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Bunny ([info]bunny) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2003-12-13 19:06:00


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Anne Perry wank
It starts with a simple question on the Off-topic board of a romance novel review site: How much do we REALLY want to know about an author?

Unfortunately the poster mentions Anne Perry.



maggie b./BKay disagree on Who had the brick and who has the better sources.

Adele Ashworth calls Anne a "gifted story" teller and gets flamed by Maili for it, with a hearty and wanky "Hell, if I knew that I'd get paid in atoning myself by writing stories about violence, I should have gone ahead in beating that journalist to death for badgering my mum, making her cry, with those questions about the abduction.

Dale responds to Adele with "Well sure she does she is writing from experience. I have read her and find her so, so. I was not impressed. Let's hope that the writing world does not take into their heads to believe that in order to write murder you have to murder. "

Elizabeth wanks with I care that buying a book for entertainment is making a convicted, premeditated murderer benefit directly from the crime she committed. (Her expertise on murder based on real life.), suggest Anne should write about Pygmy goats and drags Roman Polanski into the discussion. The reply from PB? -- Why? You would still be directly supporting a convicted murderer by buying her books on pygmy goats. Why does the mystery angle matter more than the end result?"

Karen calls Anne a killer, Morwen accuses Karen of throwing "the first stone" and advocating death penalties for thirteen-year-olds. Karen assures Morwen that "I won't kill you.

Kerstin mentions Dickens' marital abuse and Margaret Mitchell's porn collection, to which Maili replies with a fairly sensible post, if you don't count the last paragraph:
If anyone murdered a member of my family and proceeded to write murder mysteries, I'd be really, really p****d off. So, choosing to write novels about murders is just about the same as sticking the middle finger up to the murder victim's family. Personally, I hold no respect for anyone who does that. That applies to Anne Perry. Unfair? Not for the victim's family.

Also dragged in Clinton's adultery, Dubya's drug abuse, statements like "I'd never read a romance writer who is a rapist", troll accusations pile up, Pee Wee Herman, Hugh Grant and O.J. Simpson make appearances, Jane Austen was a nympho and it is all Peter Jackson's fault.

It's like LOTR fandom in a way.


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ataniell93
2003-12-14 05:10 am UTC (link)
*sssssssssiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh*

I love Anne Perry's books. I'm not sure how I'm supporting murder when the murder happened long before the books were written. It's not like I'm paying her to do it.

Oh, yeah, she writes about murder.

But all the murderers in her books are a whole lot smarter than she was about it.

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[info]psychofangirl
2003-12-14 05:33 am UTC (link)
Maybe she's learning from her mistakes! HEEHE!

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[info]kookaburra
2003-12-14 05:14 am UTC (link)
I just know that I could enjoy this beautiful fountain of wank if I just knew who the hell Anne Perry was. *slinks off to google*

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[info]lulinda
2003-12-14 05:15 am UTC (link)
Ever see the movie Heavenly Creatures?

She's the one played by Kate Winslet.

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(no subject) - [info]kookaburra, 2003-12-14 05:20 am UTC

[info]psychofangirl
2003-12-14 05:28 am UTC (link)
Hmmmm...I think those upset have a right to be upset. I mean, if someone killed a loved one and then that person becomes a successful novelist, I think it's adequate to say that it's like a slap in the fact to the victim's family. Especially if Perry had no remorse for what she did.

But, it also shows that life isn't always fair. :\

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[info]iczer6
2003-12-14 05:49 am UTC (link)
[But, it also shows that life isn't always fair. :\]

True but I don't know Anne Perry so I can't honestly say if she's sitting there cackling with glee about the murder she commited some years ago.

Just because someone's not starving in the street doesn't mean their life is a bed of roses.

And maybe it's naive but I would like to believe in things like forgiveness and redemption, and that you can royally fuck up but still get a chance to set things right and live a good life.

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(no subject) - [info]psychofangirl, 2003-12-14 08:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ailei, 2003-12-14 04:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]psychofangirl, 2003-12-14 07:25 pm UTC
Re: - [info]ailei, 2003-12-14 07:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]psychofangirl, 2003-12-14 09:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2003-12-15 07:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lcsbanana, 2003-12-14 10:41 pm UTC
Re: - [info]ailei, 2003-12-14 10:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]amandatwop, 2003-12-15 12:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rhi_silverflame, 2003-12-14 11:14 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2003-12-14 01:57 pm UTC (link)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1082919,00.html

I remembered reading this article about her the other day.

I do kind of think the people who are offended are ridiculous though. Yes it does seem rather odd than a convicted murderess make a living writing crime novels. On the other hand since she has been doing it for forty years and has never reoffended obviously rehabilitation worked in her case.

Unless of course the argument is...you've done your time and now being released back into the community. However you may never become a success or make anything of your life because I find that morally offensive. Bye bye. Go forth and reoffend.

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(no subject) - [info]psychofangirl, 2003-12-14 07:24 pm UTC

[info]guinevere33
2003-12-14 06:12 am UTC (link)
I'd never heard of Anne Perry, "Heavenly Creatures," or about the murder case at all. But I must say, it's quite a fascinating stroll through the IMDB boards on the subject! A sample:

Anne Perry doesnt deserved to be respected nor does Hilary Nathan(pauline)
After wot they did u dont kill ur mum just cos ur not allowed to c ur friend anymore!

I dont care how old they were when they did it they shuld have been locked up for ever and the cheek of Juliet getting respected after wot she did she doesnt deserve to get her books published!

IF U TAKE A LIFE U SHOULD GET PUT AWAY FOR THE REST OF UR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!



I HOPE THEY HAVE A HORRIBLE LIFE!

lEZBOS

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[info]psychofangirl
2003-12-14 08:01 am UTC (link)
I hope no one told that guy about how both women are doing great as they're living their dreams! EHEHEEHHEH!!

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[info]kannaophelia
2003-12-15 03:48 am UTC (link)
lEZBOS

That drives me insane... in both sides of the debate, to some people it seems like the important and shocking thing isn't that they brutally murdered that poor woman, but that they might have been girlfriends. That Guardian article... poor Perry, it was suggested she was gay! So much worse than people knowing she's a murderer!

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[info]amasaglajax
2003-12-14 06:13 am UTC (link)
What was with the random Orson Scott Card all up in the middle there?

"He's a bad person."
"Why?"
"Trust me. He just is."
"But I like his books!"
"He's EVIL DAMNIT! EEEEEEEEEVIL!" *froths*
"Well, um... okay, sure... uh... Ionno."

Dude, I love his books... :P

I also loved that movie. ::hems and haws::

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[info]eljuno
2003-12-14 06:16 am UTC (link)
Your icon is sickeningly hypnotic...

*sway*

*sway*

*thrust*

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[info]serai
2003-12-14 06:37 am UTC (link)
Heh. That was probably a Mormon. >:D

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(Anonymous)
2003-12-14 09:15 am UTC (link)
Uhm, I met Orson Scott Card a couple summers ago, and he was really really nice to me. Especially since I was a stuttering fangirl. I don't know why this person thinks he's evil, but it could have just been a bad day.

Sandra (aliceinwonder on LJ)

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[info]leucrotta
2003-12-14 09:15 am UTC (link)
The only blot on Card's 'resume' that I can remember offhand is that he once suggested homosexuals should all be locked up or somesuch. Not sure if that's just rumor though.

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(no subject) - [info]laymedown, 2003-12-14 09:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lcsbanana, 2003-12-14 11:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kannaophelia, 2003-12-15 03:49 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-12-15 04:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2003-12-15 05:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]khirsah, 2003-12-15 08:12 am UTC

[info]split
2003-12-14 11:57 am UTC (link)
http://www.rdrop.com/~half/Creations/Writings/Rants/Rants-OrsonScottCard.html

Oh boy.

Can I still like a writer's work even though I don't agree with his views? I should have expected this from his books though - he is religious all right, inside and out.

This should be a law.

Liking the authors' works /= agreeing with their views.

They should automatically lose an argument if they say that you must think exactly like the authors because you happen to like their works.

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(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2003-12-14 05:54 pm UTC
Re: - [info]split, 2003-12-14 08:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2003-12-15 05:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]embitca, 2003-12-16 12:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]teratologist, 2003-12-14 06:13 pm UTC
Re: - [info]split, 2003-12-14 08:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sagralisse, 2003-12-15 07:06 pm UTC
Re: - [info]split, 2003-12-15 07:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]virago, 2003-12-15 04:47 pm UTC
Re: - [info]split, 2003-12-15 07:45 pm UTC

[info]sagralisse
2003-12-15 07:59 pm UTC (link)
I used to like Card a lot, mainly for the Alvin Maker series, however I stopped reading them when I got the idea that he wasn't going to wrap them up anytime soon.

When I read The Memory of Earth, there was one part that I found rather offensive. When his main characters went out into the desert, the leader decided that they all had to pair off and marry (whether or not they liked their selected partner), and that for women only adultery should be punishable by death. This was presented in a very rational manner as the only way they could prevent their group from self-destructing.

Lovelock seemed to continue that theme of religious communities and colonization. The idea that new worlds would be colonized by ones small-town small-minded nosy neighbors wasn't particularly appealing to me.

Pastwatch I liked. In one part his characters rather blatantly refuse to follow up on their attraction for each other because the task that they take on will prevent them from being married, and sex outside of marriage is, of course, very very wrong. Even as my eyes rolled I still sort of respected them. Plus, the penis piercing part later on made up for it. :D

I can't say that I'd boycott Card or anything, but I haven't bought any of his books in several years. Besides his religious sensiblities being so glaringly different from mine, at times he seems uninspired. Some of his books seem to have been cranked out because he has a busload of kids to feed rather than because he had anything interesting to say. When a writer keeps a series unfinished I can't help thinking that they think of the story as a cash cow rather than a story. Remember people! It's supposed to be beginning-middle-end, -- not beginning-middle-middle-keep-writing-more-middle-until-little-Becky-gets-through-nursing-school-omg-I-died-sorry-there's-no-end.

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(no subject) - [info]embitca, 2003-12-16 12:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2003-12-18 05:14 am UTC

[info]teratologist
2003-12-14 06:51 am UTC (link)
I'd think it'd be more of a slap in the face to the victim's family if she'd stayed in the antipodes and collected dole money. At least this way she's earning a living, and she's not required to be in frequent contact with the public, so she's unlikely to re-offend. In fact, it works out so nicely that I suddenly support the idea of forcing all psycho murderesses to become novelists as a condition of release.

~subliminal advertisement~Of course, if you like her novels but supporting her really bugs you, you can always patronize your friendly local used book store.~this has been a subliminal advertisement~

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[info]iczer6
2003-12-14 06:58 am UTC (link)
~subliminal advertisement~Of course, if you like her novels but supporting her really bugs you, you can always patronize your friendly local used book store.~this has been a subliminal advertisement~

And don't forget the neighborhood library!

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[info]cleolinda
2003-12-14 07:10 am UTC (link)
...

Margaret Mitchell had a porn collection? Where have I been?

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(no subject) - coreopsis, 2003-12-14 07:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sorchar, 2003-12-14 10:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2003-12-14 05:56 pm UTC

[info]singe
2003-12-14 08:13 am UTC (link)
What the shit...oh! It's a person suckling a piglet.

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(no subject) - [info]bunny, 2003-12-14 02:32 pm UTC
Re: - [info]singe, 2003-12-14 08:11 pm UTC

[info]dawnswalker
2003-12-14 09:10 am UTC (link)
Well, the very least that can be said about Anne Perry is that when it comes to murder mysteries, she knows her stuff.

I'll bet Agatha Christie never actually murdered anyone. What a poser.



And as was mentioned before, if you don't like the idea of supporting a convicted murderer, just borrow the books from the library or buy them from a garage sale or secondhand store. Or just download them from the internet.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-12-18 08:06 pm UTC
Not quite... - [info]ymfaery, 2003-12-19 05:53 am UTC

darthhellokitty
2003-12-14 09:23 am UTC (link)
EVERYONE ought to see "Heavenly Creatures" - it's an incredible movie, and truly the epitome of "fangirls gone wrong".

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(no subject) - [info]sorchar, 2003-12-14 10:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rhi_silverflame, 2003-12-14 11:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]khirsah, 2003-12-15 08:16 am UTC
(no subject) - ataniell93, 2003-12-15 08:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]virago, 2003-12-15 04:50 pm UTC

[info]snacky
2003-12-14 05:52 pm UTC (link)
I met Anne Perry once. She came to sign at the bookstore I worked at. I was coordinating the event. She had crazy eyes.

Heh.

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(no subject) - [info]mariagoner, 2003-12-14 11:31 pm UTC

[info]pipssister
2003-12-15 04:55 am UTC (link)
Charles Dickens for example, the stalwart moralist and defender of sweet Victorian family life obviously left his wife after she bore him eleven children, took her children away and lived with his mistress, a very young and pretty actress.

Um, actually, Dickens never lived with Ellen Ternan. He moved all the kids (except for his oldest son, Charles Dickens Jr., who basically told his Dad to fuck off) into his home on Gad's Hill and his wife's sister(!) Georgiana moved in with them and looked after the children.

As for Anne Perry... I don't know. For some reason I have no problem reading the work of psychos and depraved people after they're dead (I do love Dickens), yet I don't like supporting Roman Polanski (although I can also excuse that by saying that I thought Rosemary's Baby was unimpressive) or Woody Allen. [shrugs]

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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2003-12-15 04:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]wickedripeplum, 2003-12-17 03:35 am UTC

 
   
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