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Alice Hertz ([info]redhead) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2003-12-22 07:49:00


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Current mood:*thud*
Entry tags:plagiarism

The Time Has Come For Those Who Are Wanky To Stand United

It's Christmas. The word of the week in 15minuteficlets is "cookies". cschoolgirl writes a ficlet about Wolverine and Rogue (X-Men characters for those who aren't familiar with the fandom) baking gingerbread cookies. Seems innocent enough, right?

Rabid X-Wankers arrive on the scene. Accusations of plagiarism spring forth.

~X-Wank Summary~

Anonymous Troll #1: Two people writing about Wolverine and Rogue baking cookies. What are the chances? You obviously copied this story from Terri!

cschoolgirl: "it's christmas, if you'd pull your head out and look at the calendar...these stories have neither the same tone nor the same conclusion."

Anonymous Troll #2: It's not about the cookies damnit! She wrote a story about Wolverine and Rogue baking GINGERBREAD SHAPED LIKE TEH X-MEN and three days later you wrote a story about GINGERBREAD SHAPED LIKE TEH X-MEN. Don't you see the connection? You copied her story!!!11!!

Anonymous Troll #3 Terri: "I wrote the cookie story. Let me preface this by saying that I spent yesterday at the MVA, am awake at 5:30a on a Saturday, and have not yet had coffee, so please excuse me if I come across a tad cranky ;) Plagiarism is never a nice thing to be accused of, and usually, even when I've seen copies of things I've written redone verbatim or with the exact same, very detailed, setting or idea, I don't fling that accusation at the person because, while not at all likely in many cases, I suppose that it's not *impossible* that someone would come up with the exact same thing on their own, and I'm by nature a benefit-of-the-doubt kind of gal. And besides, I've seen some people in W/R accused of plagiarism on the basis of far, far, incredibly far less, so I try not to be one of those hair-trigger paranoia types. But, having said that, I do have to admit that seeing this made me go 'hey!' - it showed up a few days after my story was posted to a list that I believe you belong to and while you may not have read it, the circumstances and similarity were enough to cause the knee-jerk 'hey!' reaction in me. And no, before, ahem, 'anonymous' gets their panties in a twist, I'm not saying that it caused that reaction because it's a Christmas fic, or because it's a Logan-and-Marie bake cookies fic, or because it's..."

Zzzzzzzz. Oops, sorry. What was I...? Oh, yes! I was posting the X-Wank! There's more.

another_troll: "You are SOOOO not from Montana. Definatly not cool enough to be, cause we Montanans may be 'simple folk' but we know the difference between 'coincidence' and outright stealing."

Anne: "You people are complaining an awful lot for a 15 minute ficlet that doesn't even fill my computer screen. It's not even a full story, for crying out loud. Get over it."

It's such a cutsie little wank, isn't it?



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[info]bitca
2003-12-22 05:10 pm UTC (link)
*wipes tear from eye*

I'm so proud. My little community hath created teh wank!!!

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(Anonymous)
2003-12-22 05:51 pm UTC (link)
I need a "you are soooooooooo not from montana" wank icon.

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[info]redhead
2003-12-22 06:03 pm UTC (link)
I am soooooooooo going to make one.

I'll be back in a few minutes!

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Merry Christmas!
[info]redhead
2003-12-22 06:33 pm UTC (link)

Terri!Wank LJ Icons - You are soooo not from Montana

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Re: Merry Christmas!
(Anonymous)
2003-12-22 08:04 pm UTC (link)
I got one word to say for this group.

Complete shut down.

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Re: Merry Christmas! - [info]redhead, 2003-12-22 08:12 pm UTC
Re: Merry Christmas! - [info]virago, 2003-12-22 11:28 pm UTC
Re: Merry Christmas! - [info]redhead, 2003-12-22 11:31 pm UTC
Re: Merry Christmas! - [info]oulangi, 2003-12-23 02:46 am UTC
Re: Merry Christmas! - [info]redhead, 2003-12-23 08:36 am UTC
Re: Merry Christmas! - [info]eris, 2003-12-23 05:26 am UTC
Re: Merry Christmas! - [info]mariagoner, 2003-12-23 10:53 pm UTC
Re: Merry Christmas!
[info]smo
2003-12-23 04:37 am UTC (link)
Oo, oo! Can you make one for California?

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Re: Merry Christmas! - [info]rogue, 2003-12-23 06:03 am UTC
Re: Merry Christmas! - [info]smo, 2003-12-23 08:10 am UTC
You are SOOOO not from California!!!11 - [info]redhead, 2003-12-23 03:43 pm UTC
Re: You are SOOOO not from California!!!11 - [info]rogue, 2003-12-23 05:39 pm UTC
Re: You are SOOOO not from California!!!11 - [info]smo, 2003-12-23 10:23 pm UTC
Re: You are SOOOO not from California!!!11 - [info]eljuno, 2003-12-24 12:38 am UTC
Re: You are SOOOO not from California!!!11 - [info]calluna, 2003-12-24 06:22 am UTC
Re: You are SOOOO not from California!!!11 - (Anonymous), 2004-01-15 06:29 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2003-12-22 08:08 pm UTC (link)
Actually it started because an author who's often flammed by a certain clique, had her story be the *inspiration* for a fic by one of their members. Not that it's the first time the 'too close for comfort' scenario has come up. It's mondo tacky for someone to kipe ideas from authors they supposedly have a distain for.

Sign me,
Fed up

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[info]mpoetess
2003-12-22 08:37 pm UTC (link)
We also are very amused by the suspicion that the spelling-challenged anonymous above is the same spelling-challenged anonymous who's flaming away in both this thead of the current wank and in [info]seperis's journal -- see previous wank.

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(Anonymous)
2003-12-22 08:32 pm UTC (link)
OMG, how TRAGIC!

Sign me,
Pointing & Laughing

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[info]hotpinkdragones
2003-12-22 08:59 pm UTC (link)
I've always viewed that as one of the dumber reasons to get upset in fandom. Someone wrote a story with the same premise as yours? Get over it . . . there's no way to determine whether it was inspiration or two minds thinking similarly about characters. Especially in fandom, where originality is not the primary target.

Thinking that a story about making gingerbread at Christmas time is original? *falls over in laughter* I've made gingerbread and decorated them as various television characters in the past. I've seen stories like that in more than one fandom. That's not original. I decorated a few gingerbread as Spock/Vulcans last Thursday. That seems a fairly obvious story line for an X-men story.

-hp

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[info]rann
2003-12-23 12:00 am UTC (link)
Someone wrote a story with the same premise as yours? Get over it . . . there's no way to determine whether it was inspiration or two minds thinking similarly about characters.

Well, I've seen times where I (and others) posted a fic on a list, and then within 48 hours, someone (rather, one specific author, in this case) would post up a crappy spamfic with the same premise, maybe just altered a LITTLE. Post a fic where a particular character gets pregnant? Within two days, here's the spamfic version. Post a fic with a rare pairing or one that no one's ever seen before? Day and a half, tops, and blammo, here it is again, but this time it SUCKS.
Certainly not solid evidence, but after the third or fourth time, pretty frikkin' obvious.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-12-23 01:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lessis, 2003-12-23 02:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hotpinkdragones, 2003-12-23 02:56 am UTC

[info]mireille
2003-12-23 12:58 pm UTC (link)
there's no way to determine whether it was inspiration or two minds thinking similarly about characters.

Especially on a community like 15-minute ficlets, where the *topic* was "cookies"....

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[info]phosfate
2003-12-22 10:33 pm UTC (link)
Mmmmmmm...flammy.

With All Due Respect,

Peckish

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[info]snacky
2003-12-23 04:21 pm UTC (link)
And "kiped"?

What's kiped, preciousss?

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(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2003-12-23 04:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]snacky, 2003-12-23 06:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rann, 2003-12-24 01:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]virago, 2003-12-23 07:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2003-12-23 07:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]virago, 2003-12-23 09:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]coyotegirl, 2003-12-24 02:54 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-12-24 05:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-12-23 10:24 pm UTC

[info]raisedbyhyenas
2003-12-23 12:42 am UTC (link)
1) "Flammed"?
2) Who the fuck cares?

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[info]yadda
2003-12-22 09:39 pm UTC (link)
Man, that huge block of responses from the various trolls must be ten times the length of the two little stories they're wanking about.

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[info]kijikun
2003-12-23 01:02 am UTC (link)
Hehe thats priceless. And come on like its so hard to come up with idea of Wolverine and Rouge baking gingerbread cookies, and given movieverse Rogue's peronsilty (that most Long/Rouge shipers seem to use *ducks flames*) she'd make them look like the x-men.

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(Anonymous)
2003-12-23 01:14 am UTC (link)
Sorry, but while cooking fics have been done before, the (pretty specific) gingerbread X-Men idea never has been. Now, suddenly two authors (who are on the same fic mailing list)come up with the exact same scenario less than a week apart. Think of the odds of that happening.

If Terri had posted her fic AFTER Patricia, she'd have been publicly flammed and hung in effigy by Patricia's friends.

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[info]seventy_three
2003-12-23 01:19 am UTC (link)
Yeah, two gingerbread stories three days before Christmas. How amazing and unheard of.

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(no subject) - [info]kijikun, 2003-12-23 01:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]raisedbyhyenas, 2003-12-23 01:32 am UTC
Please Satisfy Our Curiosity, My Little Wankette - [info]redhead, 2003-12-23 01:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rogue, 2003-12-23 01:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2003-12-23 04:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2003-12-23 04:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rann, 2003-12-24 01:10 am UTC
Heh - (Anonymous), 2003-12-29 11:58 pm UTC

[info]bohicamouse
2003-12-23 02:59 am UTC (link)
I think I'm going to steal from both these authors and go bake me some X-Men cookies.

*bites off Nightcrawler's tasty, tasty head*

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[info]rann
2003-12-23 03:36 am UTC (link)
Which tasty, tasty head?
*crosses legs solemnly*

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(no subject) - [info]kijikun, 2003-12-23 04:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]norabombay, 2003-12-23 06:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kijikun, 2003-12-23 06:33 am UTC
Re: - [info]norabombay, 2003-12-23 06:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kijikun, 2003-12-23 06:40 am UTC
Re: - [info]norabombay, 2003-12-23 06:45 am UTC
Nightcrawler says BITCH, PLEASE! - [info]redhead, 2003-12-23 03:47 pm UTC
Re: Nightcrawler says BITCH, PLEASE! - (Anonymous), 2003-12-24 01:05 am UTC
Re: Nightcrawler says BITCH, PLEASE! - [info]redhead, 2003-12-24 03:41 am UTC
Re: Nightcrawler says BITCH, PLEASE! - [info]norabombay, 2003-12-24 04:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ieatpeople, 2003-12-23 08:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]norabombay, 2003-12-23 08:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mindset, 2003-12-23 08:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rann, 2003-12-24 01:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mpoetess, 2003-12-24 03:33 am UTC
That's it, I need to start reading X-Men comics! - [info]ieatpeople, 2003-12-24 04:27 am UTC
Re: That's it, I need to start reading X-Men comics! - [info]rann, 2003-12-24 05:01 am UTC
Re: That's it, I need to start reading X-Men comics! - [info]ieatpeople, 2003-12-24 06:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]norabombay, 2003-12-24 04:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rann, 2003-12-24 05:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]norabombay, 2003-12-24 06:50 am UTC
Re: - [info]rann, 2003-12-24 06:55 am UTC
Re: - [info]norabombay, 2003-12-24 07:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kijikun, 2003-12-23 08:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]redhead, 2003-12-23 08:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ieatpeople, 2003-12-23 08:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rann, 2003-12-23 08:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ieatpeople, 2003-12-23 09:05 am UTC
Re: - [info]rann, 2003-12-23 09:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ieatpeople, 2003-12-23 11:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]snacky, 2003-12-23 07:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rann, 2003-12-24 01:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]norabombay, 2003-12-24 04:56 am UTC
Re: - [info]rann, 2003-12-24 04:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mindset, 2003-12-24 06:57 am UTC
Re: - [info]rann, 2003-12-24 07:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]norabombay, 2003-12-24 07:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bohicamouse, 2003-12-23 08:53 am UTC

[info]kijikun
2003-12-23 08:53 pm UTC (link)
oooooooo shinny

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(Anonymous)
2003-12-24 12:50 pm UTC (link)
They all stole it from me!!! *laughs riotously* Way back in the day I produced a Jubilee magazine with instructions of how to make X-Men shaped gingerbread men! I shared the pictures with the then one WR list. So yeah - HAIL ME YOU PITIFUL FOOLS!! *evil laughs*

Can you tell I really don't give a shit? Cookies is cookies, foohs, get over it!

Nacey.
(also known as Nancy and Logansrogue on LJ).

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(Anonymous)
2003-12-27 06:11 pm UTC (link)
Sure, Terri waited three years to post her fic, just so nobody would figure out she stole the idea from you. Hahahahahaha Do yourself a favor and GET OVER YOURSELF.




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(no subject) - [info]mariagoner, 2003-12-28 04:53 am UTC


 
   
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