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(Anonymous) 2003-12-14 01:21 pm UTC (link)

How brilliant. Because we just know that it is such a *hassle* for the readers to have the authors notes nicely collected in a moving chapter - not to mention the "thank you's" to reviewers! Who doesn't want to open a new chapter only to realise that half is store while the other half is completely uninteresting blatherings? I just wonder if some moron actually complained about this to ff.net or if they came up with it all by themselves? (Reply to this)

	(Anonymous) 2003-12-14 01:46 pm UTC (link)
	Umm...this is a bad move by Fanfiction.Net why exactly? Sounds fine to me... ~Taly (Reply to this)

(Anonymous) 2003-12-14 01:55 pm UTC (link)

I don't have an issue with this. I hate finding chapters which are solely author's notes in the middle of a story, and I really don't like it when I think a WIP has been updated only to find the new 'chapter' is just a note promising a new chapter soon. I think some of the authors who write solely for reviews have a tendency to do this, to push their story back up to the top of the listing. (Reply to this)

Actually... zannechaos 2003-12-14 02:07 pm UTC (link)

I've read their TOS a few times, including when I first joined about 2 years ago. That's been in there. You're not supposed to post chapters which are nothing but notes or messages. That was in the TOS when I joined, that's been in the TOS. They're bringing it up like this because people don't frelling read the bloody thing, and lately the teenies have been using it as a way to leave scathing retorts to reviewers and flaming other people and all that rot. They're not tightening the noose. That rule's actually existed for quite a while. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	Re: Actually... calluna 2003-12-14 10:44 pm UTC (link)
	My thoughts exactly. I've reported people for doing stuff like this, and the chapter got deleted. I don't get what this is about a ten-day waiting period when they've been doing this all along. Maybe there was disagreement among the ff.net staff about it? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	virago 2003-12-14 02:49 pm UTC (link)
	Oh... well, it's been a long time since I gave a damn what happens to my junk on FFN. My stupidly long fic does have all the notes at the end as a separate chapter - but they can erase it for all I care. So in the wars of "OMG MI FREEDOM!!!" and "You illiterate cretins, you were never supposed to do that in the first place!" I rate a "cretin who could care less." (Reply to this)

ailei 2003-12-14 04:18 pm UTC (link)

I haven't touched FFN with a ten foot pole since the NC-17 purge, because of: 1. The nasty underhanded little way they did it, namely by pretending to shut the site down for a '9/11 tribute'. 2. Their juvenile answers to fair and balanced questions from their authors. 3. The way they deleted my account even with 2 months of paid service left - making it impossible to collect all my reviews for posterity, etc. Gee, me? Hold a big honking grudge? Nah...surely not. This little temper tantrum of theirs doesn't really register on the rictor scale - even I remember it in the TOS from when I joined in 2000. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	prettyamyrose 2003-12-14 10:53 pm UTC (link)
	*nods* I'm still rather angry about the so-called "tribute" hiding the removal of NC-17. >.> Hey, what'd you do to get deleted, exactly? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

Re: ailei 2003-12-14 11:00 pm UTC (link)

I am still not sure - that would have involved an actual answer to my emails to the management. *grin* All but one of my 20-some odd fics were NC-17. I removed the one remaining out of general principle, sent an email asking why they didn't do things in a more aboveboard fashion, etc, and asked for a refund of my paid time. Then when I got home from work and went to download my reviews so I could be shut of them, my account was gone. Grrr. Argh. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	rann 2003-12-15 12:59 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, it was a definite "Question us and we shall destroy you!" sort of thing. A defining moment for FF.net. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	smo 2003-12-15 01:26 am UTC (link)
	"Question us and we shall destroy you!" You know, that would actually make a really kickass icon. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Kickass Icon deoridhe 2003-12-15 05:59 am UTC (link)
	OOOOooooooooooo, make it make it make it make it. Then SHARE! 8) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ataniell93 2003-12-15 02:15 am UTC (link)
	The whole 9/11 tribute thing pissed me off more than anything else. The only reason I'm still there is that people from there join my yahoogroup a lot. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	moonjaguar 2003-12-15 03:06 am UTC (link)
	I'm only still there because I use one little story to whore my site (I think that's against TOS). That and I joined before it went live (and before it became Kiddieland). I don't know why I hang onto it, it's not like people can't find my stuff if they look for it. (wankity wank four digit user number wank wank certain there's smaller numbers than me wank) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	kookaburra 2003-12-15 08:51 pm UTC (link)
	The nasty underhanded little way they did it, namely by pretending to shut the site down for a '9/11 tribute'. Count me in the "grudge club". Grrrrrr. (Reply to this)(Parent)

WTF?! (Anonymous) 2003-12-21 09:31 am UTC (link)

The nasty underhanded little way they did it, namely by pretending to shut the site down for a '9/11 tribute'. That's DISGUSTING! I totally didn't know about this one. I never had any NC-17 stuff, but sheesh, this really pisses me off. Sorry to hear what they did to your paid account. FF.net is pretty much bog-standard (grr pop-up ads IE bad Mozilla Firebird good) and I was considering taking down all my stuff (I have my own site, I haven't written a 'fic in months and I don't really care about reviews, etc.)...this just sealed the deal. Thanks. --kicklecubicle (Reply to this)(Parent)

chaos_priestess 2003-12-14 04:49 pm UTC (link)

As the previous posters have said, it's been in the TOS for a while now. And it's good that they're finally enforcing that. I mean, shit, when I was in the Naruto fandom, there were quite a few stories I would be elated to see updated, only to see it's an author's note. I have only one story that is more than a chapter long on ff.n, and it's not that much to take the clarification and tack it on to the end of the last chapter. (Reply to this)

	(Anonymous) 2003-12-14 04:59 pm UTC (link)
	I stopped using ffnet's "quality" services quite some time ago, so nothing they do really bothers me anymore. But saying that, I'm kinda glad they're getting round to enforcing this rule. (Reply to this)

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	iczer6 2003-12-14 07:28 pm UTC (link)
	Hell I don't even think it's annoying. I'm glad they're finally enforcing this because I find it far more annoying to have to read through pages and pages of author's notes. If there's wank here it's coming from the OP who reaction seems to be 'OMG their taking away my FREEDOM!'. Icz (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	unoriginality 2003-12-14 08:39 pm UTC (link)
	Not only that, but give it time, and we will see the teenies who whine the loudest about it (who are also the biggest offenders) wank all over the place. This could be a "look, look, we have incoming wank! XD" sort of thing. ::shrugs:: Hell, if something's gonna be big enough, it's almost as fun to snark at it before it explodes as it is during. ^_^v (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sorchar 2003-12-15 03:33 pm UTC (link)
	Actually, yeah, that was the intent, hence the "waiting for it" in the mood. :) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	bohicamouse 2003-12-16 04:50 am UTC (link)
	*beams widely* I like monkeys TOO! Kyuuuuun! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sorchar 2003-12-15 03:32 pm UTC (link)
	If there's wank here it's coming from the OP who reaction seems to be 'OMG their taking away my FREEDOM!'. *points up to edit* Granted, my original meaning was unclear, but nowhere did I say anything of the sort. Also, I don't actually make use of FF.net - never have. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	iczer6 2003-12-15 06:17 pm UTC (link)
	[*points up to edit* Granted, my original meaning was unclear, but nowhere did I say anything of the sort.] Well my mistake for misinterpreting your meaning then. Bygones? Icz (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: sorchar 2003-12-15 07:08 pm UTC (link)
	Absolutely. When I went back and re-read the post after the comments, I had a lovely "D'oh!" moment. (Reply to this)(Parent)

pyratejenni 2003-12-14 11:09 pm UTC (link)

And they finally got around to checking to see if accusations of "She flamed me!' were true, rather than automatically deleting the story and account. Me, now, I'd have a rule that anyone who reported a story had their account go on hiatus until the accusation was investigated. Users making false claims would be booted, and forfeit any paid services to the person they made the claim against. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	prettyamyrose 2003-12-14 11:19 pm UTC (link)
	Then again, that'd make sense and we couldn't have that, could we? ^^ (Reply to this)(Parent)

	iczer6 2003-12-15 03:37 am UTC (link)
	[Me, now, I'd have a rule that anyone who reported a story had their account go on hiatus until the accusation was investigated.] Good idea but it'd only work if they made it so anyone reporting has to sign in. As it stands now I think you can report anonymously if you want to. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	calluna 2003-12-15 04:43 am UTC (link)
	I think Xing dropped by fanficrants once to say that they were working on a way to appeal that sort of thing for a certain time period, and until then they wouldn't delete anything completely. Not sure what exactly that entails or if it's ever going to actually happen, though... (Reply to this)(Parent)

	musette 2003-12-14 11:25 pm UTC (link)
	Ahhh ff.net, home of wank and badfic for many a year. Does anyone still seriously expect to find decent fic there? Anything I've found worth reading on ff.net is up on other archives too. (Reply to this)(Thread)

dunc 2003-12-15 03:03 am UTC (link)

The only good stories on ffn are ones I've already found elsewhere, I've noted. Authors just post them there to pick up fangirl and/or fandom ignorant readers? I dunno. I gave up slogging through there regularly even before NC-17 went bye-bye. Damn prequel fans. I took such perverse joy in all the 'Obi-Wan takes you and fucks you senseless' stories getting swept out. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: musette 2003-12-15 05:39 am UTC (link)
	I'm sure there's a few stray good fics out there that I'm missing, but the sheer eye-sporking badness of the vast majority of the dreck on ff.net just makes it a death wish to actually go through their archives. (Reply to this)(Parent)

valarltd 2003-12-15 05:47 am UTC (link)

I used to post there in order to give my fic as wide a distribution as possible. Gave it up, but still get the occasional review. My stuff is buried so deeply I can't imagine anyone finding it. Got some serious (or maybe not so serious) flamage of the "You prevert! Han is not Gay!!@!!!11111" variety more than once. One from someone who demanded I change the Luke/Han story to Luke/Leia. Oh yeah, slash we can't deal with, but incest is cool... (Reply to this)(Parent)

	squeakytoy 2003-12-15 01:33 am UTC (link)
	And the problem with authors no longer being allowed to pretend they've added more story when they're just posting waffle would be...? (Reply to this)

What noose? kannaophelia 2003-12-15 02:57 am UTC (link)

~shrug~ It's in the rules. It's always, to my knowledge, been in the rules. They're just trying to whack it trhough people's heads that, yes, it's a rule... and a bloody good rule. Chapters full of author's notes, those I find wanky. Any author's notes beyond a brief paragraph register in my "boring self-indulgence" scale, especially the ones who thank every reviewer individually in public, or like to dissect their own writing style and thoughts ad nauseum. My major problem with ff.net is that despite several people regularly "suggesting" it, they still won't bloody well put up an Enid Blyton section. ~grin~ (Reply to this)(Thread)

	Re: What noose? smo 2003-12-15 04:07 am UTC (link)
	But we're the Misfits! Our songs are better! We are the Misfits! The Misfits! And we're gonna get 'er! [/Jem fangirl] (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: What noose? phosfate 2003-12-15 05:25 am UTC (link)
	Those Misfits Misfits of Science Those wild and crazy scientific guys Yeah, those Miiiiiiisfits... Oh hell. Wrong show. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: What noose? mpoetess 2003-12-15 07:53 am UTC (link)
	*love* (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	rous 2003-12-15 08:45 am UTC (link)
	*impassioned icon love* (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: What noose? hephaestoschick 2003-12-15 09:35 am UTC (link)
	It's nice to know I'm not the only one who remembers Courtney Cox tossing people off of sandboards...and that creepy rockstar guy with the scary hair. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: What noose? smo 2003-12-15 01:34 pm UTC (link)
	Courteney Cox was on Jem? It is to *boggle*. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: What noose? virago 2003-12-15 04:37 pm UTC (link)
	No, that was from the other-show comment. Man, she would've been what, 7 at the time? Eegh. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: What noose? smo 2003-12-15 05:08 pm UTC (link)
	To me, she'll always be the perky teen in the Bruce Springsteen video. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: What noose? mpoetess 2003-12-15 03:21 pm UTC (link)
	Johnny B! Don't mock Johnny B, man. He was my TV Boyfriend for... at least five minutes. When I was 12. Also, huh. The completely unknown actor who plays him shares my birthday. Go imdb. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: What noose? phosfate 2003-12-15 05:30 pm UTC (link)
	Go Johnny go! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: What noose? hephaestoschick 2003-12-15 06:14 pm UTC (link)
	My TV boyfriend when I was younger was Andrew from "My Secret Identity". I young Jerry O'Connel. As for Johnny B...I didn't say he was evil. But his hair scared me. I recently downloaded an ep of MoS and I realized just how LARGE it was. (Reply to this)(Parent)

Harry Potter fandom strikes again redina 2003-12-16 10:43 am UTC (link)

Since there's a recent rant on FF.net, apparently, one of the most [in]famous HP slash fics, Frizzy's "Magnetic Attraction", got deleted within the past day or two by FF.net admins. It did have sex scenes but I wouldn't consider them extremely graphic. So, now there are fangirls going 'oh my gawd!!!1112 what will we do'. I agree with another girl about the amount of emails concerning this getting *old* fast. These fangirls speculated on someone being jealous of Frizzy because she had over 6,000 reviews (last time I saw weeks ago). The amusing part being this story has Harry/Draco (if that hasn't scared folk off) where Harry is a femme!bitch with more pastel nightwear than some gals... and the set-up wasn't suppose to be humourous. Dina (Reply to this)