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	wickedcherub 2003-10-29 05:30 pm UTC (link)
	Hahaha. But they invoke TBQ's Law of "I know someone who's gay, therefore I'm not homophobic!" So much feeling in such a little wank! sigh (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	ingrid 2003-10-29 05:43 pm UTC (link)
	"I have gay friends." Okay, there has to be a law that covers this one. There has to be! (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	msmongi 2003-10-29 06:11 pm UTC (link)
	Do you WANT me to get pissy about it? Well, the pissier you get the more I can laugh, so personally, yes, please get pissy about it. (Reply to this)

	coreopsis 2003-10-29 06:15 pm UTC (link)
	Would YOU like it if someone who didn't even know you did that to you? Then, put it all over the internet for other people to read, true or not? And which law is that again? I love how predictable antislash/antiRPS people can be. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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nitro
2003-10-29 06:18 pm UTC (link)

Nope, I'm anti-slash all the way. With the books, with the actors, the whole nine yards. If some people like it, that's fine, but I don't want my face rubbed in it.

I feel you, man; I have the same thoughts about het. It's all over the internet, you can't escape it. I mean, if that's your thing, fine, but do you have to be in my face with it all the time? I say sexuality should be private. I mean, I don't rub my gay in your face, except when I shamelessly share PDA with my partner and create media that portray homosexuality as the only normal or acceptable option. I mean, I'm not heterophobic or anything - one of my best friends is straight! I just don't like to be constantly reminded of the things you people do, what with your vaginal penetration and whatnot.

Also, if it weren't for straight people, diseases like pregnancy wouldn't be such a problem in today's society. It's a fact.

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limyaael
2003-10-29 06:20 pm UTC (link)

*sits on hands*

SO tempted to go over there and say that the only reason I started reading slash (in the X-Files fandom first, then in HP and LOTR) was because I got so curious what all the slashophobes were whining about that I went and read it. Yeah, not every story is a treasure, but then, tell me that every hetfic or genfic is a treasure and I will laugh in your fucking face.

Dude, when you whine, you only make people curious what all the fuss is about.

But...

*sits on hands*

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sarajayechan
2003-10-29 06:28 pm UTC (link)

I'm getting sick of the Slash vs No Slash crap. I hate idiots who scream that all slash is icky and all slash fans are morons or horny whiny fangirls, and I hate slash-whores who scream "HOMOPHOBE!" if you say one negative thing about their pet couple or think their bishie would be better off with a girl. I'm an avid fan of yaoi, yuri, slash and femslash, but I know how to live and let live. I'll only get nasty if someone is rude to ME first.

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iamtheenemy
2003-10-29 06:50 pm UTC (link)

I saw this too the day it all happened and considered posting it here. I was so tempted to respond to some of the stuff they were saying, because, dude...

For instance:

1) Some computers (mine included) are slow and it takes forever anyway to download the friend's list, much less pictures.

Although, it should be noted, she doesn't seem to have a problem with having to wait for her computer to load, you know, every single other picture that is on that main page. *sigh*

Some of us don't care for thousands of fangirls squealing about how "Orlando Bloom is soooooo hott" but we put up with it anyway.

Um, has this chick not seen the slash girls gush over Orlando? It's more like "Orlando Bloom is sooooo hott with Viggo," but it is fundamentally the same thing, and just as obnoxious.

very obviously non-gay actors that play

Not to go all tinhat on you guys, but when I see two men touching tongues, I don't necessary think Gay! Homo! Queer! But I certainly don't think "very obviously non-gay" either.

And slash? I can only think of two reasons why anyone would be upset by it:
1. They are absolute purists to the real story.
2. They are either homophobic or uncomfortable about their own sexuality.

ACK! Bad! You don't get to represent us anymore! Bad! Stop talking!

Yes, some call it "the price of fame" but, there is also the thing about respecting humanity as a whole.

OMG, it's a slash story, call the Humane Society!

I have gay friends...

People have already touched on this, so I won't bother. Ugh.

I am by NO means homophobic or uncomfortable with my sexuality. I have absolutely nothing against anyone that is homosexual. It's not for me, but if it floats someone else's boat, then good for them.

I love this one. I think it's my favorite. There are some that seem unable to grasp the concept of homosexuality. People are born gay just like they're born straight. It is not something they do because they're bored. So ridiculous. It's like saying "I have absolutely nothing against being black. It's not for me, but if it floats someone else's boat, then good for them." PEOPLE DON'T CHOOSE TO BE A CERTAIN SEXUAL ORIENTATION, IT'S WHO THEY ARE!

Stupid, stupid people. This argument has been driving me up the wall for the last 3 years.

Steph

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sanguinary
2003-10-29 07:08 pm UTC (link)

This would be the reason why I ship OT3's for the most part. Then I get the best of both words (the het and the slash) without as many psychos to deal with.

I've gotten into fights with anti-slash people, and I've gotten into fights with anti-het people, and in the end they all just sound like giant idiots, especially when they start into the "I'm not homo/hetrophobic, I have friends who are gay/stright and they say that they think pushing this stuff in people's faces if icky too!" argument. Everyone should shut up, havo dad and just deal with it.

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melange
2003-10-29 07:57 pm UTC (link)

What I love is how these rabid anti-slash people believe that a slashy interpretation somehow ruins or degrades the text. Like, saying that Sam and Frodos relationship might have had a sexual component means that their relationship was purely sexual, and that the hot gay sex just removes all the depth, and meaning from their interaction.

Which is when I call bullshit. Because, honestly? I'm sure that if a man and a woman went through something traumatic (or whatever other situations that a slashy interpretation ruins), they would find it perfectly plausible that the two might fall in love. And I doubt that many of them would think that the physical aspect of this het relationship would cheapen the emotional ones.

I'm also getting tired of the idea that people dislike slash because they're homophobic. I'm sure that some people who dislike slash are, in fact, completely homophobic. But 'some' isn't 'all', and I think it's actually damned unfair to make that accusation.

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	threesixoh 2003-10-29 08:23 pm UTC (link)
	They just don't feel they should have to their faces rubbed in it. Oh, man. tries incredibly hard not to touch that one with a bargepole (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	deja wank meril 2003-10-29 08:47 pm UTC (link)
	If they have to wank, they need to make it unique. "Slash is icky"...seen it. "RPS is creepy and immoral"...not again. The original start of this particular wank: "LJ-cut pictures! LJ-cut spoilers!"...that, my friends, is the wank that powers LiveJournal. (LJ must be powered by wanking; that explains the server outages.) (Reply to this)

	megolas 2003-10-29 08:50 pm UTC (link)
	I think the funniest thing about that wank is the manip that started it all off. Frodo looks like his head is about to spin 360 degrees while he projectile vomits pea soup. ... Man, I'd hate to be on the other end of that kiss. the power of domlijah compels you! (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	sporky 2003-10-29 09:20 pm UTC (link)
	I don't get it. Why is it necessary to accuse people who don't like slash of hating gay people? Theoretically you could get someone who avoids online slash, but at the same time completely supports equal rights for gays. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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rebeccasama
2003-10-29 09:23 pm UTC (link)

I haven't read much of that list, but how can posting a pic from ROTK and calling it slashy be 'rubbing someone's face in slash'? It wasn't a photomanip of them shoving their tongues down each other's throats. What's the deal? I guess I just don't get it.

Anyway, there are plenty of places on the 'net for people who don't want to read slash to go. And there are a lot of communities that allow both slash and het content (I actually own one, and people get along very well).

I've seen this argument quite a few times (especially when a non-slasher wanders unawares into a group that welcomes it) and it's getting old. If I was anti-slash I could easily avoid most of it on the net.

This reminds me of when some people bitched on a list of mine because they ignored the SLASH warning on a fic, they ignored the NC-17 label and ohmigod!!! Two MEN were DOING IT! You should never have exposed me to that!! I didn't know what SLASH meant! HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT AN NC-17 FIC LABELED BOROMIR/ARAGORN MEANT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE SEX?!?!?!?! EWWWWW GROOOOSSSSSSSS etc, etc, etc.

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	virago 2003-10-29 09:26 pm UTC (link)
	>> You see women doing those things all the time, and no one screams "They're gay! Let's write a whole lot of slash fiction about them! >> ...damn. ;) (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	palabradot 2003-10-29 09:42 pm UTC (link)
	Heh. A lot of the time with pairings, het OR slash, I find myself looking at the book/show/whatever the characters came from, and wondering "When would they have TIME to...." Gundam Wing's one of the ones I find most guilty of that problem, even though I love many of the fics that come from it. And LOTR's right up there too... (Reply to this)(Thread)

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(Anonymous)
2003-10-29 09:55 pm UTC (link)

I've got to say, I'm seeing the wank on both ends of the spectrum. Not just in the "slash is everywhere eww icky!!!1" side, but in the "You don't like slash? Then either you're a canon whore, a homophobe or a prude."

Slash versus het needs a modified version of the Lamb Chop ending theme:

This is the wank that never ends
Yes, it goes on and on, my friends
Some people
Started threads on slash not knowing what it was
And now we'll all be wanking on forever just because
This is the wank that never ends

Et al, etc etc etc.

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	elfy 2003-10-29 10:43 pm UTC (link)
	Am just skimming cause I'm supposed to be studying for my exam in 50 minutes (and it takes me 25 minutes to get to Uni too grin), but has Ginmar popped up in that discussion yet. I know s/he's been mentioned here... (Reply to this)(Thread)

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terminal_frost
2003-10-29 11:39 pm UTC (link)

Can I just say...

...that I know this person (jenngamgee)? Because I do.

And the "canon purity" never entered their anti-slash arguments. The whole "it's against God's word" did. (I remember hearing/reading that part when they gave their opinion on slash/homosexuality.)

Ironically, they were/are thinking of taking up witchcraft - which is SO "against God's word". But not so "against God's word" that they should never even consider taking up the athame.

*snerk*

PS: They were as wanky back in January (when I last spoke with them) as they are now.

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	arien 2003-10-29 11:52 pm UTC (link)
	This has very little to do with the wank in question, but can I say that those icons with the little movie clips in them are REALLY fucking annoying? They were nifty when they first came out, but now practically every LOTR fangirl has at least one. (Yours isn't bad though, Sagralisse; at least it looks a little different.) I don't know why they annoy me so much. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	I'm so proud! [sniff] (Anonymous) 2003-10-30 12:26 am UTC (link)
	My widdle community got wanked! [beams] I have to say that when I discovered the whole wanky thing last night, I really had to fight the urge to tell everyone to shut the hell up about it. It's been argued fifty million times before. At least it's entertaining. [g] Eil, journalfen-less (marvelgirl on lj) (Reply to this)

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	Sing it with me everyone! o/~ 1,235,436,567th verse same as the first, a little bit louder and a little bit wooooorse o/~ (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	azarias 2003-10-30 02:53 am UTC (link)
	Does anyone else think that the picture that started the whole wank is about the least sexy thing going? Frodo looks sick, not lustful, and Sam looks like he's checking Frodo for parasites. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	darkrose 2003-10-30 03:52 am UTC (link)
	Actually, my favorite part of that wank is the "No spoilers!" Because that picture gives away so much, yes, it does, my precious... (Reply to this)(Thread)

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