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just another stormcrow ([info]sagralisse) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2003-03-31 00:24:00
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Current mood:energetic

If DomLij and Sean Astin were both drowning...
I dunno, this totally looks like wank to me. But I may be too insanely furious about the whole Datalounge idea that Sean Astin is a evil homophobe to be able to judge it properly.

Who should be saved?


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[info]cesare
2003-03-31 08:31 am UTC (link)
I'm too inebriated at present to make the call for wankery, but damn, I love your headline. I laughed, I cried, it was better than Cats.

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Additional links for your perusal
[info]sagralisse
2003-03-31 08:38 am UTC (link)
Lulinda delved into the pit of iniquity and came up with some nice juicy Sean hate. Note the link on the first comment, which lead to....

... a backlash from the anti-Sean-HaTeRZ. Links to these can be found here.

Then Undone calls for whirled peas. (note: I've been informed that this is not wanky. It's included for educational purposes only.)

More kerfluffle available on request. This is a big'un.

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Re: Additional links for your perusal
[info]cesare
2003-03-31 08:44 am UTC (link)
I'm the one who claimed Undone's plea for peace wasn't wanky, over on [info]fandom_lounge. So. That's what I think anyway.

*drinky*

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or
[info]cesare
2003-03-31 10:42 am UTC (link)
Or perhaps I know not whereof I speak. Relevant history provided by [info]mirabellawotr.

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Re: or
[info]sagralisse
2003-03-31 02:42 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, sorry about the sarcasm there... Undone has sort of a mixed reputation. To me her call for peace seemed to be DAB.

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Re: or
[info]combledore
2003-03-31 04:49 pm UTC (link)
DAB?

*is confused*

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Re: or
[info]sagralisse
2003-03-31 05:05 pm UTC (link)
The phrase "disingenuous at best" is used so often in any sort of LJ kerfluffle that it sort of calls for it's own acronym.

(Plus "disingenuous" is hard to spell.)

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Re: Additional links for your perusal
alisalohv
2003-03-31 08:52 am UTC (link)
I am an anti-Sean-HaTeR. Can my life get any better? *laughing*

Oh yeah... and I've been pegged as a troll on DL even though I do NOT go there. *laughing* Apparently my words are turning up over there or someone else has the same sentiment as me. Either way, it's fine with me. Anyone who has a clue about me would know that I would post with my name. I don't care to be anonymous anywhere at all. And I happen to love my name.

But of course, it has to be me over there because there is no one else in this fandom who feels the way that I do.

Yeah. Right.

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Re: Additional links for your perusal
[info]lulinda
2003-03-31 08:57 am UTC (link)
Do you have any ideas as to why the Sean hate started in the first place?

As far as I can tell, he hasn't done anything hateful. But then, I don't believe "insider" posts. Perhaps I need to adjust my tinfoil hat.

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Re: Additional links for your perusal
alisalohv
2003-03-31 02:43 pm UTC (link)
Honestly, there is nothing about what they are doing that you can apply any sort of logic to.

It was recently brought to my attention that by not wanting hateful rumors to be spread about Sean Astin and speaking out about them it means that you are against the Dom/Elijah love. (Never mind that you may have stated in, oh... every post that you've written that you like the idea of Dom and Elijah together and you think it would be a good thing. If they were gay, of course. And they liked one another.)

If you are able to make sense of that equation, I would appreciate it because the person who attempted to teach it to me did a very poor job.

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Re: Additional links for your perusal
[info]sagralisse
2003-03-31 02:52 pm UTC (link)
Sean has committed the horrible crime of being straight, married, clean-cut and pro-army. Plus, even though he's straight he loves the other guys and gives them hugs.

Naturally he's an anathema at Datalounge.

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Re: Additional links for your perusal
[info]cesare
2003-03-31 08:42 pm UTC (link)
I almost didn't even want to click on that, since it's a Free Republic link (those guys are whacked, yo). But I did, and I liked this quote from Sean: "I learned from reading about Vietnam that no matter what you think politically about certain deployments, as a good citizen and a patriot it's your duty to appreciate that there are soldiers using their lives on your behalf as a citizen."

Not, you know, the most eloquent statement ever, but a nice thought.

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Re: Additional links for your perusal
[info]sagralisse
2003-03-31 09:49 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, there seems to be a huge failure to communicate whenever we go into any conflict.

I think that the peace activists have the best of intentions and do represent democracy at work. We should make informed choices about when to go to war. If we send guys out to kill and be killed, it ought to be for something important and not just for big money interests or because of some phantom fear of an ideology different from our own.

However peace activists sometimes want to clump all non-activists together and see them as warmongers. It's sort of a "if you aren't with us you're against us" thing, and usually has no logical basis.

As far as most of the guys in the military, they're just people and they have individual opinions about whether a conflict is just or not. However they know that at some point they have to set aside their personal views and do their jobs.

You'll see a lot of resentment from military families against the peace activists, but I think that's a personal thing. Soldiers are asked to risk their lives, and they do get killed. The risks and the losses are personal to all soldiers and all military families. When they see peace activists saying that lives were risked and lost for an unworthy cause, then it hurts. However worthy the cause, their loyalty is real and they would simply like for that to be respected.

There always seems to be an air of befuddlement on both sides. Peace activists get frustrated that the military guys don't realise that they're trying to save lives all around. The military folk get frustrated that the sacrifices they're making aren't respected. IMO, we could use more people in the middle to help both groups see that there isn't that much difference between them.

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although this deserves a better response than "Well said..."
[info]cesare
2003-03-31 11:41 pm UTC (link)
All I can say is: Well said.

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Re: although this deserves a better response than "Well said..."
[info]sagralisse
2003-04-01 03:41 am UTC (link)
:) Thanks!

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[info]lulinda
2003-03-31 08:47 am UTC (link)
I think they ALL need saving.

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[info]ipomoea
2003-03-31 08:57 am UTC (link)
Except for Fandom Wankers. Because they're all evil and are going to the special hell.

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[info]lulinda
2003-03-31 08:58 am UTC (link)
Of course!

*evAl*

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[info]telesilla
2003-03-31 09:24 am UTC (link)
Oh yay! I'm so looking forward to the special hell.

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[info]cesare
2003-03-31 09:53 am UTC (link)
Sign me up for special hell! Where's my special handbasket?

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[info]lulinda
2003-03-31 10:10 am UTC (link)
Reynold Wrap is making it for us, out of that no stick tinfoil.

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[info]ipomoea
2003-03-31 10:29 am UTC (link)
I've even heard THE PR is sponsoring the trip!

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[info]girl_friday
2003-03-31 02:28 pm UTC (link)
Icon love! *loves* PR is the root of all evil!

/me returns to her little geek!cave.

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[info]sagralisse
2003-03-31 02:58 pm UTC (link)
Takin' the short bus to special hell. Woohoo!

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[info]amandatwop
2003-03-31 06:41 pm UTC (link)
Takin' the short bus to special hell.

With Pippin, no less.

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[info]cimorene111
2003-04-01 02:31 am UTC (link)
icon! icon! hahahhaha. <3

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[info]queerasjohn
2003-03-31 12:43 pm UTC (link)
And there was I thinking that the Evil Pedophile HP Plagiarists were going to the special hell. Is it the same hell, or a different hell? And how about the handbasket?

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[info]gairid
2003-03-31 01:36 pm UTC (link)
Reservations are now being taken to be flung into the Burning Lake in Speshul Hell.

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omgwtf
[info]sagralisse
2003-03-31 05:02 pm UTC (link)
I feel so ashamed that I didn't think of this myself. If you see injustice in the world, you should make it better by cleaning your bathtub.

My apologies to [info]rashiki. I know this is probably one of your friends and she's just trying to make you feel better, but Jebus, that's bizarre.



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Re: omgwtf
[info]cimorene111
2003-04-01 03:24 am UTC (link)
[info]rakshi, but she's gone back and made it protected.

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Re: omgwtf
[info]sagralisse
2003-04-01 06:51 am UTC (link)
Oopsie on the typo.

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Just throwing this out there, but...
[info]esorlehcar
2003-03-31 05:34 pm UTC (link)
Could the difference perhaps be that "Save Our Sean" is firmly tongue in cheek? That the people running the 'campaign' and making the icons are responding to the Sean hate more or less by pointing out the lunacy, not thinking anything they do actually makes a difference in Sean's life, or that Sean need their help?

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Re: Just throwing this out there, but...
[info]mirabellawotr
2003-03-31 05:51 pm UTC (link)
No, Sean really does need my help. His socks told me so.

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Re: Just throwing this out there, but...
[info]esorlehcar
2003-03-31 06:03 pm UTC (link)
*wailing* But... but... Sean's socks said they only talked to me!

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trump
[info]cesare
2003-03-31 09:00 pm UTC (link)
I get my secret messages from Sean's underwear.

Boxers, btw.

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Re: trump
[info]chaya
2003-04-01 05:55 am UTC (link)
Boxers, btw.

YES!

My friend owes me $20.

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Re: Just throwing this out there, but...
[info]sagralisse
2003-03-31 06:10 pm UTC (link)
I was thinking that the difference was that the "Save Sean" folks wanted actual people (LJ users) to stop doing something they are </i>actually</i> doing (talking smack about Sean), while the "Save DomLij" folks want imaginary people (PR devils) to stop doing something that they imagine is happening (oppressing poor DomLij, who are very sad because they can't come out of the closet).

Maybe that's just me.

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Just when I thought it couldn't be done...
[info]amandatwop
2003-03-31 08:06 pm UTC (link)
That makes the most sense of anything I've ever read in connection with Domlij4eva.

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*high five*
[info]cesare
2003-03-31 08:44 pm UTC (link)
YES! Exactly!

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Re: Just throwing this out there, but...
[info]esorlehcar
2003-04-01 12:34 am UTC (link)
That too. :-)

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Re: Just throwing this out there, but...
[info]cimorene111
2003-04-01 02:21 am UTC (link)
and [info]uluiviel, in total jest, hits the nail on the head.

Dom and Elijah must be saved the the evil claws of PR.
Sean must be saved from the wild theories of insane fans.

although she left out the part about imaginary versus real, yeah.

of course, i'm sure anyone there would point out to you that they have evidence!

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Re: Just throwing this out there, but...
[info]sagralisse
2003-04-01 03:46 am UTC (link)
You noticed that too, huh?

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Re: Just throwing this out there, but...
alisalohv
2003-04-01 05:19 am UTC (link)
Bingo.

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Thanks...
[info]rakshi
2003-04-01 01:01 pm UTC (link)
That is so exactly right.

Thank you.

Believe me, neither Alisalohv nor I suffer under any false delusion that we can stop the madness. We were simply trying to make people aware of what was happening over there. Perhaps point out to the DL's spreading this contemptible crap that behavior has consequences.

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[info]mynxkittie
2003-03-31 08:49 pm UTC (link)
I found this kind of wanky.

Dom and Elijah must be saved the the evil claws of PR.
Sean must be saved from the wild theories of insane fans.

As if DomLijah fans are completely sane and have theories with merit. Heh.

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[info]chaya
2003-04-01 05:58 am UTC (link)
Not ALL DomLijah fans are crazy... some of them just think they'd look really sexy together. But most of them... especially the conspiracy theory ones... yeah.

My two cents.

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[info]cesare
2003-04-01 11:48 pm UTC (link)
I try to distinguish the nuts by referring to them as Domlijah4eva fans, as opposed to the sane people who like the DomLijah RPS pairing. But I probably haven't been as diligent about making that distinction as I should.

We should come up with a snappy sobriquet for the hardcore tru believas, because it's an undeserved smear on DomLijah fans AND the Datalounge website when we refer to rumor-mongers using those words. Most DomLijah fans are perfectly sane, even the ones who believe they might really be together, and Datalounge is a huge active site which just has the bad luck to host the DomLijah4eva rumor-mongers' threads.

"Tinfoil hat crowd" is fun, but too long and requires some backstory. Anyone got a better idea?

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[info]sagralisse
2003-04-02 12:11 am UTC (link)
Maybe that question ought to be a new post. This thread's kind of dead.

Good idea though... ::think think::

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you're right...
[info]cesare
2003-04-02 12:12 am UTC (link)
I posted it to [info]dl_anon

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