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	laymedown 2003-11-13 09:59 am UTC (link)
	Dammit. Could you possibly put this behind an lj-cut, for those of us who are trying to avoid RotK spoilers? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	rogue 2003-11-13 11:30 am UTC (link)
	How's that a spoiler? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ruaha56 2003-11-13 11:55 am UTC (link)
	Of course it's a spoiler. It's like... spoiled the entire damned movie. How dare they spoil this for us? ShriekFumeFaint (Reply to this)(Parent)

	rowan 2003-11-13 06:30 pm UTC (link)
	Well, it would imply that certain scenes from the books requiring Saruman's presence (like, oh, the failing silver tongue of Saruman in the ruins of Orthanc, or the scenes at the veryvery end of the book) wouldn't be in the movie. That's the only way I can think of that it could be a legitimate spoiler. (dammit, I wanted those scenes in the movie. oh well.) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	phosfate 2003-11-13 06:46 pm UTC (link)
	(Nobody mention that the King returns!) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	dae 2003-11-15 12:56 am UTC (link)
	sporfles herself to death (Reply to this)(Parent)

	rama_snark 2003-11-15 03:41 am UTC (link)
	ELVIS?! Yippee! (Reply to this)(Parent)

funkyhelix
2003-11-13 07:04 pm UTC (link)

I could. If I thought it was a spoiler. But I don't. So suck it up.

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	raisedbyhyenas 2003-11-13 08:19 pm UTC (link)
	You go, girl. (Reply to this)(Parent)

diamonde
2003-11-14 01:08 pm UTC (link)

Um, it says that Saruman's many and important scenes in ROTK/the end of TT are not in the movie. So for all of us who actually read the book, it's a movie spoiler. Whether you care or not, it would still be polite to cut it and give people the option to avoid it.

I could. If I thought it was a spoiler. But I don't. So suck it up.

If you want to debate whether it's really a spoiler, fine. There's no call to be a fuckhead about it.

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funkyhelix
2003-11-14 06:02 pm UTC (link)

So is fuckhead a technical term or what for the politeness police?

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	diamonde 2003-11-15 08:33 am UTC (link)
	No, it's just a word for someone who's being a brat. There are a lot of people who don't like spoilers and if you post them without a warning that's considered bad fannish behaviour. Learn to deal with it without wanking all over my screen, please. lj-cut takes two seconds and saves us all some spooge. (Reply to this)(Parent)

sagralisse
2003-11-13 09:23 pm UTC (link)

That wasn't a spoiler. Spoilers are stuff like:

- Frodo gets bitten by a big fucking spider and almost dies
- Faramir almost dies but is healed by Aragorn
- Denethor commits suicide
- Arwen gets Narsil reforged and Elrond brings it to Aragorn
- Eowyn dresses like a one of the Rohirrim and sneaks Merry into the battle where the two of them battle and defeat the WiKi.

Like that.

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funkyhelix
2003-11-13 09:53 pm UTC (link)

Hahahahaha. Too funny. You rock.

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	sagralisse 2003-11-13 10:14 pm UTC (link)
	Thank you! Your compliment warms the ashy void where my heart used to be. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	phosfate 2003-11-14 12:38 am UTC (link)
	The WiKi? From Buck Rogers? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sagralisse 2003-11-14 01:01 am UTC (link)
	That's my favoritest geekiest abbreviation of all time. It's the Witch King of Angmar, 1 of 9, the Nazgul in the middle. You know, the one that looks good in black. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	phosfate 2003-11-14 05:21 am UTC (link)
	Ah. Gotcha. "Bidibidibidi -- Bagginsssssss... Shiiiirrrre..." (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	valarltd 2003-11-14 11:36 pm UTC (link)
	Pardon me while I show my age and laugh my butt off (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	phosfate 2003-11-14 11:42 pm UTC (link)
	I gotta watch it or I'll start making Fantastic Journey and Man from Atlantis jokes. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ataniell93 2003-11-20 08:09 am UTC (link)
	God, I loved Fantastic Journey when I was 13. I still have somewhere this big drawing of Varian that my best friend did for me. Man, I thought no one else ever watched that. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	phosfate 2003-11-20 04:33 pm UTC (link)
	Are you kidding? Freakin' lived for that show. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Sporfle! anglinsbees 2003-11-17 09:44 am UTC (link)
	Coffee exits nose and hits keyboard!!!!! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	rama_snark 2003-11-15 03:53 am UTC (link)
	WHAT?! I suppose next you'll be saying that the Ring actually gets destroyed. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	elfy 2003-11-15 10:57 am UTC (link)
	GASP No shit?! Little Frodo and his gay lover actually make it as far as Mount Doom? boggles By reading all that Frodo/Sam fanfic out there you'd think they'd get sidetracked eventually, flick the ring off to Gollum and just get down and dirty... (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sagralisse 2003-11-15 05:34 pm UTC (link)
	Oh yeah, and the Ring gets destroyed so that the world is not covered with Shadow. I forgot that part. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	bunny 2003-11-13 04:00 pm UTC (link)
	There's a whole world outside Lord of the Rings out there called Earth. I am sure there is a law for someone typing a long post on a fannish topic that ends with the poster telling the "obsessed" fans to get a life. And if there isn't, then the poster is still a hypocritical idiot. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	virago 2003-11-13 04:27 pm UTC (link)
	I LOVED that post. All it needs is "You're all nerds, you nerds!" or maybe "I bet Hitler liked Lord of the Rings!" So lovely. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Aye! ruaha56 2003-11-13 04:36 pm UTC (link)
	Kerianne's Law of Dramatic Irony In an online debate, the first person to accuse his opponent of spending too much time on the Internet and/or invite his opponent to "turn off your computer and go outside" automatically loses the argument, and should be subsequently forced to turn off his own computer and go outside. Works for this one. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Aye! sagralisse 2003-11-13 09:36 pm UTC (link)
	Actually he also said Jesus, people, take the grip off the ten-sided die and take a breath of fresh fucking air, so the law would definitely apply. But I still think that post rocks. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Aye! smo 2003-11-14 04:22 pm UTC (link)
	It's the "ten-sided die" part that sells it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Aye! ruaha56 2003-11-14 08:31 pm UTC (link)
	Where can I get a ten-sided die? I want one! Please!! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Aye! sagralisse 2003-11-14 10:58 pm UTC (link)
	20-sided dice used to come in the starter sets for Dungeons and Dragons. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: Aye! (Anonymous) 2003-11-14 11:09 pm UTC (link)
	I have too many ten-siders. They're all purple. Want one? -josie (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Aye! darkrose 2003-11-15 01:52 am UTC (link)
	You once played White Wolf, didn't you? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: Aye! darkrose 2003-11-15 01:54 am UTC (link)
	Any gaming store. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: Aye! bunny 2003-11-14 10:11 pm UTC (link)
	This post would have been more appropriate for the "bastardisation" wanker; the metafilter posters weren't really all that obsessive or wanky over Saruman and Lord of the Rings to justify the "There's a whole world outside Lord of the Rings out there called Earth." comment. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	rowan 2003-11-13 06:28 pm UTC (link)
	Crap, now I feel the urge to be wanky. NO. Must... not... wank... aaargh... think of the Extended Edition... breathe Okay then. (Reply to this)

sagralisse
2003-11-13 09:43 pm UTC (link)

I liked this exchange...

"as much as I love Christopher Lee, I think he's coming off pretty sanctimonious here"

Chrsitopher Lee loves the LOTR books like no one else in the cast. According to him, he's read the trilogy once a year for the past 20 years, and served as the Tolkein scholar at hand on many occasions. If he's pissed, it's probably because of the hurt to the story, not to him. You have to admit, it's pretty lame to leave it out of the end of Two Towers because you think it will go better at the start of Return of the King, but then leave it off the start of ROTK because it really did belond at the end of TT after all. [snip] posted by John Smallberries at 6:31 PM PST on November 12

Reread it every year for decades?

Sheesh. Someone needs to tell him about Amazon. There are lots of books out there. He doesn't need to keep reading the same one over and over and over.
posted by crunchland at 6:36 PM PST on November 12

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	Saruman schmaruman seventy_three 2003-11-13 10:46 pm UTC (link)
	I have it on good authority that not only is there no Elladan/Elrohir twincest in this movie, but that the Hobbits get the only nude action. Where's the outrage and the petitions over that, I ask? It's wrong, I tell you, just plain wrong. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	Re: Saruman schmaruman sagralisse 2003-11-14 01:02 am UTC (link)
	lulinda started a naked Legolas petition a while back. You should ask her for a link. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Saruman schmaruman seventy_three 2003-11-14 05:37 am UTC (link)
	Now, that's what I'm talking about. There has been a shameful lack of nudity in all the movies, and Something Must Be Done. (Reply to this)(Parent)