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Apathy Incarnate ([info]jaspercat) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-01-13 18:54:00


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Entry tags:fandom: lord of the rings, my pretension let me show you it, taking it too seriously

Newbie, and LOTR Movie Wank
'Lo. *waves* I've been lurking here awhile, but tonight I found a wank of such incredible and hilarious pomposity that it screamed for me to come out of lurking and share. Just for starters, I sort of consider myself an 'old-school' Tolkien fan, and grumbled for a while about things I didn't like in the movies but then, you know, went on with my life. I have a theory that the wankiest wank among LOTR fans is to be found not among fanfic writers but among oldschool fans who can't stop whining about things they didn't like in the movies. And by whining, I don't mean "complaints about feeling like the movies didn't do some characters justice" (coughfaramircough) but rather The Wank That Ate Cincinnati.



I was thinking of writing more commentary on these links, but actually, I found that this person's self-righteous moaning and whining is a lot more amusing than anything I could think of on my own. First of all, there's the fact that s/he has dedicated an entire page to essays on why they hated the movies, including a commentary with screenshots on why the forging of Anduril in ROTK is the wrong way to forge a sword. (Oh, no, wait: these aren't even screenshots from the movie, they're from the trailer.). Then there's their idea on how to "fix" TTT, which mostly consists of camera angles, "fade out here" and "zoom in here" and contains no dialogue.

How much time do you have to have on your hands to waste it putting together 'statistics' like this? Damn, I wish I had that much free time. "From this it can be clearly seen at a glance that this single battle scene — and only a preliminary skirmish in the Ring War, subordinate in the plot of the epic to many other factors — is rated by J/B/W as on a par with the Ringbearer's ordeal, and more important than most of the other elements put together."

"*Frodo: the lower number (ca. 42 min.) reflects the scenes which are book-based, the higher number (ca. 49 min.) is including the invented Osgiliath/Ringwraith scenes.

*Helm's Deep: the higher number (ca. 45 min.) indicates all scenes corresponding (more or less, mostly less) to the chapter of the same name; the lower number (ca. 23 min) indicates all the scenes of the actual assault on the Hornburg."


On TTT Extended Edition:

Now, not being one of those who was able to reconcile myself upon repeated viewings, (because I couldn't bring myself to suffer through another time, not simply parsimony — I have watched a select number of films voluntarily as many as three times on the big screen) — I was obliged to get and watch a copy when the DVD became available, in order to do it justice and not simply rely on possibly faulty recollection.
There was even a faint hope that I had remembered it as being worse than it was.

Alas, that was swiftly dashed. It was torture. It was as bad as I remembered, and worse. The only consolation was that this way I could break it into small, tolerable doses with the remote, and hearten myself with the promise of Shakespeare after.


On why the costumes are all wrong:

This is compounded by the fact that the citizenry of Rohan are shown as Generic Movie Peasants, wearing the generic shabby browns and grays of the typical movie serf (and some Generic Peasant Warts, too), not the bright, almost gaudy colours appropriate to a culture modeled in part on that of the Vikings, whose unisex love of glorious color and well-combed hair is immortalized in such saga heroes as Olaf the Peacock. The costumes of the named characters are too ornate — the heavy quilted, pleated, fussy outfits are most definitely Renaissance, not Age of Migrations — while those of the "extras" are too simple and nondescript.

(Because y'know Tolkien was REALLY writing about actual historical cultures, not adding ANY fantasy elements whatsoever.)

Why the casting is bad:
Everyone here, with a very few exceptions, is too modern-developed-world, too full-faced and unstressed (q.v. Craig Parker/Haldir), lacking the edge of those who live under harder conditions, even today, which shows in old portraits and modern photographs alike. Too bland, and lacking in the aplomb that is needful, the self-possession and keenness of those whose wits are required on a daily basis for doing more than pushing buttons, who know where the meat and milk come from and aren't at a loss as to how bread comes into existence, frex. Even the mundaner souls of the story would not be as clueless as the majority of viewers (and actors) hailing from within the sheltered technological envelope of middle-America and bourgeois Europe — people who believe that an SUV will save them from a prairie blizzard, or don't know what to do when the power to the freezer goes out because of an ice storm, to save their food.

So, in essence, they seem to be saying you can't cast modern actors in this film. That, or you have to go out into the middle of bum-fuck nowhere, find some yahoo who doesn't know what to do with a computer, and stick them in the film as Aragorn. Or something.

And for someone who sets themselves up as knowing so much about historical eras, their attempts to sound "intelligent" are pretty atrocious: "The ones which rip off the most from LOTR are the ones which fail the worst to emulate it, generally" (Editor? Anyone? Please?)

Sprinkled throughout is the insisting that the person at fault really does have a life. "I do have other things to do, after all." Wow. If I had as much time on my hands as that, I could go ahead and make my own film version of Lord of the Rings, or at least a script that didn't consist mostly of directions for camera angles.

Anyway, I can't describe this whole page in any way that does it justice-- it's funnier than anything I can say about it. It goes on and on and on like this. Just go and look for yourself.



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[info]thoms
2004-01-14 05:49 am UTC (link)
...

Okay!

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(Anonymous)
2004-01-14 05:51 am UTC (link)
What really annoys me most about this is the excessive italics and underlines.
*smacks author over the head with STRUNK AND WHITE*
--AMy

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[info]jaspercat
2004-01-14 07:29 am UTC (link)
You noticed that too? I was getting ready to punch in the screen every time I saw another completely unnecessary use of emphasis.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-01-14 08:38 am UTC

[info]snacky
2004-01-14 06:01 am UTC (link)
::whistles::

P@L. Is all I'm saying.

::wanders away::

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[info]jaspercat
2004-01-14 07:45 am UTC (link)
You mean this person has a track record of being wanked? (I guess I'm not surprised, really.) Must browse archives more, then.

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[info]ladysorka
2004-01-14 09:47 am UTC (link)
Oh dear lord. She's back?

I eagerly await the massively pretentious wank.

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[info]clicksong
2004-01-14 06:03 am UTC (link)
Ahahaha, the P@L strikes again!

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[info]anon_3point5
2004-01-14 08:52 am UTC (link)
Please explain, who is this P@L. I do hate being uninformed.

Anon 3.5

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-01-14 09:03 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]kookaburra, 2004-01-16 12:02 am UTC

[info]baskinglizard
2004-01-14 06:18 am UTC (link)
o_O Yikes. That, there, is a seriously obsessive fan. I love the animated storyboard...

Also, 'mundaner' isn't a word.

But I think this is what did it for me:

"I have watched a select number of films voluntarily as many as three times on the big screen..."

ooooOOOOOOOOooooo...*Three* times!!!

*dies*

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[info]sagralisse
2004-01-14 04:25 pm UTC (link)
Voluntarily? So that doesn't count the number of times she was forcibly strapped in to a theater seat with here eyes propped open by those metal eye-openy-thingies, then.

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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-01-14 05:14 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]snacky, 2004-01-14 06:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-01-14 06:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-01-14 07:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-01-14 09:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sagralisse, 2004-01-14 10:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-01-15 05:15 pm UTC

[info]seventy_three
2004-01-14 06:21 am UTC (link)
Urgh. You can tell it's her without even looking. Frankly, I never know what the hell she's talking about because I can't wade through the pompous to get to the actual content.

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[info]loonylupinlover
2004-01-14 06:59 am UTC (link)
*stares*

*blinks*

*pain*

I think my favorite was the bit where they thought Viggo Mortensen would make an excellent Bill Ferny because his face is too scrunchy. That, or maybe the description of Hugo Weaving as playing Elrond as a bipedal frog.

*dies*

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[info]gaisce
2004-01-14 07:17 am UTC (link)
The only consolation was that this way I could break it into small, tolerable doses with the remote, and hearten myself with the promise of Shakespeare after.

How much you want to bet he watched Mel Gibson's "Hamlet" and just had a coronary over the parts they *gasp* *shock* changed?

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(no subject) - [info]sparkysrevenge, 2004-01-14 08:46 am UTC

[info]sajasma
2004-01-14 07:54 am UTC (link)
Gasp! She insulted the Hugo! She obviously has no taste, the pompous bitch.

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(no subject) - [info]jaspercat, 2004-01-14 08:02 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-01-14 08:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]belafarinrod, 2004-01-14 03:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mariagoner, 2004-01-15 09:15 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-01-14 04:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]maureenlycaon, 2004-01-14 05:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jaspercat, 2004-01-14 11:30 pm UTC
Re: Pardon my ignorance - [info]maureenlycaon, 2004-01-15 07:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sparkysrevenge, 2004-01-14 08:46 am UTC

[info]michmatch
2004-01-14 09:14 am UTC (link)
OW... scripts?...OW

and charts? ouch... ow
a whole site? ow, really?? ow

WTF doesn't quite cover it...

My favorite part?
The (many) disappointments of TTT-M, examined briefly (sort of).

If that's briefly, oh god *OW*
My horoscope did warn me not to read today...

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My favorite bit
[info]serai
2004-01-14 10:42 am UTC (link)
"What News From the North, Riders of Rohan?"

Uh, that's "Riders of Rohan, what news from the Mark?"

You know, just like in the BOOK?

ROFPML! Some obsessed fan she is.

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Re: My favorite bit - [info]katsaris, 2004-01-14 10:52 am UTC
Re: My favorite bit - [info]serai, 2004-01-14 11:26 am UTC
Re: My favorite bit - [info]katsaris, 2004-01-14 06:25 pm UTC
Re: My favorite bit - [info]sagralisse, 2004-01-14 06:43 pm UTC
Re: My favorite bit - [info]katsaris, 2004-01-14 07:10 pm UTC
Re: My favorite bit - [info]limyaael, 2004-01-14 07:21 pm UTC
Re: My favorite bit - [info]serai, 2004-01-14 09:54 pm UTC
Re: My favorite bit - [info]sagralisse, 2004-01-14 09:38 pm UTC
Re: My favorite bit - [info]serai, 2004-01-14 09:48 pm UTC
Re: My favorite bit - [info]sagralisse, 2004-01-14 09:57 pm UTC
Eek! A cold shower! - [info]serai, 2004-01-14 11:04 pm UTC
Re: Eek! A cold shower! - [info]sagralisse, 2004-01-14 11:20 pm UTC
Re: Eek! A cold shower! - [info]jaspercat, 2004-01-14 11:21 pm UTC
Re: Eek! A cold shower! - [info]sagralisse, 2004-01-14 11:35 pm UTC
Re: Eek! A cold shower! - [info]serai, 2004-01-15 11:04 am UTC
Re: Eek! A cold shower! - [info]sagralisse, 2004-01-15 03:29 pm UTC
Re: Eek! A cold shower! - [info]serai, 2004-01-15 11:11 am UTC
Oh, and a couple of comments on the above post. :)
[info]serai
2004-01-14 10:53 am UTC (link)
Because y'know Tolkien was REALLY writing about actual historical cultures, not adding ANY fantasy elements whatsoever

Really. Interesting how she doesn't mention the incredible anachronisms Tolkien himself threw together, like hobbits having a postal service. I guess it's perfectly OK for the Professor to cobble up an imaginary world where cultural details don't seem to coincide, but the gods forbid that PJ should take that as a clue that it's ok for him to do the same.

the self-possession and keenness of those whose wits are required on a daily basis for doing more than pushing buttons

Hasn't hung out with many dirt farmers, has she? The reverse snobbery of assuming that people who work the land are sooo much more intelligent and poised than those that, hmph, push buttons is really rather staggering.

or at least a script that didn't consist mostly of directions for camera angles

Heehee! Just let her try and write a script like that. No one in their right mind would give it more than two pages' read. One of the first things a scriptwriter learns is NEVER tell a director where to put the camera! Good scripters imply camera angles without ever specifying. The trick is in wording the descriptions so that the angle becomes obvious in the reader's mind. But then, judging from what she's posted, she'd be hard pressed to come up with anything interesting or original, anyway.

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Re: Oh, and a couple of comments on the above post. :) - [info]sagralisse, 2004-01-14 04:41 pm UTC
Re: Oh, and a couple of comments on the above post. :) - [info]rann, 2004-01-14 06:16 pm UTC
Re: Oh, and a couple of comments on the above post. :) - [info]sagralisse, 2004-01-14 06:19 pm UTC
Re: Oh, and a couple of comments on the above post. :) - [info]sparkysrevenge, 2004-01-15 12:10 am UTC
Re: Oh, and a couple of comments on the above post. :) - [info]mariagoner, 2004-01-15 09:17 am UTC
Re: Oh, and a couple of comments on the above post. :) - [info]kookaburra, 2004-01-16 03:19 am UTC
Re: Oh, and a couple of comments on the above post. :) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-01-14 06:48 pm UTC
Re: Oh, and a couple of comments on the above post. :) - [info]sagralisse, 2004-01-14 07:49 pm UTC
Re: Oh, and a couple of comments on the above post. :) - [info]iczer6, 2004-01-14 08:10 pm UTC
Sagra is tah Winnar!!! - [info]sagralisse, 2004-01-14 09:21 pm UTC
Re: Oh, and a couple of comments on the above post. :) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-01-14 09:30 pm UTC
Re: Oh, and a couple of comments on the above post. :) - [info]jaspercat, 2004-01-14 11:25 pm UTC
Re: Oh, and a couple of comments on the above post. :) - [info]serai, 2004-01-15 11:17 am UTC

[info]belafarinrod
2004-01-14 12:31 pm UTC (link)
Everyone here, with a very few exceptions, is too modern-developed-world, too full-faced and unstressed (q.v. Craig Parker/Haldir)

WTF? He's an elf you idiot! They're supposed to be look youthful seeing as how they're immortal.


I don't know what q.v means, so I might have misunderstood her. In that case, I take back calling her an idi- *re-reads article* No, wait, I don't.

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(no subject) - [info]limyaael, 2004-01-14 04:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]belafarinrod, 2004-01-14 07:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]serai, 2004-01-14 09:57 pm UTC

[info]limyaael
2004-01-14 04:22 pm UTC (link)
In her rant on the ROTK movie, she has this sentence:

Just as, in TTT-M, the in-context plausible way of resolving the crisis was eschewed for something utterly impossible and illogical (the winner of the Aristotle Award for Improbable & Irrational Situation, the Ski-Slope Downhill Cavalry Charge Into Pikes That Miraculously Succeeds Without Broken Necks & Shish Kebabs At The End Of It), instead of having the Forest rising up against Saruman's army, the forces of Life however dangerous triumphing over Negation — we have an ex machina from hell coming to "save" the day in ROTK-M.

Counting the hyphened words as a single word, that sentence is something like 85 WORDS LONG. Worse, I actually agree with part of it (the idea of charging the horses into the Orcs down a really steep hill in TTT), and it took me two minutes and five rereadings to figure that out.

Why do people assume that long sentences and paranthetical notations make writing better? Why? The English teacher inside me is dying a grisly death.

*sob*

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(no subject) - [info]seventy_three, 2004-01-14 04:45 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]crickets, 2004-01-14 07:27 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]limyaael, 2004-01-14 07:16 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]mariagoner, 2004-01-15 09:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]limyaael, 2004-01-15 04:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mariagoner, 2004-01-15 09:20 am UTC
The devil on your other shoulder says... - [info]sagralisse, 2004-01-14 09:18 pm UTC
Re: The devil on your other shoulder says... - [info]iczer6, 2004-01-14 11:55 pm UTC
Re: The devil on your other shoulder says... - [info]sagralisse, 2004-01-15 01:17 am UTC
Re: The devil on your other shoulder says... - [info]diamonde, 2004-01-15 12:45 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]jaspercat, 2004-01-16 05:04 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-01-14 11:04 pm UTC

[info]sagralisse
2004-01-14 05:12 pm UTC (link)
Oh woot! See my involvement with P@L's "deconstruction of TTT" here.)

Basically, she wrote me asking if she could use my TTT transcript, and that she planned to "deconstruct" the movie. However, if it would hurt my ickle feelings, she wouldn't use it.* I wrote back saying she could use it, but she was a loser and a moron so far her analysis of the movies wasn't particularly objective.

She never wrote me back, despite the warning at the bottom of her webpage of her responses to time-wasters. But it doesn't look like she used my site's transcript, either.

*Because, like having someone with such a superior intellect pointing out exactly how the filmmakers pissed on Tolkien's Perfect Story would obviously be a mortal blow to my childlike, movie-loving ignorance.

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(no subject) - [info]sajasma, 2004-01-14 09:02 pm UTC
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(Anonymous)
2004-01-14 07:00 pm UTC (link)
anon f_w lurker submits following LOTR wank to be funnied: http://www.livejournal.com/community/bakshi_lotr/7367.html

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-01-14 10:59 pm UTC
::pats Bakshi fans:: - [info]sagralisse, 2004-01-14 11:31 pm UTC
Re: ::pats Bakshi fans:: - (Anonymous), 2004-01-14 11:58 pm UTC
Re: ::pats Bakshi fans:: - [info]sagralisse, 2004-01-15 12:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sewingmyfish, 2004-01-15 01:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-01-15 02:00 am UTC
Re: - [info]sewingmyfish, 2004-01-15 02:03 am UTC
Re: ::pats Bakshi fans:: - (Anonymous), 2004-01-15 04:46 am UTC

[info]froda_baggins
2004-01-15 06:17 am UTC (link)
What. The. Shit.


Someone needs to get a life. Before she hurts herself with all that overanalyzing.

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[info]thespacecat
2004-01-15 11:12 am UTC (link)
Jesus Christ on a Popsicle Stick.

The crowning moment of this idiots ranting is when she claims that the TT the movie turned Wormtongue into a "cartoonish villain". I'm as big a fan of Tolkien as any sane individual, but Peter Jackson did nothing but ADD to Grima's character. He was far more of a motiveless, cliche evil henchman in the books than he ever was in the movie. If we saw nothing of Grima in the movies except that single tear rolling down his face as he sees the doom Saruman has planned for Rohan, that would still be ten thousand times more character development than Tolkien ever gave him. Someone needs to stop reading Lord of the Rings with rose-colored bifocals.

Also, the Rohirrim broke through the Uruk-hai's line of pikemen at Helm's Deep BECAUSE THEY WERE BLINDED BY THE RISING OF THE SUN. Everyone who complains about this wasn't paying attention. That's why Gandalf arrives at dawn. The Rohirrim reinforcements arrived at dawn in the book as well, so Peter Jackson decided to add some detail there and give a reason for that specific timing, aside from the sheer metaphor value.

Another common complaint I see amongst morons is something like, "In the books, Sauron's death was eerie and evocative, but Peter Jackson just has Mordor implausibly collapse and it's stupid and I don't like it."

Blame Tolkien if you don't like that, not Peter Jackson. Go back and read RotK. The minute Sauron dies, Mordor explodes. Bam. Towers and mountains collapse, lava and ash spew out of Mt. Doom, the Earth cracks and heaves.

I swear to God, one of these days I'm just going to... do something undefined and threatening.

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(no subject) - [info]serai, 2004-01-15 11:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]thespacecat, 2004-01-15 01:02 pm UTC

[info]byagghametta
2004-01-15 04:23 pm UTC (link)
Okay!

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-01-16 09:01 pm UTC
Re: - [info]byagghametta, 2004-01-17 12:52 am UTC


 
   
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