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	(Anonymous) 2004-01-21 11:06 pm UTC (link)
	are they for serious? ...ha. (Reply to this)

skarrow
2004-01-21 11:18 pm UTC (link)

no-wonder the world hate amercians, seeing as they have closed thier tiny minds to the world & can't acept anything thats even slightly different to whats "normal" over there...ive been to japan and lived there for about 10 years before deciding to move back to amercia...but i came back to a load of shitheads who cant aceppt change.

I think the poster is so much more credible because hesheit lived in japan before moving to amercia. Don't you?

(Amercia, amercia, lnad of the feer, hemo of the braev!)

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	Moving O/T, as is my wont: mooncalf 2004-01-22 12:21 am UTC (link)
	Someone (I don't remember whom, and therefore I am a Bad Person) once wrote that a truly inclusive pronoun would be the abbreviated form of 'he or she, it': h'or'sh'it. Quite possibly offensive to the truly generously inclusive and also to those of us with gender issues; however, it still made Dr Pepper come out my nose. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Moving O/T, as is my wont: erik 2004-01-22 04:26 am UTC (link)
	snorts, gets Mountain Dew up nose No, actually it's particularly funny to people with gender issues, because we have to witness the gender-neutral-pronoun wankery on a regular basis. I'll have to remember that... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Moving O/T, as is my wont: naeelah 2004-01-22 07:03 am UTC (link)
	i just wanted to send icon love. very funny. :) but I do agree-- the gender neutral debate can get very wanky, and that inclusive pronouns is very funny... It's tempting to try to work it into one of my next assignments, but this term I don't think I have professors that would appreciate it... (Reply to this)(Parent)

	feenix 2004-01-21 11:30 pm UTC (link)
	I think the OP was just trying to invent a word. And...GOD I love anime fans. We never fail to bring home the wank when we're criticized. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	smo 2004-01-21 11:37 pm UTC (link)
	And sometimes even when we're not. (Reply to this)(Parent)

virago
2004-01-21 11:57 pm UTC (link)

...when we're criticized, when anyone questions our tastes, when anyone questions the superiority of anime/otaku/Japan in general, when someone dares question the ship of choice, when anything airs anywhere or is exposed to more than two people, when anyone mentions the "-ub" words, when there's porn involved, when there's not enough porn involved, when there's the "wrong" kind of porn involved, when anyone says series x is adjective y, when the wind is blowing in a southeasterly direction, in our sleep... yeah.

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	panthea 2004-01-22 01:23 am UTC (link)
	Icon love! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	virago 2004-01-22 07:24 pm UTC (link)
	Heh. Thank you. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	electricchick 2004-01-22 03:45 am UTC (link)
	I tried to come up with something to add. And couldn't. XD That, right there, is the ultimate definition of anime fandom. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	continued... virago 2004-01-22 07:30 pm UTC (link)
	There's also whining about how all female characters degrade women and manga vs. anime wars and... Oh, there's bottomless potential for complaining and getting worked up about absolutely nothing. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	smo 2004-01-22 05:02 am UTC (link)
	Don't look now, but that icon might actually make me not hate Yuki Eiri. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	virago 2004-01-22 07:45 pm UTC (link)
	Awww, how can you not like him? He insults everybody for no reason, cheats on his fiancee, jerks Shuichi around emotionally, and if I'm not mistaken, starts drinking first thing in the morning. ...somehow I like this character. What is my problem? I must have a thing for dysfunction. Besides, he's got pretty hair. ;) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	iczer6 2004-01-22 08:32 pm UTC (link)
	[cheats on his fiancee,] And this is bad because.... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

virago
2004-01-22 09:05 pm UTC (link)

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iczer6
2004-01-22 11:16 pm UTC (link)

Hey now, even if she is an evil evil GUUUUUUURL and has teh girl cooties OMG (and frankly I don't think they should have been engaged in the first place, from what we see about both of them), I still think it was pretty obnoxious to cheat on her, because I think it's obnoxious to cheat on anyone.

Well I never considered it 'cheating' because it was pretty obvious that Yuki wasn't going to marry her, and that the engagement was their parents idea not their's.

I mean if he had actually proposed to her then yeah I'd think he was a jackass.

[She irked me due to her whole 'Hi we've never actually met but I love you because my parents told me to' shitck.]

(but she gets the Mighty Mullet as a consolation prize, so I can't really feel sorry for her. Trading up, girlfriend, trading up.)

True. God knows it could've been a lot worse.

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	virago 2004-01-26 06:15 pm UTC (link)
	Hm, yeah, point. I still considered it an agreement of sorts, but there was no emotional weight behind it, that much is clear. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	smo 2004-01-22 11:46 pm UTC (link)
	And he drinks Budweiser, too. [/beer snob] He is indeed pretty, and I like him when he's actually being nice and/or affectionate and/or protective. It's just... gah. Brother man's got issues. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	virago 2004-01-26 06:17 pm UTC (link)
	Indeed. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	puipui 2004-01-22 06:50 am UTC (link)
	You make a wonderful point, from which I was completely distracted by your icon. YUKIxCIGARETTES OTP! OMGtheirloveissoSMOKY!!!1! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	virago 2004-01-22 07:51 pm UTC (link)
	Thank you. (So not Freudian at all, no sir!) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	mooncalf 2004-01-22 05:20 am UTC (link)
	Hey! I resent that! I did not bring home this wank, it followed me home! ... can I keep it? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Quote from the original definition: yadda 2004-01-21 11:40 pm UTC (link)
	"Social scientists such as myself..." Somehow I doubt that man has ever been to social scientist school. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	Re: Quote from the original definition: (Anonymous) 2004-01-22 12:06 am UTC (link)
	As an actual social scientist (sociologist -- you should see some of the SS wank between disciplines), I laughed my ass off at that. CJ yeah, I'll go make that JF account now... it'll be xturtle, most likely (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Quote from the original definition: split 2004-01-22 12:46 am UTC (link)
	Where does this guy gather his sample data? From the internet? That's hardly scientific. How dare he calls himself a scientist? Another sociology major here, though I won't call myself a sociologist yet. The definitions are certainly amusing. :D (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Quote from the original definition: schuldig 2004-01-22 04:53 am UTC (link)
	The problem with sociology is that everyone thinks they're an expert on it because they're part of society. :) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Quote from the original definition: split 2004-01-22 05:43 am UTC (link)
	What? Don't you know that sociologists are actually social workers in training? LOL. There are tons of misconceptions about social science disciplines. But it's okay - the psychologists and anthropologists and historians are down here with us, suffering together. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Quote from the original definition: deoridhe 2004-01-22 06:30 am UTC (link)
	I have to physically restrain myself any time people say "x causes y" in terms of psychology to keep from an endless spew of wank. Yes, yes, the psychologists feel your pain. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Quote from the original definition: split 2004-01-22 07:14 am UTC (link)
	Oh yes. If someone were to give me a buck every time someone spew about social science non-sense in front of me, I'd be very rich now! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Feeling your pain yo necronomist 2004-01-23 10:46 pm UTC (link)
	People also think they're an expert on language because they talk. Tara, BS in linguistics, trying to accept the fact that fangirl Japanese will slowly become part of the English language, because the English language is a whore, Trebek! (Reply to this)(Parent)

Re: Quote from the original definition:

xturtle
2004-01-22 05:03 am UTC (link)

Meh, if he were doing internet research, it'd be a great place to sample (ie internet subcultures). But the whole using a stereotype as an acceptable characterization of a group bit utterly destroyed my suspension of disbelief for the "social scientist" claim.

CJ,
who has gotten herself an account, and figures that after two years of hell masquerading as grad school, with no end in sight, she's damn well gonna claim the title:-).

PS In what areas of soc do your interests lie?

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	Re: Quote from the original definition: split 2004-01-22 05:39 am UTC (link)
	In what areas of soc do your interests lie? Crime and deviance. The twisted, the unbalanced ...it tickles my fancy in a weird way. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Quote from the original definition: xturtle 2004-01-22 05:42 am UTC (link)
	grin My undergrad is in criminology. I dig it:-) My interests have altered slightly now, but crim still tickles my fancy occasionally. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: Quote from the original definition: deoridhe 2004-01-22 06:32 am UTC (link)
	Ooo, I'm a forensic science and psychology buff (though I've yet to wrangle my way into a course on it, damn it, besides Abnormal Psych). Any recommendations on reading materiel/sources/etc? I'm most fascinated by Dissociative Identity Disorder and Antisocial Personality Disorder. Well, those and serial killers. coughs (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Quote from the original definition: split 2004-01-22 07:05 am UTC (link)
	I'd imagine the psychology and sociology text on the area will be very different. So I probably can't help you there. :) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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deoridhe
2004-01-22 03:35 pm UTC (link)

Actually, that's why I asked. 8) I know a lot of the psych takes on stuff, but I know very little about the sociological take. Personally (as a semi-psychologist) I like to know as many different takes on people's mental health as possible; first of all it keeps one from getting stuck within a paradym that doesn't always workd, and second of all it;s interesting! So if you know of any good books on the sociological impact of forensic/criminal matters, I'd love to know what they are!

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Re: Quote from the original definition:

split
2004-01-23 10:08 am UTC (link)

My area really doesn't touch on indivduals that much. If you want to check out some soci text, I'll suggest:

The Embodied Mind: Cognitive Science and Human Experience.
Francisco J. Varela, Evan Thompson, and Eleanor Rosch
Cambridge: MIT Press. 1993.

The Physics of Consciousness: Quantum Minds and the Meaning of Life
Evan Harris Walker. Cambridge: Perseus Press. 2000.

Sleeping, Dreaming, and Dying: An Exploration of Consciousness with the Dalai Lama. Francisco J. Varela (Ed.). Boston: Wisdom Publications. 1997.

Hope it helps!

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(Anonymous)
2004-01-22 01:11 am UTC (link)

Hm. Excuse an annonymous poster for butting in here, but isn't the original post pretty wanky in itself? Several of the traits he lists aren't even exclusively connected to anime: Being a virgin? Collecting swords? I mean, what do those have to do with anything? I'd like to see him back up that assertion that anime refers to "shallow, saccharine and intellectually insulting animation shows", too.

Not like he ever will, though.

John Yik
www.livejournal.com/users/john_yik

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	pirotess 2004-01-22 01:35 am UTC (link)
	Heh, arguments such as these never fail to make my eyes glaze over. Though I must admit, I know someone who fits the descriptions in the OP - but he's not white! This is mostly my job speaking, but Totally Spies is made in France... and Radiohead sure are a long "strobe-flash trend" by now. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	Ha zbloodyxkissesa 2004-01-22 02:01 am UTC (link)
	Those definitions were hiliarious...but not as funny as the people's obvious ignorance. Ha...it's just too much. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2004-01-22 02:01 am UTC (link)
	I've never heard of this term. Must be an American thing (he he). I like the definition concerning the term otaku. Had a long discussion at dinner last night about this term, and a table of 8 of us (2 japanese, the rest of us japanese speakers to one degree or other) finally settled on the definition of "obsessed idiot nerd". Takada Inmate (Reply to this)(Thread)

	smo 2004-01-22 04:40 pm UTC (link)
	obsessed idiot nerd I would put that on a t-shirt. And wear it. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	fandom_biatch 2004-01-22 02:50 am UTC (link)
	Many years ago, before Dragonball Z because the "big thing" in North America, I was on my way to becoming an Blackanese (my definite is the same as Wapanese only with a Black person). Then I saw the hack job that was done on the translation, got pissed and got a life. (Reply to this)

erik
2004-01-22 04:37 am UTC (link)

I think my eyes were playing ping-pong on the last couple pages there with all the ohsosubtle arguments between the contributors... thus, we finally get a dictionary definiton for 'wapanese:'

wapanese: adj. 1. Those stupid, wannabe, dorky fags, including but not limited to anyone enrolled in a Japanese class, anyone who has ever had even a passing interest in anime, and anyone who has ever admitted that any part of Japanese culture is "cool." 2. Those stupid, dorky, fat wannabe-Japanese people who give all anime a bad name because obviously the writer of this definition isn't as obsessed as they are. 3. A term invented by the mindless, prejudiced voids of society to impose caste-like social outcast status on us, the noble devotees of Japanese culture.

... think it'll make the Oxford English dictionary?

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	ladybirdsleeps 2004-01-22 01:36 pm UTC (link)
	I wonder if they think I'm trying to be Russian by studying the language and admitting that Gogol rocks my socks. If not: hello, double standard! (Reply to this)(Parent)

lampbane
2004-01-22 07:24 am UTC (link)

Urban Dictionary is great for so many wanks. Like...

"Fanboy: Stupid 10-15 year old males who use AOL and worship one particular game system.
They are one of two (or both) things:
1. Too poor to own all 3 major gaming systems, so bashes the other 2 to make himself feel better.
2. Incredibly insecure and pathetic as the only thing he has to stand up for is what video game system he prefers.

My only personal bias is against the PS2's shitty hardware that lacks anti-aliasing and also constantly breaks. This is unfortunate as some of the best games out there are on it.

Fanboys are annoying and ignorant"

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	musicdiamond 2004-01-22 03:36 pm UTC (link)
	Wow. I love your icon. Old Skool, yo. (Reply to this)

	mariagoner 2004-01-22 06:13 pm UTC (link)
	Huh. I don't like the term "wapanese" because it seems to indicate that only caucasion men can become otaku scary nerd idiots. People of all other nationalities and genders can be just as stupid and obsessed, damn it! (Reply to this)