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Rinoa Redcloak ([info]rinoared) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2003-11-02 23:19:00
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Current mood:Fan-Fucking-tastic

An older cross-anime fandom wank!
This is old (in Internet time), but since I just found it...

Now anime fans can be scary. One of the most scary fandoms is the one for CLAMP's X/TB. And be the fandom small or large, if it's anime, the snark and the elitism is bound to come up. How about... when someone notices "similarities" in two animes?

The wanky parts in quick play: Even the first message points out that indeed, many animes use same plot devices!
How many series are there were the 'innocent young hero sees evil villain murder and is horribly cursed' anime are there?
Well, probably a lot, but that's besides the point...

The other similarities pointed include: The use of shikigami and ofuda! The purple and green eyes of the leads! The flinging sakura! One fake eye of the bad guy! (Ok, that last one is a bigger coincidence, but still they're different.) And the best: The picture of the lead character having a cross-shaped scar on his cheek!

OMG That's so totally a ripoff!!

Now, if YnM is the show that wanted to be X, is the fandom also following the footsteps of the Big Snarky One?

I should hope so.

*is addicted to snark*


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[info]rowan
2003-11-03 12:29 am UTC (link)
Waitaminute, they're quibbling over the use of windblown flower petals?! Something that shows up in every single anime featuring a bishounen within a hundred miles of a cherry tree?

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[info]dawnswalker
2003-11-03 01:02 am UTC (link)
Next they'll be screaming over how all anime boys with wings have to molt their weight in in feathers. Or how every bishounen has to look as gay as possible.

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(no subject) - [info]shoiryu, 2003-11-03 01:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rowan, 2003-11-03 01:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2003-11-03 07:12 pm UTC

[info]harukami
2003-11-03 01:05 am UTC (link)
OT.

BEST KILLUA EXPRESSION EVAR.

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(no subject) - [info]rowan, 2003-11-03 01:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]harukami, 2003-11-03 01:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rowan, 2003-11-03 01:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]harukami, 2003-11-03 09:31 pm UTC
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[info]rinoared
2003-11-03 07:48 am UTC (link)
Exactly! That's beautiful, be-yoootiful anime wanking right there!

Oh, but don't forget gratuitious blood licking!

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(Anonymous)
2003-11-03 01:00 am UTC (link)
Admittably, that one picture of Tsuzuki is rather suspiciously like some of Kamui.

However. There is one very important question that needs the be asked here. Why the hell does it matter? They're both good series in of their own rights, so what if there are some vague similarities between Seishirou and Muraki or what have you.

...Well, alright. There's one decent reason...this (http://www.katana-space.net/Forum/Clampesque/Messages/1019255822.871776) fic, which amused me greatly ^^

-Cocoa

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[info]rinoared
2003-11-03 07:51 am UTC (link)
Maybe that one pic does. The WTF? comes when one knows that that pic was only a publicity illustration, done for a little fan service.

And you're damn right about that fic! It's very funny ^___^

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[info]shoiryu
2003-11-03 01:06 am UTC (link)
Yeah. The Dreams of Sakura board? Pure, absolute wank.

I've never seen Yami No Matsuei, but I've read the manga a bit, and I like it. I'm involved in the X fandom. There are a few similarities, but, um. First of all, sakura are in EVERY GODDAMN ANIME EVER. They're significant to the Japanese. Ofuda? Used in several different types of eastern magic and religions.

Luckily, Aeanagwen has some common sense. And she puts it rather nicely. So, yeah.

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[info]iczer6
2003-11-03 02:21 am UTC (link)
I've always felt that YnM had more in common with the works of Kaori Yuki, not CLAMP. [Though I enjoy them both.]

Ever read Count Cain? That and the YnM artist seems to favor the highly detailed style of Ms. Yuki.

Er putting the tissues and baby oil away now. I think above poster makes a good point Yami and TB are basically similar genre's aimed at the same audience. And jeez you can't go feet feet in anime without smacking into a cherry tree, even the ones that take place in space.

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[info]rinoared
2003-11-03 08:15 am UTC (link)
Yep, I'm a fan of both but I'm not active in the X fandom. And the shows, apart from those little details (sakura etc) that are important in Japanese culture and staple acts in any shoujo manga, there's really nothing else in common. The genre is the same, but the experience of watching/reading is totally different.

Accidentally, I found this on Aeanagwen's lj.

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[info]delfeus
2003-11-07 07:10 pm UTC (link)
Umm... what's this X thing? Never heard of it. I like Yami, though.

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[info]calluna
2003-11-03 01:32 am UTC (link)
Ah, more people who can't tell the difference between "coincidentally similar to" or "inspired by" and "they ripped it off!"

Which is why I never mention the word Hamlet to certain Lion King fans...

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[info]ereshkigal
2003-11-03 03:42 am UTC (link)
Why bother when you can just mention Kimba and they'll work themselves into a frothing orgy of wank, and all the effort it takes you is typing out the name.

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[info]rinoared
2003-11-03 07:55 am UTC (link)
OMGWTFBBQ??!

The Lion King?

I think I'll go drown myself for the stupidity of mankind.

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[info]virago
2003-11-03 04:19 pm UTC (link)
Oh, forgot to mention: WORD.

that is all.

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[info]smo
2003-11-03 02:52 am UTC (link)
The picture of the lead character having a cross-shaped scar on his cheek!

So, they both ripped off Rurouni Kenshin?

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

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[info]shoiryu
2003-11-03 03:56 am UTC (link)
Trigun ripped off RK, and I can prove it on a piece of paper.

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(no subject) - [info]rowan, 2003-11-03 04:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rinoared, 2003-11-03 08:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2003-11-03 04:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rowan, 2003-11-03 05:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dawnswalker, 2003-11-03 06:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]shoiryu, 2003-11-03 06:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2003-11-03 06:46 am UTC
wank mode: on! - [info]virago, 2003-11-03 07:35 am UTC
Re: wank mode: on! - [info]shoiryu, 2003-11-03 01:18 pm UTC
Re: wank mode: on! - [info]virago, 2003-11-03 04:21 pm UTC
Re: wank mode: on! - [info]smo, 2003-11-03 04:42 pm UTC
Re: wank mode: on! - [info]shoiryu, 2003-11-04 06:19 am UTC
Re: wank mode: on! - [info]smo, 2003-11-04 06:53 am UTC
Re: wank mode: on! - [info]spooks, 2003-11-04 09:47 pm UTC
Re: wank mode: on! - [info]smo, 2003-11-04 10:19 pm UTC
!!! - [info]virago, 2003-11-04 11:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2003-11-03 06:44 am UTC

[info]gaisce
2003-11-03 08:29 am UTC (link)
At first cursory glance I thought it was wank based on someone seeing "similarities" in Tokyo Babylon and X.

Then I read the wank.

Now I want to go back to the idea that it's just someone who didn't know CLAMP did them both as continuous stories.

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[info]phosfate
2003-11-03 07:15 pm UTC (link)
OMG Cardcaptor Sakura = total ripoff of X!!!!!!!!!

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(no subject) - [info]dawnswalker, 2003-11-04 06:17 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2003-11-03 11:41 am UTC (link)
One fake eye of the bad guy! (Ok, that last one is a bigger coincidence, but still they're different.)

OMG!!!! SPIKE SPIEGEL IS MURAKI !!!!!

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[info]shoiryu
2003-11-03 01:19 pm UTC (link)
One eye sees the past. The other eye RAPES CHILDREN.

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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2003-11-03 04:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-11-03 07:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2003-11-03 07:44 pm UTC
Blasphemy! Someone doesn't know Mister Oriya! - [info]rinoared, 2003-11-03 08:08 pm UTC
Re: Blasphemy! Someone doesn't know Mister Oriya! - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2003-11-03 08:13 pm UTC
Re: Blasphemy! Someone doesn't know Mister Oriya! - [info]smo, 2003-11-03 08:40 pm UTC
Re: Blasphemy! Someone doesn't know Mister Oriya! - [info]smo, 2003-11-03 08:41 pm UTC
Re: Blasphemy! Someone doesn't know Mister Oriya! - (Anonymous), 2003-11-03 08:54 pm UTC
Mmkay, Tatsumi the Pimp then? - [info]rinoared, 2003-11-03 09:02 pm UTC
Re: Blasphemy! Someone doesn't know Mister Oriya! - [info]virago, 2003-11-03 09:19 pm UTC
Re: Blasphemy! Someone doesn't know Mister Oriya! - [info]virago, 2003-11-03 09:20 pm UTC
Re: Blasphemy! Someone doesn't know Mister Oriya! - [info]smo, 2003-11-03 09:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rinoared, 2003-11-03 09:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2003-11-04 12:32 am UTC
Re: Blasphemy! Someone doesn't know Mister Oriya! - [info]iczer6, 2003-11-04 02:07 am UTC
Re: Blasphemy! Someone doesn't know Mister Oriya! - [info]smo, 2003-11-04 03:16 am UTC
Re: Blasphemy! Someone doesn't know Mister Oriya! - [info]iczer6, 2003-11-04 09:54 pm UTC
Re: Blasphemy! Someone doesn't know Mister Oriya! - [info]smo, 2003-11-04 10:19 pm UTC
xDD
(Anonymous)
2003-11-03 11:57 pm UTC (link)
lmao. And next we're going to get some jizz about how Muraki is a Sephiroth (FFVII) rippoff, since we all know that Matsushita is a FFVII fan (At least enough so that she put random FFVII characters in the backgrounds of various scenes). ==;; That whole thing is total wankage. *fwap fwap fwap* ^_____^;;
The only real part of that whole TB/YnM accusation that even makes real sense is the villain thing, and I've seen so many molesty-evil villains that that's just plain silly. The one-eyed thing? Well, anyone recall a certain character named Farfello from another anime I shall not name? xDDD
All things rip other things off - there's an actual literary element known as the archetype that speaks of how this occurs very often in storylines and character designs. Just because two stories use modifications of certain archetypes means nothing at all. Maybe it's intended as a homage? I mean, it's no where near as much a ripoff as some things that come to mind. xD
*cough* Eva - Xenogears *cough*
^___________________^;;
And what's the matter with ripoffs? Isn't immitation the sincerest form of flattery, after all?

-Kaiser-chan

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Re: xDD
(Anonymous)
2003-11-04 09:33 pm UTC (link)
And what's the matter with ripoffs? Isn't immitation the sincerest form of flattery, after all?

Plagiarism tells me that you love me, I always say.

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Re: xDD - [info]iczer6, 2003-11-04 10:01 pm UTC
It's all about the molesting, smoking, one-eyed murdering gay doctors :P
[info]majinkarp
2003-11-04 02:45 am UTC (link)
Ah, Sakura Board. They're right up there with Fiction Alley for me in terms of wanky amusement. What a novel idea on their part! *gasp* Surely no one's ever thought to compare the two series before. Now I have my own problems with Matsushita's writing style, but for that person to suggest that she so blatantly ripped off one of the most well-known mangaka teams out there without considering that anyone would notice is a tad insulting to her. And if you look beyond the whole "murder under the sakura" thing, the two series aren't really that similar far as shoujo manga go.

Still want me to write that essay though?

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Re: It's all about the molesting, smoking, one-eyed murdering gay doctors :P - [info]rinoared, 2003-11-04 08:24 am UTC
Re: It's all about the molesting, smoking, one-eyed murdering gay doctors :P - [info]virago, 2003-11-04 11:49 pm UTC
Re: It's all about the molesting, smoking, one-eyed murdering gay doctors :P - [info]majinkarp, 2003-11-05 02:17 am UTC

[info]blargbot
2003-11-04 10:36 am UTC (link)
Personally, I wish that it was the other way around and CLAMP was copying YnM. X could use some oral sex scenes.

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Re: - [info]rinoared, 2003-11-04 11:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]blargbot, 2003-11-04 11:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]shoiryu, 2003-11-04 07:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]blargbot, 2003-11-05 02:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]shoiryu, 2003-11-04 07:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2003-11-04 09:58 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2003-11-05 04:23 pm UTC (link)
This thread has been better than a group hug!

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