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Lydia B. Slade ([info]lush_rimbaud) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-01-10 17:56:00
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Entry tags:fandom: lord of the rings, interrogating from the wrong perspective, my pretension let me show you it, taking it too seriously

Tolkien is not only racist, but -- this is the Very Very Original Part -- also fascist. Apparently, the idea that Aragorn is the only legitimate ruler of Gondor is the "Fuhrer principle," whatever that means. Also, Denethor is a metaphor for capitalism, and Theoden's possession by Saruman means that the fascist pigs spit upon your constitutional monarchies. Or something. Anyway, lots of fun here.


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[info]rpp
2004-01-11 01:17 am UTC (link)
I love the "disclaimer". Because, really, why bother reading the books? Especially when you can make all sorts of fun assumptions and theories about Tolkien by watching a movie made by some one else!

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[info]meril
2004-01-11 01:18 am UTC (link)
I think I've seen that argument before, over on one of the Usenet Tolkien groups. Back in 1996.

It's still amusing, which is why it's over in Argue Just To See Your Words Onscreen, excuse me, Debate; never fails to drive an argument.

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[info]rann
2004-01-11 01:14 pm UTC (link)
*sees your icon, almost immediately puts the words and Meilin's position in naughty context*
... I've been hanging around on 4chan too long. n.n;

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(no subject) - [info]meril, 2004-01-12 01:48 am UTC
Re: - [info]rann, 2004-01-12 01:53 am UTC

[info]lots42
2004-01-11 01:19 am UTC (link)
Faramir's peril by fire obviously is against govermental forestry control policies!

Okay, no, I just wanted to get in on the paranoia

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[info]munchkinott
2004-01-11 01:27 am UTC (link)
Now I have to say, I didn't like all the extra Arwen scenes either. But I do draw the line at calling Peter Jackson a tool of the Nazi Brotherhood.

'Aerosmith fan', yes.

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[info]iczer6
2004-01-11 01:44 am UTC (link)
The only person who doesn't come off like a complete asshat has to be one that pointed out that Sauron set up his empire in the east because he wanted to be far away from his enemies. Politics change, geography changes, stories don't.

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::Rolls Eyes::
[info]wankprophet
2004-01-11 02:11 am UTC (link)
Since when did trying to impress your "peers" by creating torturously inane interpretations of every piece of art around replace alcohol as the self-esteem booster of choice?

Am I the only one who remembers the days when a keg of Guinness and a couple liters of Maker's Mark were the way to escape having to write stupid essays replete with the sort of sophistry and meaningless natterings that grad school professors love so much?

And that disclaimer...Jesus, kid, shut the hell up and read the damned books before typing. Fandom_Wank Law: Admitting your ignorance does not excuse the products of said ignorance. The second you start out with a disclaimer in this vein, you're already a wanker.

BTW...Denethor was basically a viceroy...does the writer really believe Denethor put things to a vote?

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Re: ::Rolls Eyes::
[info]snacky
2004-01-11 04:07 am UTC (link)
Since when did trying to impress your "peers" by creating torturously inane interpretations of every piece of art around replace alcohol as the self-esteem booster of choice?

No kidding. Maybe we should take up a collection and get the kid high? *g*

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Re: ::Rolls Eyes:: - [info]smo, 2004-01-11 04:34 am UTC
Re: ::Rolls Eyes:: - [info]tempslut, 2004-01-11 08:26 am UTC
Re: ::Rolls Eyes:: - [info]smo, 2004-01-11 07:47 pm UTC
Re: ::Rolls Eyes::
[info]mariagoner
2004-01-11 05:54 am UTC (link)
Since when did trying to impress your "peers" by creating torturously inane interpretations of every piece of art around replace alcohol as the self-esteem booster of choice?

I will love you forever, just for this one line.

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OT - [info]amand_r, 2004-01-11 06:47 am UTC
Re: OT - [info]mariagoner, 2004-01-11 11:11 am UTC
Re: OT - [info]amand_r, 2004-01-11 11:17 am UTC
Re: ::Rolls Eyes::
[info]vasaris
2004-01-11 11:09 am UTC (link)
Obviously! He was clearly elected by the populace of Gondor as dictator for life...

Oops... Dictators don't usually let people vote, do they? My bad.

Too bad they couldn't. If people could vote then obviously Faramir could have said something like 'What the fuck are you smoking dad? Frontal assault when you're outnumbered 100 to one sounds like a positively shitty idea to me... Anyone else with me on that?'

And why doesn't being more-or-less possessed (or at least distracted) by Sauron count, anyway?

Vasaris, who wishes she could have written papers on LOTR when doing the Eng. Lit. survey in high school. It would've beaten the shit out of Lord of the Flies.

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[info]sajasma
2004-01-11 02:15 am UTC (link)
Remember though, geek boy, you're not discussing tolkien.

If anything, you should be discussing jackson and his team of writers.

*snicker!*

Right, because when Jackson sat down to adapt Lord of the Rings, he thought to himself, "You know what? Damn these disgusting capitalist pigs! Heil Hitler!"

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[info]kindest_demon
2004-01-11 03:15 am UTC (link)
I tried to read the whole wank, but I got spooge in my eye at

Also, I normally use a less sexist nomenclature and refer to human beings but the movies talk of 'men' and not 'people' and so in this post I do as well.

and couldn't continue.

Pity. ;)

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[info]elfy
2004-01-12 05:02 am UTC (link)
You must have gitten further than me. I got to I have not and most likely will not read the Lord of the Rings novels as I have very little interest. And pulled the plug. I'm sorry, but I can't be fanged reading a Lotr wank written by someone who can't even be bothered to read the source - yet then tries to debate the content.

OMGWTF?

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Re: - [info]kindest_demon, 2004-01-12 05:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]elfy, 2004-01-12 02:03 pm UTC
Re: - [info]kindest_demon, 2004-01-13 12:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]elfy, 2004-01-13 02:36 am UTC

[info]serai
2004-01-11 04:32 am UTC (link)
When told once, "I have a right to my opinion!", Harlan Ellison replied, "No, sir. You have a right to an informed opinion."

How does one get the unmitigated gall to form such judgmental theories about a work without reading it? And blythely foist those theories onto the world? Does this numbnuts have no sense of shame, or even proportion? That disclaimer didn't just sound clueless - he actually came off as proud of his refusal to encounter the source material. How can someone be proud of an insistence on ignorance?

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(no subject) - [info]gairid, 2004-01-11 05:29 am UTC
Love Harlan - [info]wankprophet, 2004-01-11 05:56 am UTC
Re: Love Harlan - [info]crickets, 2004-01-11 07:11 am UTC
Heh, cool, thanks... - [info]wankprophet, 2004-01-11 08:21 am UTC
Re: Heh, cool, thanks... - [info]valarltd, 2004-01-11 06:57 pm UTC
Re: Heh, cool, thanks... - [info]wankprophet, 2004-01-11 10:06 pm UTC
Stalking the Nightmare - here you go! :) - [info]serai, 2004-01-12 02:50 am UTC
Thanks... - [info]wankprophet, 2004-01-12 11:49 am UTC
Re: Heh, cool, thanks... - [info]serai, 2004-01-12 02:50 am UTC
Re: Love Harlan - [info]rann, 2004-01-11 01:18 pm UTC
Re: Love Harlan - [info]serai, 2004-01-12 02:46 am UTC
Re: Love Harlan - [info]pyratejenni, 2004-01-12 03:12 am UTC
Re: Love Harlan - [info]serai, 2004-01-12 04:29 am UTC
Ever hear about the time he was on The Dating Game? - [info]serai, 2004-01-12 04:32 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-01-12 06:06 am UTC

[info]arien
2004-01-11 05:15 am UTC (link)
First a small disclaimer: I have not and most likely will not read the Lord of the Rings novels as I have very little interest.

*stops reading*

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(no subject) - [info]gairid, 2004-01-11 05:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mariagoner, 2004-01-11 05:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-01-11 06:45 am UTC
No kidding.. - [info]wankprophet, 2004-01-11 08:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mariagoner, 2004-01-11 11:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-01-11 07:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mariagoner, 2004-01-12 12:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-01-12 12:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]beccastareyes, 2004-01-11 07:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]crickets, 2004-01-11 07:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-01-11 07:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-01-11 08:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mindset, 2004-01-11 09:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mariagoner, 2004-01-11 11:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rous, 2004-01-11 12:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-01-11 08:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]wolfsamurai, 2004-01-12 12:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-01-12 05:48 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-01-12 05:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kimera, 2004-01-11 07:49 pm UTC
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[info]gairid
2004-01-11 05:55 am UTC (link)
I had to go and post over there. That guy really put my back up.

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(no subject) - [info]dae, 2004-01-11 04:47 pm UTC

[info]wolfsamurai
2004-01-11 06:16 am UTC (link)
It just makes my head hurt, it really does. I love how he boasts not to have had a public education. It makes me wonder if he's had ~any~ kind of education at all.

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(no subject) - [info]photosinensis, 2004-01-11 08:42 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]kookaburra, 2004-01-12 02:06 am UTC
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[info]crickets
2004-01-11 08:00 am UTC (link)
WeeTanya posts a masterpiece in two parts. King Dead Fish cuts to the marrow in his supportive reply.

And I leave that place with a small but happy smile.

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(no subject) - [info]cleolinda, 2004-01-11 06:34 pm UTC

[info]ladyrogue
2004-01-11 08:56 am UTC (link)
As interesting as I'm sure that entire post was... *snerk* I skipped to the comments. And I must say my favorite comment of all was: You mean it wasn't about gay sex? Ha! So true...

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It is TOO about gay sex!! ;) - [info]serai, 2004-01-12 03:01 am UTC

[info]sagralisse
2004-01-11 09:11 am UTC (link)
Tolkien is not only racist, but -- this is the Very Very Original Part -- also fascist.

Not very original, from what I understand. Italian facists thought of it first. (Unless it's an urban legend.)

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(no subject) - [info]sagralisse, 2004-01-11 09:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]crickets, 2004-01-11 09:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sagralisse, 2004-01-11 06:04 pm UTC
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[info]desperateangel
2004-01-11 05:52 pm UTC (link)
Bwhahaha.

I live in Hungary. If you lay the map of Middle-Earth upon the map of Europe as we know it to date, my country is, ah, somewhere between the fields of Morannon and Gorgoroth. :PPP

Damn you, racist Westerners! :))) Not to mention we get all the waste of Mordor dumped down our necks.

Also, the movie? It's *so* about the gay sex. :P

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Hungary? Well, yes, actually. - [info]deoridhe, 2004-01-11 06:21 pm UTC
Re: Hungary? Well, yes, actually. - [info]desperateangel, 2004-01-11 06:39 pm UTC
Re: Hungary? Well, yes, actually. - [info]smo, 2004-01-11 08:17 pm UTC
Re: Hungary? Well, yes, actually. - [info]desperateangel, 2004-01-11 08:56 pm UTC
Re: Hungary? Well, yes, actually. - [info]smo, 2004-01-11 10:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]valarltd, 2004-01-11 07:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sparkysrevenge, 2004-01-11 10:12 pm UTC
Indeed it is!! (Proof in this link) - [info]serai, 2004-01-12 03:03 am UTC
Re: Indeed it is!! (Proof in this link) - [info]desperateangel, 2004-01-12 10:38 pm UTC
And in case you were wondering - ROTK is NOT about Jesus! (link below) - [info]serai, 2004-01-13 03:51 am UTC

[info]froda_baggins
2004-01-11 09:38 pm UTC (link)
The stupidity is making my head hurt.

That's not even amusing...it's just...very very old.

Get over yourself, kid.

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I love this part...
[info]serai
2004-01-12 03:21 am UTC (link)
[info]visp writes: And for the last time, the story is set in EUROPE therefore you will find white people there.

And his brilliant reply: I'm sorry, I watched all three movies and 'Europe' was never once mentioned. I'm afraid your claim as to setting holds no water whatsoever.

BWAHAHAHAA!! So the fact that every single character in the film speaks with a British accent of one sort or another (well, except Celeborn, but he's just confused) doesn't clue this guy in to the setting at all, eh?

*chortle*

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[info]byagghametta
2004-01-13 01:49 am UTC (link)
Seems we get a new wank to the same effect on a weekly basis around here - "Tolkien meant THIS, for there is proof in the books!" "no he didn't you asshat! here's the apendix counterproof!" (spelling left miserable for the sake of realism).

I think we need a NEWSFLASH: Tolkien Doesn't Care! icon for these things... I'd make one, but enh. My skillz r teh suck. XD

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*clears throat nervously* - [info]kookaburra, 2004-01-13 03:04 am UTC
Re: *clears throat nervously* - [info]byagghametta, 2004-01-13 03:11 am UTC
Re: *clears throat nervously* - [info]kookaburra, 2004-01-13 06:35 am UTC
Re: *clears throat nervously* - [info]byagghametta, 2004-01-13 05:28 pm UTC

  
   
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