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Irony ([info]isntitironic) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2003-11-13 09:35:00
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Current mood:annoyed
Entry tags:fandom: harry potter, interrogating from the wrong perspective, lawyerism, mary sues, mary sues don't work that way

Mild Pottersues Wank
Last night's feature on Pottersues was Miss Jessica Kayes, one of those particularly pointless Sues who simply takes Harry's place in a universe where 'The Boy Who Lived' doesn't exist. There are surprisingly many of them. How is this wanky?

Well, for one thing, the author has written seven stories about her Sue's years at Hogwarts, totalling (according to Pottersues) seven hundred thousand words, and as yet unfinished.

For another, said author also devotes an entire web page to explaining why her character is not a Mary-Sue. It's mighty entertaining to watch her try to wiggle out of answering 'yes' through any possible loophole. This young lady would make a hell of a lawyer.

At least the folks at Pottersues are having fun.

And we can't forget the Which Jessicaverse Character Are You? quiz. This author actually thinks her Suefic is that important and that popular.


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[info]rann
2003-11-13 07:52 pm UTC (link)
S-seven hundred THOUSAND words?!?!!?!?!?! o.O YEEZUS KRIPES!
Gotta give the girl respect for... I dunno, devotion to her Sue, if nothing else...

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[info]smo
2003-11-13 08:21 pm UTC (link)
Yaaaay, it's Angry!Lina!

Er, yeah. Topic. That's a scary amount of devotion to an imaginary character, especially one you made up yourself.

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(no subject) - [info]bubba_ray, 2003-11-14 12:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dawnswalker, 2003-11-14 03:29 am UTC

[info]alseides
2003-11-13 07:57 pm UTC (link)
Of course she took Harry out of Harry Potter. He's the star. Her Mary Sue is also the star. There would be a collision, followed by a black hole that would destory all of fandom.

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(Anonymous)
2003-11-14 01:17 am UTC (link)
And with all the stories gone, what on earth would we do?!

//The Gent

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(no subject) - [info]threesixoh, 2003-11-14 06:18 pm UTC

[info]dawnswalker
2003-11-14 03:31 am UTC (link)
"There would be a collision, followed by a black hole that would destory all of fandom."

Hee! An appropriate typo!

Sounds kind of like the Ancient Greeks' theory about the North and South Poles, doesn't it?

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(no subject) - [info]alseides, 2003-11-15 08:44 am UTC

[info]toastandbananas
2003-11-13 08:03 pm UTC (link)
And don't forget the Jessica Kayes YAHOO! GROUP, the Jessica Kayes FORUM and the Jessica Kayes website in general. She's quite devoted to her Sue, yes.

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(Anonymous)
2003-11-13 08:20 pm UTC (link)
And don't forget the Jessica Kayes YAHOO! GROUP, the Jessica Kayes FORUM and the Jessica Kayes website in general. She's quite devoted to her Sue, yes.

Holy crap. I knew about the website, but a Yahoo group AND a *&^%$#@ FORUM?!

It might be a good thing if the author was linked to the Pottersues rant. ::Revs up chainsaw hopefully::

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(no subject) - [info]mariagoner, 2003-11-13 08:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hnks_sockpuppet, 2003-11-14 10:24 pm UTC

[info]sarajayechan
2003-11-16 12:37 am UTC (link)
...

The icon says it all, only replace "post" with "fact". x.x;

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(Anonymous)
2003-11-13 09:18 pm UTC (link)
That website is like a template on how to build a sucky webpage - shit music you can't turn off, mouse trails, hideous clashing colours and layout, crappy animated GIFs.... Just because her page is a huge stinky pile of poo doesn't mean her stories reek - but what are the odds that they don't?

Nice, big healthy ego though. Good to see that in a young lady of discernment.

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[info]mariagoner
2003-11-16 12:50 am UTC (link)
More people could use a bit of humility in their lives.

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(Anonymous)
2003-11-13 09:42 pm UTC (link)
Well, somehow I missed the Quizilla thing when I looked at the site earlier. (I was too busy trying to shake the Sue's name off my cursor. It's...stuck!) The Yahoo! group (and it's 34 members! WTF?) scared me enough. And good lord, it looks like it would take a couple hours to get through that quiz. Girl, your characters absolutely DO NOT warrant that kind of obsessive detail. Pretentious much?

-Sam (sam_chan on LJ)

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[info]dejla
2003-11-13 09:53 pm UTC (link)
My guess is, as an explanation, not an excuse, that she's probably fairly young. I have some sympathy; I can't help it. At her age, I was making the heroes in the books I read into female heroes. Why, I said to myself, should it always be a boy who's going to save the world?

However, I did at least not let anyone SEE what I wrote. And then I had this yearly session where I burned everything in the incinerator, page by page. What can I say? I was young and melodramatic.

And if it were seven hundred thousand words about an original character outside of HP, nobody would be surprised by it. She'd just be a writer. Albeit a beginning, not yet very skilled writer.

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[info]jumble
2003-11-13 11:46 pm UTC (link)
I know what you mean. Some of the godawful stuff I wrote... and I mean, I can't fault her. Seven hundred thousand words? That's damned impressive, even if the whole thing is complete dreck. But like you, I never would have let anyone see what I was writing then. Hell, I don't even let anyone see what I'm writing now, because I'm not yet confident enough in it. It's not the confidence that's bad... it's the unwavering inability to take criticism. Yeesh.

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(no subject) - [info]hyenamummy, 2003-11-14 04:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jumble, 2003-11-14 05:01 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2003-11-13 10:21 pm UTC (link)
How come it's (almost) always the crappiest writers that churn out the highest wordcount?

Oh wait... they don't spend any time on editing, character development, plots, canon consistency and all that other time-wasting shit. Forget I asked

*looks* Cool. you can have a little skull'n'crossbones? Must try

~ Dancing Moon

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[info]bunny
2003-11-13 11:45 pm UTC (link)
How come it's (almost) always the crappiest writers that churn out the highest wordcount?

Are you referring to anyone in particular?

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(no subject) - [info]amandatwop, 2003-11-14 02:46 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]visp, 2003-11-16 06:51 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2003-11-14 06:44 am UTC (link)
As the author of an uberfic WIP with 235,000 words before the midpoint, I can say my verbosity tends to stem from a desire to explore every nook and cranny of the Potterverse as it pertains to my plot. In my defense, I do adhere to canon, proofread, and am in the middle of editing and correcting several inconsistencies I've found.

What this girl is doing, I have no clue. Likely it's just wish fulfillment of the highest order, and I was guilty of that as a teeny, and even into my early twenties. Serious writers grow out of it. She probably won't.

And as others have said, I'm grateful my early stuff has rotted away. It was...pro wrestlingfic*dies of shame*.

Laguer25 on LJ and Snapesupport, La Guera on FA

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(no subject) - [info]rann, 2003-11-14 09:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]isntitironic, 2003-11-14 04:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-11-15 03:45 am UTC
Re: - [info]rann, 2003-11-15 03:54 am UTC

[info]meril
2003-11-14 02:00 am UTC (link)
I thought we weren't supposed to wank those under 18. Unless the Pottersues crowd is being wankier than usual...but still, the extraneous information about the author is wanking someone who can't rightfully come to her defense here.

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[info]isntitironic
2003-11-14 04:25 am UTC (link)
Y'know... I shouldn't be the one to ask, since I have to deal with her in real life now and then... but what impressions have you guys gotten of the size of Pottersues' ego?

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(no subject) - [info]seventy_three, 2003-11-14 05:25 am UTC

[info]feenix
2003-11-14 06:40 am UTC (link)
...Technically, it's still in the right to wank her. The only thing we can't link to is minor journals because of that--it's not so much that we're protecting the sanity of the wittle kiddies, it's more liability with (I believe) Mediawood.

But...hmm...you might have a point...

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(no subject) - [info]guildenstern, 2003-11-14 07:57 pm UTC

[info]amasaglajax
2003-11-14 04:00 am UTC (link)
For some reason it won't let me access the "she's NOT A MARY SUE" page. It says the page doesn't exist. Damnit. And I can't find it on the (shockingly frightening) main page.

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(no subject) - [info]grindelwald, 2003-11-14 04:45 am UTC
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[info]veuki
2003-11-14 05:38 am UTC (link)
Does anyone have her 'Jessica is not a Mary Sue!' page saved? I want to read it and she took it down, arr.

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(no subject) - [info]iamtheenemy, 2003-11-14 06:40 am UTC

[info]gaisce
2003-11-14 11:09 am UTC (link)
Oh god, that's toxic solely for the fact that the quiz used Jennifer Love Hewitt for the physical avatar of this character. It wanks with the power of very bad pop music and poor acting.

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(no subject) - [info]ruaha56, 2003-11-14 03:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]terminal_frost, 2003-11-15 06:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rann, 2003-11-15 11:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]delfeus, 2003-11-14 11:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]amakath, 2003-11-15 01:03 am UTC

[info]iamtheenemy
2003-11-14 07:29 pm UTC (link)
The thing I really have a problem with is that she's writing all seven books at once. Wouldn't that get complicated? And why the hell would I want to read any of book seven if I hadn't found out what happened at the end of book one? How would a reader keep all that straight? It makes no sense.

Steph

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Going Santorum for a second (without the frothy fecal matter):
[info]banal_o_rama
2003-11-15 05:26 am UTC (link)
In my fannier days, I made a MS litmus test for my fandom; this was well before there was one for every fandom ever so I was very original in ripping off Dr. Merlin. I expanded on it quite a bit. The one question I really regretted not adding to it while I was at it was, "Did you really take this test? If yes, add 20 points to your score."

Methinks the wanker doth protest too much.

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Off topic but... - [info]gaisce, 2003-11-15 06:50 am UTC
Heh
[info]tviokh
2003-11-16 09:27 am UTC (link)
She inspired me. :D

I took her quizilla quiz...it sent me to some geocities picture of a mousy looking boy who looked a lot like the actor that played Neville. I don't know what the hell it was supposed to mean, but OTOH, I haven't been able to bring myself to read more than a few lines of her godawful fanfics.

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