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	leopard_lady 2004-01-04 01:42 am UTC (link)
	Did you speak to my boyfriend? (Reply to this)(Thread)

tigerlily
2004-01-04 02:47 am UTC (link)

Actually we were discussing it here: http://www.journalfen.net/community/otf_wank/47688.html?nc=21
and on another tread in a different community earlier the same day. (blasted memory)

If you read the link (and yeah I'm new to journals so icky plain link) you'll see the idea isn't original at all. Also, before the word biter enters into this, I don't read LJs due to my lack of a code. I'm lost without a handy friend list. (Which I checked only to see someone else has a journal for it that they did on LJ so...yeah.)

Also I would have got to this sooner but fan-fic is all enveloping.

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	l_s_q 2004-01-04 02:56 am UTC (link)
	LJ doesn't need codes any more- they got rid of them a few weeks ago. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	tigerlily 2004-01-04 02:57 am UTC (link)
	-zorak blink- See this is how little I know of LJ! -runs off to LJ- w00t (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: l_s_q 2004-01-04 02:59 am UTC (link)
	Hell, I only found out because it generated large amounts of wank when it was announced and got posted here! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	tigerlily 2004-01-04 03:03 am UTC (link)
	I knew I didn't go back far enough! -hugs her info faerie- (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: l_s_q 2004-01-04 03:03 am UTC (link)
	Glad to be of assistance, and enjoy your shiny new LJ! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	chaoskind 2004-01-04 01:55 am UTC (link)
	I could definetely use such a site 8) (Reply to this)

	iczer6 2004-01-04 02:00 am UTC (link)
	I think this a good idea, I know we must have a ton of poor newbies who are confused as hell about what we're talking about. Plus it'd be handy for those of us coughmyselfcough who have memories like sieves and could use a refresher. I say go for it. (Reply to this)(Thread)

anu
2004-01-04 02:50 am UTC (link)

I'm all for equal edumication, but I don't think we really need a lexicon. If you're supposed to be here, you pick things up pretty quick, and I'm reluctant to make it so any fuckstick could bound in and post a non-wank or something.

Yeah, I'm new, so I know that if you want to be here you can learn everything you need to fairly swiftly.

It's kind of like that club you always wanted to get into as a kid, with the bouncers who'd let you in if you acted like you were supposed to be there, and if you didn't know how to act kicked your ass out in the street but never gave you any tips. You had to learn as ya went, and came out the better for it.

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	(Anonymous) 2004-01-04 02:04 am UTC (link)
	I dunno. I prefer people finding these things for themselves. It's more fun to find out the meaning of phrases/laws etc for yourself and Darwin's law then applies as to who ends up knowing this top!sekrit information and say posting on these sites i.e. it's harder for ~~the idiots~~ certain people to follow us... (Reply to this)

	hugsnkisses 2004-01-04 02:44 am UTC (link)
	Like I said before, and agreeing with anon. here, I really don't like the idea of this. If we'd wanted/needed it, we'd have done if before. As it is, we don't and we haven't. Jokes aren't funny if you have to explain them ~~more than seven times~~. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	tigerlily 2004-01-04 02:50 am UTC (link)
	That's where the "Also if certain things should be left out, the protest will be there too. Don't want people understanding dead from coke? Then we won't post it." part comes in. So we have a glossery of safe terms instead. And the thing about explaining a joke seven times; if you explain it once in one place you don't have to re tell it 20 times. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

hugsnkisses
2004-01-04 03:09 am UTC (link)

As I was saying to a friend, these are the type of things that really aren't funny or cute if you have a nice little definition going "The amusing phrase 'Beading the dead pony' came about from a hilarious type made on the 27th July 2002. it has been the cause for many an icon or gleeful joke."

If there's no point for one, then there's really no point for any of them.

Now, I'm going to be a big wanker here and step up and say that I am ~~the Elder Spokeswoman~~ one of the oldest olbies we've got around here. I've been with FW since it's started, through all it's various incarnations and become friends with a lot of people along the way. I've been a Wanka for almost one and a half years. I'm one of the mods, I sort out this kind of stuff. Believe me, I've been considering having an FAQ for quite a while now - but every time I've come up with the descision not to do it.

Why? Because FW is the inside jokes. It's the silly little things, it's the Squidwarts and the Elder Spokeswoman of the Fandom dangnabbit so listen to me and the Ok! We (the hivemind) don't want an FAQ detailing this. Any of it.

We have no qualms about explaining a joke over and over again, goodness knows some wanks need more comments on them - and you nearly always get some fresh insight or enjoyment out of the telling. Now you may have been lurking for a bit longer, but you seem to have joined Journalfen less than a week ago. Good for you that you have lots of bright ideas and want to help, but I don't think an FAQ is necessary at this juncture.

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	tigerlily 2004-01-04 03:16 am UTC (link)
	Which is why I've edited the post and asked about deleteing it. I want to delete it but I know how poorly that goes over. Give the word that it can go without a kurfuffle and it's gone. I'm trying to work with you here. I'm sorry if it upset you. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	hugsnkisses 2004-01-04 03:29 am UTC (link)
	Oh no, don't delete, never delete! I'm not upset at all and I hope I didn't upset you. It's nice that you want to help out, perhaps you could do so by ferreting out some choice wank ~~apart from this~~ that we could all enjoy. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	tigerlily 2004-01-04 03:31 am UTC (link)
	:P see that's all I needed to know. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	resmiranda 2004-01-04 05:53 am UTC (link)
	But it would be REALLY funny to say to people "READ THE FAQ!" (Or perhaps that would only be funny to dl_anoners...) Of course, it would be far more hilarious if the definitions were wrong or if there WERE no FAQ. How deliciously wanky. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	snacky 2004-01-04 07:24 am UTC (link)
	No real reason to comment, really, except to say: OMG I <3 teh Lady HNK! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ladydewinter 2004-01-06 05:33 am UTC (link)
	I've been here over a year and I still don't get "dead from coke"... maybe it's the Darwin theory, and I'm supposed to die off, but could anyone tell me where it originated? (Reply to this)(Parent)

yadda
2004-01-04 07:30 am UTC (link)

Also chiming in with agreement. I don't we really need a dictionary or whatever in the first place because members are usually very quick to answer newbie questions and it's easy enough to figure out the context of most injokes, if not the origin. A post or community specifically for people to ask questions in might be a good idea though, for the skitish people who think someone will bite their heads off if they ask where "what the shit is this" came from.

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	zana16 2004-01-06 05:35 am UTC (link)
	Where did it come from? --Not-So-Newbie (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	yadda 2004-01-06 05:59 am UTC (link)
	Check this out. (Also the origin of "Bitch, are you for real" I believe). (Reply to this)(Parent)

	lulinda 2004-01-04 02:46 am UTC (link)
	Hmm, I dunno. Like Lady Hnk said, stuff isn't as funny if you have to explain it. (Reply to this)

	pinkrinse 2004-01-04 02:50 am UTC (link)
	I'm not fussy, but I believe people will find their own meanings for things if they really want to. (Reply to this)

triestoohard
2004-01-04 03:02 am UTC (link)

I dunno dude, I mean half (or more than half) the fun of f_w is the inside jokes, and if they're explained they're not really inside jokes anymore. I always though of f_w as one of those communities where you had to be there for the jokes, and if you werent then you either read to catch up, or you more on to the newest thread and make your own jokes. I don't really like the idea of a joke dictionary.

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mpoetess
2004-01-04 03:20 am UTC (link)

I understand the POV of the folks who are saying "It's not funny if you have to explain it ___ times" or "that's why they're in-jokes." I think the suggestion that [essentially] it might make trolling easier has a point too.

But the librarian in me is a sucker for the organization of facts & history. Also, for laziness -- trust me, there's a reason (many) library-type people are anal: because organization means you have to do less work, overall. It's not like these questions *don't* get asked and answered -- they just get asked one at a time, over and over again, by newbies on various threads, sometimes very politely. One place to send them, one URL, instead of typing out an explanation over and over, sometimes one that isn't even agreed upon, could be handy.

The thing that makes me say thumbs up, for whatever my opinion's worth, is that people come and go; the in-jokes (and wank history) stay. Sometimes when asked what a particular phrase means (the beaded dead pony, for instance) there isn't even agreement on exactly what or who started it, unless the original coiner of the term or somebody involved in the original discussion happens to be reading the subthread in which the newbie asks. I have a thing about meanings getting lost with time, which ties into my thing about the LJ and Blurty version of FW, and all the conversation that occurred there, being gone forever too. (And ok, also to the neurosis caused by recently losing my last three years worth of fannish e-mails due to my own stupidity.)

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	chaoskind 2004-01-04 03:30 am UTC (link)
	Aaaaaaaaaaaw, come to my heart, fellow Librarian g I am right now organizing all my passoers and web adresse and such in a paper book in case my puter AND the backup blows up :) No, let me be serious, I like your point you have on order :) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	singe 2004-01-04 04:38 am UTC (link)
	I agree. An explanation page would be convenient and downright hilarious in it's own right! And, Tigerlily, speaking as a Wank Crone from the very beginning, myself... ...Do What You Wanna Do. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	rosalita 2004-01-04 04:57 am UTC (link)
	And ok, also to the neurosis caused by recently losing my last three years worth of fannish e-mails due to my own stupidity. I feel your pain. A few years ago, I lost a couple of years worth of feedback, and I'm still not over it. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2004-01-04 03:58 am UTC (link)
	I think some kind of inside post friends-locked, etc on request would be okay. Hell, people. I wrote an Enthnography paper on us, and it would have helped if there was a person I could have requested it from (which was so much fun...dies). I still cannot find that damn adolfa/coke reference, even though I know what it means. I just want the freaking bookmarks. ;) (Reply to this)(Thread)

ETHNO!?!
(Anonymous)
2004-01-04 09:17 am UTC (link)

You did an ethno here?! *is enthralled* Since my field methods course, I've been toying with looking at various on-line communities, but was unsure of precedent.

What did you use as data? JUST F_W, or sites pointed to as well? And... er... what's your field of study (I'm a socially awkward sociologist, as is obvious).

Or, you know, I could just mind my own beeswax:-)

CJ -- xturtle on LJ

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Re: ETHNO!?!
(Anonymous)
2004-01-04 05:46 pm UTC (link)

I started in a wider circle of wank, namely lj flamewars and ljdrama.org as well, then narrowed it down to just f_w. I had to do an extensive search of the archive as well as drawing sources from my own findings. Everything was either public or posted as public at one time. I was going to interview people for my final paper, which is due in a few weeks, but there's a reeeeally strict policy on human subjects research at the Anthro Dept. at my college, and I opted to draw only from public sources and not do all that paperwork. Self-preservation and all. ;)

I'm Folklore & Mythology, actually (I think that gave me away to a few people) but Ethnography is critical component of half of the final projects/theses there that we have a required course and a semester project. I want to be Clifford Geertz when he writes about cockfighting in "Interpretations." Le sigh.

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	resmiranda 2004-01-04 05:48 pm UTC (link)
	I want to see this paper! I toyed with doing a paper on F_W, but it was only a few months old then, and I want to see what you came up with oh please oh please oh please! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2004-01-05 02:21 am UTC (link)
	As soon as I have the long one done (thr first two being incorporated into the third), I will send it to you guys. ;) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	iris 2004-01-05 08:47 am UTC (link)
	I'd like to see it too, if that's cool. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2004-01-05 09:43 am UTC (link)
	That would be awesome -- sounde like you're in a terribly interesting program. Geertz... I'm forever quoting him. I'm actually packing books right now so that I can spend my mini-vacation finishing my own ethno/interview project. Let us know when you finish! CJ -- xturtle on LJ <-- is there a snazzier way of saying that? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	phosfate 2004-01-04 04:20 am UTC (link)
	Nah. By far the most common question is "What does 'BNF' stand for?" And no amount of already extant lexicons has made a dent in it. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	wankprophet 2004-01-04 04:50 am UTC (link)
	Well, I know what BNF stands for, but what the fuck does WTF stand for? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	phosfate 2004-01-04 07:37 am UTC (link)
	'Want That Freedom.' It's a condensation of the old Net aphorism, "Information Wants to Be Free." _{Is my face still straight?} (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Adjusts a little... wankprophet 2004-01-04 07:46 am UTC (link)
	Okay, there it is, all straight again. Next time, don't use generic glue to affix it. Use C-r-r-a-a-a-a-z-y Glue! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Adjusts a little... phosfate 2004-01-04 07:50 am UTC (link)
	Mnk mnn! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	miome 2004-01-04 05:12 am UTC (link)
	I think a dictionary, with entirely made-up and entirely incorrect definitions, would be hilarious. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	kyuuketsukirui 2004-01-04 06:01 am UTC (link)
	Ooh, I like this idea! And also resmiranda's about telling people to read the FAQ even if there isn't one. I'm not really too keen on it otherwise, though. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	phosfate 2004-01-04 07:38 am UTC (link)
	YES! You're a suuuuuuuper genius! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	eljuno 2004-01-04 09:35 pm UTC (link)
	Stole the words right out of my ~~mouth~~ fingers, missy. You have to stop doing that. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	lots42 2004-01-06 12:11 pm UTC (link)
	I'm willing to help out. Even with my FW battle scars, there's some injokes I don't get (Reply to this)

	erinmiran 2004-01-08 08:56 am UTC (link)
	jesus christ, someone explain the 'dead from coke' thing and i'll be happy. :p (Reply to this)

	(Anonymous) 2004-01-25 12:32 am UTC (link)
	I know I'll get loads of wanky shit for posting this anonymously, but that's just because I can't be arsed setting up an accoung at the moment. Anyway, call me old-fashioned, but isn't all this "no, don't explain the in-jokes to ~~peons~~ newbies" kind of wank in and of itself? (Reply to this)