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Nevada Fighter ([info]nevadafighter) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-01-02 00:57:00


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Current mood:energetic
Entry tags:elitism, my pretension let me show you it, otf_wank

Because paganism is JUS LIK a fandom!!11!!
Wow, this is just . . . woo.

I'm going to try to make this better than my usual summaries, but this is way more amusing than it should be.

[info]kittywuff posts an (let's be honest, here) ungrammatical rant about "cthulu fan-tards" and "McWiccans", railing against the wannabe rebels who slap on the pagan label to look "different" or "cool." (I have no idea how accurate her facts are as I know nothing about wiccanism/paganism/whateverism.)

The first poster agrees. Then [info]werebitch steps into the arena and lives up to her username. Her reply (all 1604 words of it) is split into four parts to accomodate the posting limit. "But get a clue here... it's NEOPAGANISM not "let's be exactly like it was 1000 years ago" paganism." What follows is a detailed iteration of everything that's WRONG with [info]kittywuff's argument (with a "By the way, your spelling and typing skills are horrible" thrown in for flavor), delivered with, I imagine, nose firmly in the air. However, she manages along the way to throw out the accusation that it is in fact [info]kittywuff who is the arrogant one.

"But I doubt it... you are so full of yourself and what you believe to be "real" that you will only see where I'm correcting you, you won't see the wisdom, or the knowledge contained in the words. You will get angry that I dared to speak thus to you, and you will probably even delete this comment." (Which isn't true; comments are still up at the moment.)

[info]mugetsu_ replies with "preach much?" and it all goes downhill from there. The highlights:

- tedious definitions of "pagan" that don't seem to ever resolve the issue!
- assertions that anyone not Christian, Jewish, or Muslim is pagan by default! (Shocked my Buddhist ass to the core, that one.)
- a giant pic of a half-naked long-haired weirdo giving a thumbs up!
- ribald condescention!
- accusations of childishness!
- allusions to Star Wars! (All the more amusing since the word "Corellian" shows up in [info]werebitch's sig lines.)
- a pic of the Iraqi (dis)Information Minister!

And in the end . . . it just ends up making pagans (or rather, this group of pagans) look like argumentative boors, precisely what they keep insisting they're not. Two thumbs, er, sideways. :P



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[info]musette
2004-01-02 08:24 am UTC (link)
Not touching most of this with a ten foot pole, because I feel the spooge rising around me already, but purely as an academic I have to take issue with "you can't just wake up one morning and say 'gee I'm a christian now". Because really, not to say that is exactly accurate, but how many times have I heard people say "all you have to do is accept Jesus into your heart"? Is that not pretty much waking up and saying "I'm a Christian now"?

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[info]misswindy
2004-01-02 08:36 am UTC (link)
Yep. For a lot of people the moment is arrived at via a slow, gradual process, but C.S. Lewis called conversion "an instant of blessed defeat," and I think that pretty much sums it up.

And, yes, this is wankerrific on all sides. I feel like an island in a sea of spooge.

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(no subject) - [info]rann, 2004-01-02 08:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]misswindy, 2004-01-02 08:55 am UTC
Re: - [info]rann, 2004-01-02 08:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tempslut, 2004-01-02 09:10 am UTC
Re: - [info]rann, 2004-01-02 09:19 am UTC
Re: - [info]musette, 2004-01-02 08:59 am UTC

[info]nevadafighter
2004-01-02 09:05 am UTC (link)
Depends who you ask. In the Catholic and Episcopal faiths you're not really a full member of the Church (and you can't participate in the sacrament of communion) until you've been baptized. In some of the demoninations that are further along the spectrum from Catholicism, all you have to do is invite Jesus into your heart and there you are.

Of course, the real test of people's committment to Christianity is whether they follow Christ and walk in his footsteps—though if we put that measuring stick in place who knows what percentage of Christians would fall short?

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Re: - [info]musette, 2004-01-02 09:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nevadafighter, 2004-01-02 09:48 am UTC
Re: - [info]musette, 2004-01-02 10:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nevadafighter, 2004-01-02 12:02 pm UTC
Re: - [info]musette, 2004-01-02 12:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]crickets, 2004-01-02 11:19 am UTC
(no subject) - ataniell93, 2004-01-02 11:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sorchar, 2004-01-02 11:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mariagoner, 2004-01-03 03:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]necronomist, 2004-01-03 07:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mariagoner, 2004-01-03 10:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]delfeus, 2004-01-02 10:44 am UTC
Re: - [info]musette, 2004-01-02 10:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rogue, 2004-01-02 05:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-01-02 06:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-01-02 10:03 pm UTC
Re: - [info]musette, 2004-01-03 12:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]prettyamyrose, 2004-01-02 06:02 pm UTC
Re: - [info]musette, 2004-01-03 12:44 am UTC
Re: - [info]delfeus, 2004-01-02 08:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-01-02 10:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]delfeus, 2004-01-03 12:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-01-03 08:10 am UTC
Re: - [info]delfeus, 2004-01-03 05:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seldomnaughty, 2004-01-03 02:00 pm UTC
Re: - [info]delfeus, 2004-01-03 05:47 pm UTC
Re: - [info]musette, 2004-01-03 12:46 am UTC

[info]smo
2004-01-02 08:30 am UTC (link)
assertions that anyone not Christian, Jewish, or Muslim is pagan by default!

Thank God I'm an agnostic...

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(Anonymous)
2004-01-02 08:48 am UTC (link)
I'm atheist. Now, does that make me a full pagan, or just partly pagan? How would that work? Would I have to wear a whole pentagram, or would a half circle with four prongs work?

More importantly, how has Fandom_Wank managed to distract me from watching the Raiders of the Lost Ark dvd? Mmm...Indy...
~JM

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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-01-02 08:52 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-01-02 08:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-01-02 09:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mrbimble, 2004-01-02 05:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-01-02 10:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]valarltd, 2004-01-03 07:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-01-03 08:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2004-01-03 01:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]delfeus, 2004-01-02 10:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]valarltd, 2004-01-03 07:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]delfeus, 2004-01-03 05:28 pm UTC
*grin* - [info]pet, 2004-01-02 06:30 pm UTC
Canarism, all the way! - [info]pyratejenni, 2004-01-02 10:16 pm UTC
heh - [info]pet, 2004-01-02 10:22 pm UTC
Re: *grin* - [info]calluna, 2004-01-03 07:49 am UTC
Re: *grin* - [info]pet, 2004-01-04 07:46 am UTC
(no subject) - allen, 2004-01-02 07:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]deoridhe, 2004-01-02 09:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - allen, 2004-01-02 10:31 pm UTC
Godless Pagans - [info]deoridhe, 2004-01-03 08:41 pm UTC

[info]calluna
2004-01-03 07:53 am UTC (link)
Me too, but my name basically means "heathen cunt". Does that count?

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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-01-03 08:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]calluna, 2004-01-03 07:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-01-03 11:46 pm UTC
Re: - [info]calluna, 2004-01-04 03:39 am UTC

[info]zee
2004-01-02 09:12 am UTC (link)
"...one of the beautiful things of paganism is that we're all right. However, those who remain close-minded and refuse to learn, don't grow very much." Am I reading "all right" in the wrong context, or is this statement just chock full of irony? ("The kids are all right," or "every pagan is correct?")

The sheer snobbery of it all! =)

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[info]diamonde
2004-01-02 09:28 am UTC (link)
Oh, please. Just because they're pagan doesn't mean that their belief that [killing puppies causes rainbows] is true. You aren't necessarily right, you may be spectacularly wrong! That's the fun part of religion.

Although I really, really hope that the Egyptian gods are, in fact, real. If only to see what happens to all those Church of Set followers who get faced with a cranky divinity with a stick going "bitch, please. Take my name in vain and equate me with Satan, will you? I'll show you individual freedom, fucktard..."

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(no subject) - [info]zee, 2004-01-02 09:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]delfeus, 2004-01-02 10:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zee, 2004-01-02 11:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]delfeus, 2004-01-02 11:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zee, 2004-01-02 11:28 am UTC
Re: - [info]delfeus, 2004-01-02 08:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nevadafighter, 2004-01-02 12:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sewingmyfish, 2004-01-02 09:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rann, 2004-01-02 11:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zee, 2004-01-02 11:21 am UTC
Re: - [info]rann, 2004-01-02 11:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]deoridhe, 2004-01-02 09:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]byagghametta, 2004-01-02 09:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]visp, 2004-01-02 09:53 pm UTC
Re: - [info]byagghametta, 2004-01-02 09:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-01-02 10:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]loki, 2004-01-02 10:36 pm UTC
Loki!! - [info]deoridhe, 2004-01-03 08:43 pm UTC
Re: - [info]visp, 2004-01-03 04:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2004-01-02 10:17 pm UTC
Re: - [info]byagghametta, 2004-01-02 10:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]diamonde, 2004-01-03 12:07 pm UTC
Slashing gods - [info]deoridhe, 2004-01-03 08:42 pm UTC
Re: Slashing gods - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-01-07 04:01 am UTC
More Otherland Pimpage - [info]sagralisse, 2004-01-02 11:28 pm UTC
Re: More Otherland Pimpage - [info]deoridhe, 2004-01-03 08:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]byagghametta, 2004-01-02 09:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-01-02 10:09 pm UTC
Re: - [info]byagghametta, 2004-01-02 10:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-01-03 08:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-01-07 03:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-01-07 11:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kimera, 2004-01-03 03:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-01-03 08:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]diamonde, 2004-01-03 12:01 pm UTC
Re: - [info]byagghametta, 2004-01-03 06:31 pm UTC
Okay, we got a werebitch on our hands...
[info]wankprophet
2004-01-02 09:42 am UTC (link)
Call out the villagers! Is there such a thing as bitchsbane? Chocolate-covered Ewan McGregor, mayhaps? I mean, lord, it all makes me wanna go to a McPagans. Wonder what's in their Happy Meals?

I've had experience with "friendly debates" before... Invariably, the person dislikes anyone who disagrees and I've been banned or had my posts deleted. Not because I attack anyone... I do not randomly go around spamming and attacking people at random just to "stir the shit". But because they don't like what I have to say, no matter how friendly I word such posts. I fully expect it to happen again

Sweetheart, at some point, you gotta figure that if you keep getting knocked in the head repeatedly by a low branch, it ain't the tree's fault.

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Re: Okay, we got a werebitch on our hands...
[info]zee
2004-01-02 09:52 am UTC (link)
Wonder what's in their Happy Meals?

Christian McNuggets, of course. Secret's in the sauce.

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Heh - [info]wankprophet, 2004-01-02 09:55 am UTC
Re: Heh - [info]zee, 2004-01-02 10:12 am UTC
Re: Okay, we got a werebitch on our hands... - [info]lokifin, 2004-01-02 04:55 pm UTC
Re: Okay, we got a werebitch on our hands... - [info]valarltd, 2004-01-03 07:50 am UTC
Re: Okay, we got a werebitch on our hands...
[info]rann
2004-01-02 11:20 am UTC (link)
Sweetheart, at some point, you gotta figure that if you keep getting knocked in the head repeatedly by a low branch, it ain't the tree's fault.

But it should MOVE THE BRANCH! I know it CAN! It's just being a bitch by not doing it! Stupid damn tree!

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Re: Okay, we got a werebitch on our hands... - [info]wankprophet, 2004-01-02 10:24 pm UTC
*feels curious, but not enough to actually click on the links*
[info]ymfaery
2004-01-02 12:06 pm UTC (link)
... Cthulu "fan-tards"?

Does this refer to fans in general, or people who actually worship characters created by a nutty horror writer from the 1920's?

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Re: *feels curious, but not enough to actually click on the links*
[info]nevadafighter
2004-01-02 12:10 pm UTC (link)
I think kittywuff just threw out that term to refer to the "wannabe, wake-up-one-morning-and-OMG-I'm-sew-pagan" kinda folks.

It's not too horrifying. Just incredibly verbose.

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Re: *feels curious, but not enough to actually click on the links*
[info]pyratejenni
2004-01-02 02:16 pm UTC (link)
Yes. Yes, it does.

And they blather on and on about how Yog Sothoth or Nyarlahotep or whomever are "cthonic energies." Let's not mention how histrionic they get when you ask if they've read the fucking books.

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Re: *feels curious, but not enough to actually click on the links* - [info]ymfaery, 2004-01-02 08:30 pm UTC
Re: *feels curious, but not enough to actually click on the links* - [info]pyratejenni, 2004-01-02 10:18 pm UTC
Re: *feels curious, but not enough to actually click on the links* - [info]cmikhailovic, 2004-01-02 10:43 pm UTC
Re: *feels curious, but not enough to actually click on the links* - [info]ymfaery, 2004-01-02 11:00 pm UTC
Re: *feels curious, but not enough to actually click on the links* - [info]tigerlily, 2004-01-02 11:07 pm UTC
Re: *feels curious, but not enough to actually click on the links* - [info]yadda, 2004-01-03 01:33 am UTC
OT - [info]ruaki, 2004-01-03 08:17 am UTC
Re: OT - [info]yadda, 2004-01-03 05:33 pm UTC
... - [info]virago, 2004-01-03 05:55 am UTC
Re: ... - [info]necronomist, 2004-01-03 07:59 am UTC
Re: ... - [info]ymfaery, 2004-01-04 01:31 pm UTC
Re: *feels curious, but not enough to actually click on the links*
[info]teratologist
2004-01-02 04:35 pm UTC (link)
The latter. I'm sorry.

They often twitch amusingly if you point out that Lovecraft himself was actually a materialist atheist who just enjoyed making shit up.

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Re: *feels curious, but not enough to actually click on the links* - [info]ymfaery, 2004-01-02 08:31 pm UTC
Re: *feels curious, but not enough to actually click on the links* - [info]pyratejenni, 2004-01-02 10:18 pm UTC
Re: *feels curious, but not enough to actually click on the links* - [info]ymfaery, 2004-01-02 11:02 pm UTC
Re: *feels curious, but not enough to actually click on the links* - [info]meril, 2004-01-03 01:20 am UTC
Re: *feels curious, but not enough to actually click on the links* - [info]ymfaery, 2004-01-03 02:09 am UTC
Re: *feels curious, but not enough to actually click on the links* - [info]teratologist, 2004-01-04 05:43 pm UTC
Re: *feels curious, but not enough to actually click on the links* - ataniell93, 2004-01-03 04:17 am UTC
~amused~ - [info]meril, 2004-01-03 01:23 am UTC
Re: *feels curious, but not enough to actually click on the links*
[info]ecchaniz0r
2004-01-07 04:06 am UTC (link)
I think it refers to the wacko fans who think Lovecraft is the be-all and end-all of horror fiction and any slagging of the Great Cthulhu is sacrilege. And the bigger wackos who LOUDLY worship the Great Old Ones. (Dude, worship Shub Niggurath all you want, but don't go crawling up my nose if I don't.)

(I tend to stick those who believe the Necronomicon to be real in the same category as those mentioned above. I'm sorry, but the one available on market is a conglomeration of Lovecraftian fiction mythos and Sumerian funerary ritual, or something, No, you cannot summon demons with it. And stop trying to call Cthulhu down on me. The Elder God is SLEEPING, ya ho'.)

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[info]schoenschoen
2004-01-02 11:14 pm UTC (link)
*jawdrop* Oh my holy mother goddess...

Can these two possibly be any more relentlessly anal retentive? I think one of the larger point of Wicca is to have a *personal* belief system, and to set your *own* beliefs for yourself.

And the throwing around of credentials, like they actually *mean* something! Just because your mommy was a witch, and her mommy was a witch doesn't mean *anything*.

Why do hereditary witches like that have to be so snotty? I know there are good ones out there, but the ones I've met have all thought they were better than everyone else because their mommy taught them. Those books that the OP said were bullshit? How *else* is anyone going to learn? That's how I taught myself, because quite frankly, I've only ever met one or two Wiccans that I could tolerate - the rest were fucking idiots like the participants in that wank.

Of course, your mileage may vary. ^_^;;;

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[info]sagralisse
2004-01-02 11:24 pm UTC (link)
Wicca + Asshats = Wankka.

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(no subject) - [info]schoenschoen, 2004-01-02 11:32 pm UTC

[info]valarltd
2004-01-03 07:54 am UTC (link)
Because even when we're Christians, we know we're witches. (those of us raised fundy just hide it better than the "ooo, oo Goddess Bless" types)

And that makes us sooooooo superior to the little Blessed Wannabes with their spice racks and henna tattoos and white light and empowerment and sisterhood and underlined Starhawks.

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(Anonymous)
2004-01-02 11:41 pm UTC (link)
- assertions that anyone not Christian, Jewish, or Muslim is pagan by default! (Shocked my Buddhist ass to the core, that one.)

Dunno if this has been pointed out already, but that is the dictionary definition of a pagan. Obviously not the definition in common use, but ...

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heh... I got mentioned in fandom wank
(Anonymous)
2004-01-03 12:41 am UTC (link)
whee... but you got the underscore on the wrong side of my name =0p

mugetsu_
"if you can't laugh at your own foolishness, you shouldn't laugh at another's foolishness"

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Re: heh... I got mentioned in fandom wank
[info]mugetsu_
2004-01-04 10:43 pm UTC (link)
thanks for correcting it
(yeah, I got one here too now)

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Heh sorry to butt in late
(Anonymous)
2004-01-03 02:36 am UTC (link)
Yes I admit my typing skills weren't up to par. I did go back and edit the post to fix errors though, which I probably should have done to begin with. The fact of the matter is though, that entire post was merely 'off hand' type rambles after I made a comment about the comic (something posative and the issue with 'Celtic Wiccan' funny stuff btw). It certainly didn't merit 60 or so replies! Makes me wish I'd actualy gone in depth and ranted in more detail or something.

To the mention of my 'cthulu-fantards' comment, that was in reference to the somthing posative comic a whileback wich involved cthulu, and some 'cthulu worshipper' complaining in the same way celtic wiccan did about the pagan strip.

The bottom line is tho, Moira basicaly came in to defend herself, when the post was about 'WANNABE PAGANS'.

In otherwords: "you're offending inteligent people by ranting about stupid ones! How dare you!" I think that's a nice similarity there.

Sorry for the long post. :) Hope y'all were as entertained as I was, one way or another.

Rak (Kittywuff LJ)

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Re: Heh sorry to butt in late
[info]nevadafighter
2004-01-03 08:48 am UTC (link)
Unlike werebitch, my little notation wasn't meant to offend--just pointing a little detail out. ;)

I was highly amused by all the comments. It was great fun. :)


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[info]yadda
2004-01-03 08:12 pm UTC (link)
One religion believes that X is true, another believes X is false. One of them *must* be wrong.

*Snort*

Or maybe, they're both wrong! Or maybe all religions are wrong. Or... maybe they're all right! Or... dude, have you ever looked at your hands? I mean, really looked? Like, whoa.

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(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-01-07 04:07 am UTC

 
   
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