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Ariel-chan ([info]arielchan) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-01-07 18:19:00


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Entry tags:grudgewank, mod wank, oppression

This wank really bites...
My first wank, and I must say it's wankeriffic.

I've been a member of The Louislist for almost four years now, and Silverhawk, our list owner, has always kept the list as wank-free as possible.

ATTENTION: All members.

I'm unsubscribing from this list. My position as a moderator lasted
for a very short time and for good reason. Below the following are
emails of correspondence between Silver and LegendaireLestat, emails
between Silver and me, and an IM between Silver and April. This
harrassment and ill will toward LegendaireLestat has been going on
for quite some time and it is now that it is coming to a stop.



This Whit person goes on to say she was just defending the honor of one of her friends and Silverhawk has been harassing them and has kicked them all out of the group and that everyone in the group, especially Silverhawk, is sadistic and paranoid.

Then, she posts all the messages that have been exchanged on the subject. Hey L!

I have no idea what is going on. But I have no time to sit and have
to
answer to Serenity and Whit every time I want to reply to your
posts. I know
you're a great person and I've liked reading your posts. But the
constant
second guessing on my part from those two, especially Serenity has
been too
much of a hassel for me. I do not think I should have to sit here
and
explain and re-explain my posts even when I said I thought your
parody was
funny. She even second guessed me on that.

This sort of hassel and harrassment from your friends whenever I
reply to
you is too much stress for me. I am asking you to unsub of your own
accord
or I will remove you myself. I will not ban you. Just unsub you. I
do not
want to sit here anymore and listen to your friends harrass me
afterwards
whenever I post something in reply to you. I can't even thank you
for the
playbill post because I'm afraid Serenity will get back at me and
second
guess me again.

I hope you understand but your friends have made it unbearabley
stressful
for me. It is not your fault. Your friends adore you but they have
created
too much stress for me over you. And it's the only thing I can think
of is
for you to leave.

Best wishes.
SilverHawk


Legendaire's reply: Look, I did not send anyone after you. Franky, I
don't know what this is all about. I'm being banned for something my
friends did without consulting me? So much for fairness, eh?

Legendaire's reply: I am not your enemy. I did nothing to you. I
stay because I enjoy discussing the characters of the novels, not to
antagonize you. If I unsubscribed do you honestly think they'd calm
down? No, they'd raise Hell. And there are others there who speak to
me in private who would be a little upset at my leaving. I did not
cause a thing. I'll tell them to stop fighting my battles for me,
which aren't battles at all, but I won't leave where others have
asked me to stay. I have nothing against you, I never did.

Whenever I'd question it's out of curiosity or to get to know or
understand your way of thinking, not condescension, I stopped asking
you questions because you did not like it. But I only ask them of
people who hold my interest. You never seemed to really understand
that I like you.



Silverhawk continues for quite some time, trying to reason with them. It's rather long and the whole message (members only, but you can of course join temporarily if you want to read it) can he found here.

I must say... I've been on this list 4 years now and this is the first such
incident that I recall and from reading the posts...

Silver, you were courteous and your decisions were understandable. Whit and L
were clearly jumping to conclusions and misunderstanding what you said. Anyone
could see that.

Whit, if you'd just said "Silverhawk's been harassing us" without transcripting
those messages you might have gotten a few people wondering. As it is anyone who
can read can see that you've been severely overdramatic, and those messages just
dug your hole deeper.

I certainly hope this won't disturb the unity of the group or cause a
degeneration into the drama and wank of other fangroups.

That is all.

~*Ariel*~

I'm unsubscribing as well. And so is April. We both believe that
what LegendaireLestat said was not enough to get her kicked from the
group. It's not right to be so immoral and unfogiving over such a
little thing. Legendaire was just speaking her mind, which is
something both April and I love about her, and for that she is
crucified. We stand by whatever she would say because we all know
that she is a good person. But if you can't look past posts that
were proving her point, not being defensive and snotty, then you just
arnt very good people.
I hope you all have a happy life and are sucsessful in whatever and
all that stuff.
goodbye, Sybil and April

Well that was very childish of Whit…

I agree with what ~*Ariel*~ said.
I’ve been here for so long I forgotten what not being here is like. I cant
say I’m saddened by the loss, I’d be a hypocrite if I said I was. But This
group has seen it’s cat fights when it came to difference of opinions, it’s
seen it’s quite times and it’s noisy…
But I’ve never seen it starting to slide into the pit of “click”dom before
that other groups suffer from…

Also never before have I seen anyone turn on Silver, I didn’t think it
possible…
Non of us are angels, but jees

Bane



Yes, I did participate in the wank.

The original message was posted only 1.5 hours ago to a list with 412 members, about 100 of which are active, so the wank is just going to keep coming...

~*Ariel*~



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[info]crickets
2004-01-08 02:50 am UTC (link)
Legendaire's friends are driving Silverhawk crazy, so she wants Legendaire to unsubscribe?

I am asking you to unsub of your own accord or I will remove you myself.

Translates as "Kindly do my dirty work for me."

o_O

Heh, 'the pit of "click"dom' - sounds like a rilly scary sub region of hell, don't it?

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[info]silverthoughts
2004-01-08 03:23 am UTC (link)
It is because she said that if I banned her, she would cry scapegoat. So, I asked her to leave on her own. This has been going on for months. She first harassed me onlist. Then, she sent her friends after me. A person has a limit. She's done this on other lists apparently as that is the e-mail I've been getting now from these people.

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[info]crickets
2004-01-08 05:05 am UTC (link)
My bad, and my sympathies. Thanks for the lengthier explanation below.

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[info]kijikun
2004-01-08 02:59 am UTC (link)
Oohkay...uhm...so what's the point of all this wank?

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[info]rann
2004-01-08 03:47 am UTC (link)
More, what's the point of [info]i_wank if people are going to keep posting wanks they participated in to the main group...?

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[info]arielchan
2004-01-08 05:03 am UTC (link)
I didn't so much participate. I made one post. I talked to a couple people about what was going on off-list. The wanking was mostly coming from Lestat and her friends.

(I'm still trying to figure out what's up with the Serenity-and-Alice person. Are those seperate people, or does this Serenity person just have a second personality?)

~*Ariel*~

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[info]silverthoughts
2004-01-08 03:53 am UTC (link)
That is because most of the wank is found on email and AIM.

Day 1 she joined the list, I typed her name wrong. I typed it Legionnaire instead of Legendaire. She started sending me e-mail after e-mail stating her name was written wrong and that I should publically declare this on list. I told her to go for a walk and take a breather.

From there, it has been ongoing harassment from her until I put her on moderation. But I'm a horribly weak mod and never like to ban people, so I let it go. That was my mistake.

After that day I put her on moderation, her friend Serenity started to harass me. She claimed that Legendaire knew nothing, but Serenity also made it clear that she told Legendaire about our conversations. Out of frustration of being harassed, I took her off moderation. That was my mistake. I should have sucked in a gut and banned her.

From that moment onwards, each and every time I've posted a reply to Legendaire, I was queried and questioned by why I did this or that. Legendaire has a habit of crossposting posts to several lists. Posts that are obviously threads from another group and suddenly posting it here, made no sense. As mod, I asked her to stop. The minute I said that, Serenity questioned why I purposely attacked her. Legendaire has a tendency to post off topic material. The list is large and I always step in and say "off topic. Bring it back." I requested she stop posting off topic posts about tv schedules to some tv show that had nothing to do with the list topic. Serenity then AIM'd me to demand why I attacked her on that. Legendaire has a tendency to reply to a post several times by taking one sentence, replying to that and then doing it again. She then reposts her typos soon afterwards. I've had so many people complain to me about her spamming the list with her poor netiquette that I, again, told her to stop. Serenity again demanded I explain my action. She then claimed she did not believe me when I said other people complain about her posting behavior so I had to produce proof. One day, someone else named Mary told me that Legendaire was on AIM and telling many people that I am a bitch and that I am conspiring with my friends to ban her. This brought an email from Whit who told me to that I was a small minded person to sit around all day and plot to ban someone and that I hope I'm happy for backstabbing Legendaire. When someone from another list spelled Legendaire's name "Legionnaire", I was again harrassed by these people, claiming that I had power and people feared me so they all type Legionnaire after I typed her name wrong once. I don't even know this person who typed her name wrong and this person is also not a part of this list of mine. Which I told her so and she didn't believe me. She then demanded that I write a post reprimanding the entire list for spelling her name wrong and post a public post on my LJ for the entire fandom to read so they spell her name right.

I was told that Legendaire knew everything. And when I said that if she didn't like what was done, she should contact me about it to solve it. She never did and let her friends continue on with this.

Finally, I had it and told her she was going to be banned. She said if she was to be banned she would go and take everything with her. So, out of being tired of any more of this crap, I finally asked her to leave on her own. She then continued to threaten me in email that was not seen here but one section was where she said her friends would wreck havoc. So, I finally just banned her.

Now, her friends (a total of 3 people) are continuing to harass me in which I'm banning each one by one.

A person has a limit. And if I had known I'd finally get my day on this place....I would have banned her a long time ago.

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[info]kijikun
2004-01-08 04:04 am UTC (link)
Ah okay that makes sense. My symapaths unfourntletly this belongs on [info]iwank

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[info]silverthoughts
2004-01-08 04:12 am UTC (link)
*laugh* Yeah, I know.

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[info]rogue
2004-01-08 04:14 am UTC (link)
I dunno - even tho the OP does partake, most of the insanity seems to be coming from Legendair (?) and her sidekick vs Silverhawk (?). If Silverhawk posted it, then yeah, but... seems like it could go either way, really.

[/nitpick]

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[info]rogue
2004-01-08 04:14 am UTC (link)
D'oh. SilverTHOUGHTS. *shame*

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[info]rogue
2004-01-08 04:15 am UTC (link)
...Wait, her icon says SilverHAWK.

OMGWTFAUUGGHHHHHH*DEADFROMSNCONFUSION*

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[info]silverthoughts
2004-01-08 04:31 am UTC (link)
HAHAH!!! My pen name is SilverHawk. I sign everything SilverHawk. But for some wack reason I like to name my LJ and JF silverthoughts. heee

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[info]rogue
2004-01-08 04:35 am UTC (link)
This whack reason being the sick enjoyment you get out of confusing all us poor bastards who don't know you, yes? =P

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[info]silverthoughts
2004-01-08 04:38 am UTC (link)
It's the only way to amuse my bored little soul. ;P

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[info]rogue
2004-01-08 04:40 am UTC (link)
*gives you a Rubik's cube*

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[info]silverthoughts
2004-01-08 04:41 am UTC (link)
*gasp* It's mine. My precious!!!

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[info]alpheratz
2004-01-08 04:20 am UTC (link)
Gah, that's unpleasant. My Y!G banned someone a while ago because the harrassment just wouldn't stop. I'm getting extreme deja vu from your post.

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[info]arielchan
2004-01-08 05:09 am UTC (link)
I personally had a list mod on one of my yahoogroups harass me, but that was actual harassment.

We had differing opinions on several issues, and rather than telling me she disagreed she would inform me that I was wrong and should stop saying such things.

Most of this took place off-list.

One day I was trying to have a normal conversation with her and our families and pets came up. When I told her my father is a deerhunter, she told me flat-out that my father and I were heartless monsters without souls or conscience.

I immediately reported her to the other mod, and she left the list a few weeks later.

Harassment does happen, which is why it ticked me off to see someone accusing Silver.

~*Ariel*~

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[info]nevadafighter
2004-01-08 10:11 am UTC (link)
OTOH, I asked a list member on a fanfic list I mod not to attach entire chapters to her one-line replies as a courtesy to those on digest. Her reply was something along the lines of "maybe I will and maybe I won't if I feel like it" which was the wrong response; I told her I'd put her on moderation if she didn't stop, and she ran to the list owner, claiming I was being SEW MEEN and that she was going to give up writing because I was so horrible to her.

I cried half a tear. Really. It was a tear. A small one.

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[info]crickets
2004-01-08 05:02 am UTC (link)
Wow. Now it makes much more sense. Sorry my first comment was so off the mark. It sounds like these three have been way too busy making pests of themselves. I don't envy anyone who mods a mailing list. Yeesh.

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[info]kristenk2
2004-01-08 05:32 am UTC (link)
Jeez Louise.

I'm hoping she stops on by to check out the wank. Because I'd like to say this:

Legionnaire! Legionnaire! Legionnaire! Legionnaire! Legionnaire!

*g*

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[info]silverthoughts
2004-01-08 06:05 am UTC (link)
*laugh* Actually, one of her emails to me was that her name was LEGENDaire. As in "legendary" and not LEGIONaire which was a legion. I wanted to point out that Legonnaire was the name of a bacterial infection, Legionnaire's disease. But I think that would have made her go even more ballistic on me.

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(Anonymous)
2004-01-08 08:01 pm UTC (link)
*offers soul to Crowley*

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[info]gairid
2004-01-09 12:57 am UTC (link)
I just lurk the Louislist, but LEGIONNAIRE (moohhhahahaa) annoyed the piss out of me. I'm glad you kicked her to the curb, Sil!

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[info]silverthoughts
2004-01-09 04:20 am UTC (link)
heehe....I think she's more pissed off that no one followed her lead and people ended up rejoicing instead.

She sent an email to Marie on the list (who also lurks but posted she didn't understand the slash thing) and told her to die of syphillis. The maturity of these people.

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[info]arielchan
2004-01-09 05:34 am UTC (link)
Die of syphillis?

rotfl I gotta say that's one of the funniest things I've ever heard.

"You don't like me... well die of syphillis! Mwahahaha..."

I find Legionaire much more amusing now that she isn't spamming my inbox.

~*Ariel*~

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[info]gairid
2004-01-10 01:48 am UTC (link)
"She sent an email to Marie on the list (who also lurks but posted she didn't understand the slash thing) and told her to die of syphillis. The maturity of these people."

While it mystifies me when people doen't see the slashiness in VC (at least in the beginning of the series before AR decided that everyone had better become heterosexual or they would not be eligible for canonization), I think wishing death upon them (especially Death by Syphillis!! Whoa!) is perhaps a bit harsh. I think the list is well rid of LEGIONNAIRE!

*looks at above paragraph. Hmmm. Parentheses much?*

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[info]vixen
2004-01-16 10:56 pm UTC (link)
She told her to die of syphilis? thats just...rude..i've been lurking a lot lately, and this is the wankest i have ever seen the Louislist get. in fact, this might be the only wank..i've been a member for..5 years..

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[info]silverthoughts
2004-01-17 05:37 am UTC (link)
*laugh* Some people have no lives.

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