And I write better than you do -- flame me and the blood in the water will be yours."

There is a brief debate about whether the message is funny or frightening. (I'd say a little of both, personally.) The author steps in to say she "doesn't get into pissing contests" and discussion wanders off in another direction for a while.

But then a list member accuses the list of bias against any stories that aren't slash: "You're getting just a little taste of the backlash. If you don't like it that hot, then you shouldn't have boiled the water before you jumped in." She also questions why people are spending so much time discussing the zero post, my favorite hallmark of self-eating wank. The same poster also misses the "wank is its own reward" memo and complains that story discussion without the author present isn't constructive. People pretty much just mock.

Then the story's author compares the listmembers to chickens with their feathers flying, and like all angry fanfic authors, says that the discussion has been "very entertaining!" to her and tells the other posters to grow up. She also pulls the classic wank prop of anti-crit people everywhere: you're not writers! How dare you critique *me*?

She also takes exception to crit because it's rude to complain about "a gift." in the words of the author herself: "Don't we call the ability to create 'a gift'? Do you think that means a gift only to the 'gifted'?" She also claims she's gotten *many, many* private e-mails from lurkers on the list that agree with her. Funny how that works out...

Oh, and she then claims that slash is an "insult" to not only a character's creators, but also to the *actor* that plays the character. I'm sure you can imagine how well that went over.

After a (very brief) period of calm, the author lets loose a truly classic list-quitting bitch-fest that personally insults pretty much everyone that argued with her, from the mods to people who posted one-line questions. There's even a veiled death threat: "You quoted the Talmud to support your views on slash?! How dare you! Don't go quoting the Torah as well, now! You do remember the old punishment for blasphemy, don't you? I'll be tossing the first rock! And about slashing Joe: You bitch! Joe is a creation of Jim Byrnes. You insult the haracter, you insult the creator of that character and thus the man -- or woman."

I'm all nostalgic now. *sniff*



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[info]dae
2003-10-28 09:04 pm UTC (link)
Okay I joined just to read... *unsubs*

No bad wank... I like the phrase 'If you think critique is what you do on this list the you're all drowning in your own wet dreams' Fap fap fap fap fap

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[info]nitro
2003-10-28 10:02 pm UTC (link)
I have absolutely nothing to add to this, other than AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

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[info]machiavellian
2003-10-28 10:13 pm UTC (link)
That's hilarious. My favorite line is "And I write better than you do -- flame me and the blood in the water will be yours". That should be an icon...it sort of sounds like an Old Testament Threat, and you know we need more of those.

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[info]sorchar
2003-10-28 10:18 pm UTC (link)
Bloooooood in the water
Wank in the sky!

/seventies rock moment

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[info]maryavatar
2003-10-28 10:45 pm UTC (link)


Heh.

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(no subject) - [info]maev_connacht, 2003-10-28 11:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]maryavatar, 2003-10-29 12:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]maryavatar, 2003-10-29 12:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]panthea, 2003-10-29 01:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]machiavellian, 2003-10-29 02:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]maryavatar, 2003-10-29 03:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]massromantic, 2003-10-30 02:44 am UTC

[info]soleta
2003-10-28 10:36 pm UTC (link)
YES. I knew there was Highlander wank somewhere. I, like a fool, was looking on the official site's messageboard.

*luxuriates in wank*

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Sure does take me back . . . (nostalgic sniff)
(Anonymous)
2003-10-29 12:36 am UTC (link)
Ahh, HL fandom . . . the first fandom I ever joined. Critical_edge . . . the first fandom mailing list I ever quit . . .

Where was I? Oh, yes. I can assure you from personal experience, there is HL wank.


Maureen Lycaon (http://www.livejournal.com/users/maureenlycaon/)

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Re: Sure does take me back . . . (nostalgic sniff) - [info]massromantic, 2003-10-30 02:26 am UTC

[info]endoftime
2003-10-29 04:16 am UTC (link)
There is much sweet, sweet Highlander wank, but most of it is locked away on members-only lists.

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[info]oxydosic
2003-10-28 11:33 pm UTC (link)
Does that mean that Connor and Ramirez never made hot sweaty immortal love? I'm so disillusioned!

*goes to find Connor/Ramirez slash*

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[info]calluna
2003-10-29 01:35 am UTC (link)
There is NO slash. It does not exist, either in my real world or in my fictional universes -- it is not truth.

WTF? So homosexuality is just an urban legend, eh? The people claiming to be gay are just faking it?

Then again, he did say "my real world". So maybe he has some other world other than this one where everybody's straight?

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[info]gaisce
2003-10-29 01:38 am UTC (link)
Look up the word 'agape' -- ah-gah*-pay -- in the dictionary and don't darken my door again until you know what it means.

I love how she uses the Greek term for innocent love, since the Greek civilization was the biggest proponent of slash (well, man/man...poor Sapho wasn't held in high regard).

Her stupidity is amusing.

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[info]panthea
2003-10-29 01:58 am UTC (link)
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SEX*

*Unless it makes babies!**
**Dude. Does that mean Immortals can't ever have sex? Since they are, after all, sterile?

I am baffled by love how she's applying "agape" as a blanket definition for all same-sex relations and only same-sex relations. As in, "I spiritually love my lesbian girlfriend."

At least, I would if I had one.

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(no subject) - [info]endoftime, 2003-10-29 04:18 am UTC
GIP - [info]hakainokami, 2003-10-29 10:21 am UTC
Re: GIP - [info]massromantic, 2003-10-30 03:05 am UTC

[info]musette
2003-10-29 01:57 am UTC (link)
Wait but you mean Duncan and Methos didn't actually have a "I love you I hate you lets shag" relationship? My world, it's crushed!!

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wizzard
2003-10-29 02:40 am UTC (link)
You do remember the old punishment for blasphemy, don't you? I'll be tossing the first rock!

I'm getting Life of Brian images here.

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(no subject) - snowball, 2003-10-29 10:48 am UTC

tocomfortyou
2003-10-29 02:51 am UTC (link)
There is NO slash. It does not exist, either in my real world or in my fictional universes -- it is not truth.

Bet you five bucks she's in the Queer As Folk fandom now.

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(no subject) - ataniell93, 2003-10-30 01:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]diamonde, 2003-10-30 03:16 pm UTC

[info]kannaophelia
2003-10-29 03:05 am UTC (link)
That was definitely worth joining the list for. HP may wank more, but the older fandoms have a special quality all their own.

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[info]necronomist
2003-10-29 03:57 am UTC (link)
"Look up the word 'agape' -- ah-gah*-pay -- in the dictionary and don't darken my door again until you know what it means. End of subject"

Uh-huh, and I'll bet she doesn't know what 'pedastry' means. Oh well, when someone works their soapbox that hard about the EVAL of one fic or another, I back away slowly.

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(no subject) - [info]musette, 2003-10-29 04:08 am UTC

[info]endoftime
2003-10-29 04:14 am UTC (link)
Ahh...vintage wank. Those were the days. Whatever happened to dear Judith anyway?

She was so mockworthy.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-10-29 12:24 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2003-10-29 04:31 am UTC (link)
It's Highlander A-Go-Go! "There is no slash. Duncan MacLeod was found alive and well and of normal orientation eighty miles away."

Emily (http://www.livejournal.com/users/mysticpenguin)

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-10-29 05:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]massromantic, 2003-10-30 05:17 pm UTC

[info]eljuno
2003-10-29 05:07 am UTC (link)
There is NO slash. It does not exist, either in my real world or in my fictional universes -- it is not truth. Don't look for it, don't expect it, don't try to see what's not there.

Dammit, I didn't expect for this icon to be anything like appropriate so quickly...

And, in other news...

You revel in the travesty of slash but wouldn't say 'shit' if your mouths were full of it.

What the shit is that supposed to mean?

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(no subject) - [info]lunchbox, 2003-10-29 08:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]topgallant, 2003-10-29 10:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rinoared, 2003-10-29 05:07 pm UTC

[info]virago
2003-10-29 05:49 am UTC (link)
There is no spoon slash.

Loving the biblical tone here. Nice.

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(no subject) - [info]rinoared, 2003-10-29 05:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]virago, 2003-10-30 02:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2003-10-29 07:52 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2003-10-29 11:34 am UTC (link)
Joe is a creation of Jim Byrnes. You insult the haracter, you insult the creator of that character and thus the man -- or woman.

Jim Byrnes is insulted by slash? This is the same potty-mouthed Jimmy Byrnes who does a very cute, camp double act with Peter Wingfield at cons and who will cheerfully point out the salacious bits, slashy or not, in the episodes he's in? Wow, he's a really good actor!

I think we're dealing with yet another fangirly who can't tell the difference between the performer and the character they play. Or possibly just a homophobic psycho tossing death threats around because someone's fucked with her twisted world view.

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(no subject) - [info]endoftime, 2003-10-29 04:16 pm UTC

[info]rinoared
2003-10-29 05:20 pm UTC (link)
Others have already pointed out the utter ridiculousness that is the reference to agape. But somehow, that and the freakish homophobia here, make my religious-bigot bells ring like crazy. I know I used to hang around a certain religious group that absolutely loved using Greek words for love (I still remember them all) and happily ignored the rampant pederastic overtones.

*invites the fire and brimstone her way*

BTW, in my world, the gay is emerging everywhere. Wonder what's the world she lives in? Oh yes, in her head.

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[info]moljn
2003-10-29 06:26 pm UTC (link)
Also, the story? V. v. slashy.

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(no subject) - [info]endoftime, 2003-10-29 06:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]moljn, 2003-10-29 08:55 pm UTC

[info]lasultrix
2003-10-30 08:22 pm UTC (link)
*dies*

Looks like my icon doesn't apply retrospectively.

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