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Icz ([info]iczer6) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-02-10 21:45:00
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Oh just change the name to Fanfic-WHINE and get it over with
http://www.livejournal.com/community/fanficrants/205105.html

Someone posts to Fanficrants complaining about how they're not getting enough crit for their fics.

Other posters, myself included, point out that hey maybe asking strangers online for advice in improving your work isn't the best of ideas.

Wank on all sides ensues.

Watch Tear_Priestess as she compare reviewing to catatonic schizophrenia!


Icz

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[info]pet
2004-02-11 05:23 am UTC (link)
Er, hate to be all nitpicky here, but since you're hip deep in the spooge deeply involved in the debate at hand, wouldn't this be better posted to I_wank?

Feel free to let me know if I'm completely misunderstanding the concepts, here.

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One more time
[info]iczer6
2004-02-11 05:45 am UTC (link)
{Feel free to let me know if I'm completely misunderstanding the concepts, here.}

Okay I'll be literate this time.

I won't deny I was 'wanking along with Mitch' but I wasn't alone, and I like attention.

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Re: One more time - [info]rikoshi, 2004-02-11 07:44 am UTC

[info]iamtheenemy
2004-02-11 05:48 am UTC (link)
SAY ANYTHING!! MY BOYFRIEND LLOYD DOBBLER! *dies of extensive icon love*

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[info]ignorant_bliss
2004-02-11 06:24 pm UTC (link)
The funny thing is, I swear this was originally posted in i_wank. and then later it was moved here.

Your logic does not resemble our Earth logic.

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[info]kindest_demon
2004-02-11 05:26 am UTC (link)
Wow, everyone's spooging right along there, including you. *wipes off monitor*

Next customer please!

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[info]kannaophelia
2004-02-11 05:37 am UTC (link)
Oh just change the name to Fanfic-WHINE and get it over with

Oh, yeah. That's just why I have that comm friended. The trainwreck effect, and all the most annoying fan behaviour gathered for my benefit. I agree this would be better off in , but I'm enjoying it anyway. The sheer beauty of passive aggression:

Oh, so you're saying you don't want decent authors with poor self-esteem to keep writing! Thanks for telling me. I'll be sure to pass that on.

Heavens, whyy doesn't she just do what I do, and whine, blackmail and guilt trip people into feedbacking?

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[info]smo
2004-02-11 06:53 am UTC (link)
Or pimp her fics shamelessly, like I do?

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[info]rikoshi
2004-02-11 07:13 am UTC (link)
It was more trainwrecky, in a way, back when you had maxi_the_pirate posting 8 times a day, "OMG I HAET THIS FIC LOOKERS CLICKY!!!!!11"

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-02-11 07:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rikoshi, 2004-02-11 07:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]virago, 2004-02-11 03:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]aruru, 2004-02-11 09:57 am UTC
maxi_the_pirate. - (Anonymous), 2004-02-11 03:32 pm UTC
Re: - [info]kannaophelia, 2004-02-11 03:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eiviiaru, 2004-02-11 05:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rikoshi, 2004-02-11 07:58 pm UTC

[info]starza
2004-02-11 05:44 am UTC (link)
On one hand, it is sort of annoying to get reviews you can't even read (I've gotten several reviews on FF.net that I couldn't even understand). A problem is if the author gets nothing but good reviews and someone comes along and rips them another butthole or even gives them SOME sort of C&C, they can get upset over it and not be prepared. Seen that happen to several authors, who's writings are pretty good, but could use some C&C. They liked the fic and suggested ONE thing that could use improvement and the author jumped on them with their friends.

But on the other, one review is better than no review at all. Just a 'I liked your fic' is fine for me, although I would rather have C&C. But if they find nothing wrong, what are you going to do, harass them to kingdom come? Just post your fic to multiple places besides FF.net, eventually, someone will give you a C&C.

Funny part was when someone suggested showing their fics to their teachers. Yeah, I'm going to give my creative writing professor a nearly 30k word male/male story with explict sex in it. I'm sure she would just love reading that. @_@ Or the smaller wank piece I wrote. Or the NCS fic I wrote a while back. I'd think she would pass out knowing I wrote male/male slash, period. :X

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-02-11 05:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]liarliar, 2004-02-11 07:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kindest_demon, 2004-02-11 07:37 am UTC
Re: - [info]liarliar, 2004-02-11 07:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-02-11 05:31 pm UTC
Re: - [info]liarliar, 2004-02-11 07:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-02-11 07:42 pm UTC
Re: - [info]liarliar, 2004-02-11 07:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-02-11 07:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - winterfox, 2004-02-12 01:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-02-12 04:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-07-17 03:55 am UTC
Re: - [info]kindest_demon, 2004-02-11 07:51 pm UTC
Re: - [info]liarliar, 2004-02-11 08:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rikoshi, 2004-02-11 07:57 am UTC
(no subject) - tocomfortyou, 2004-02-11 09:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rikoshi, 2004-02-11 09:23 am UTC
(no subject) - tocomfortyou, 2004-02-11 09:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]crickets, 2004-02-11 08:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-02-11 02:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-02-11 11:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-02-11 07:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - winterfox, 2004-02-12 01:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-02-11 02:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pradaloz, 2004-02-11 10:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]amand_r, 2004-02-11 05:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rikoshi, 2004-02-11 07:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dawnswalker, 2004-02-11 11:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-02-11 02:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sagralisse, 2004-02-11 05:59 pm UTC
Re: - [info]amand_r, 2004-02-11 03:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2004-02-11 06:50 pm UTC
Re: - [info]amand_r, 2004-02-12 03:22 am UTC
Re: - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2004-02-12 02:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-02-11 08:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kaiser_chan, 2004-02-11 11:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - tocomfortyou, 2004-02-11 09:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sagralisse, 2004-02-11 06:01 pm UTC

[info]rikoshi
2004-02-11 07:09 am UTC (link)
*looks at [info]tear_priestess*

Jesus Christing Fuck! Press F5 much, Wanky McWankerson?

And honestly... isn't there some award or medal that you get for comprising 80% of the total wank in a multi-user wank of this caliber?

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(no subject) - [info]littleshebear, 2004-02-12 08:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kannaophelia, 2004-02-12 03:26 pm UTC
Re: - [info]rikoshi, 2004-02-12 06:04 pm UTC

[info]sarajayechan
2004-02-11 07:59 am UTC (link)
I rather like that community. But I won't deny that it gets pretty damned wanky, not to mention a lot of the same topics have been done to death. (And I admit, I've been guilty of NOT helping the matter)

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[info]sagralisse
2004-02-11 08:06 am UTC (link)
If having the slobbering devotion of illiterate fangirls is wrong, I don't want to be right.

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(no subject) - [info]rann, 2004-02-11 11:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]murmur, 2004-02-12 02:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sagralisse, 2004-02-12 03:38 am UTC

[info]nessa_t
2004-02-11 09:58 am UTC (link)
I never thought there would be a day when someone would flip just because other people "liked" their story. What a brat.

But s/he did have one valid point though. The amount of reviews is certainly no indication of the quality of work done. *shudders*

And BTW... isn't Whine and Rant the same? [/teasing tone]

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(no subject) - [info]rikoshi, 2004-02-11 10:32 am UTC
Re: - [info]nessa_t, 2004-02-11 01:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]snacky, 2004-02-11 04:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]croik, 2004-02-11 03:14 pm UTC
Re: - [info]nessa_t, 2004-02-11 06:06 pm UTC
Narcissistic Much?
(Anonymous)
2004-02-11 10:45 am UTC (link)
Am I the only one who love the line "Catatonic schizophrenics don't usually do or say much"? I had this flashback to Manhattan: "We just think of her as quiet."

-rl7

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Re: Narcissistic Much? - (Anonymous), 2004-02-11 12:02 pm UTC
Re: Narcissistic Much? - [info]sagralisse, 2004-02-11 06:06 pm UTC
Re: Narcissistic Much? - (Anonymous), 2004-02-11 07:53 pm UTC
Help! How do I get to the Invite Code Screen? - [info]sagralisse, 2004-02-11 08:08 pm UTC
Re: Help! How do I get to the Invite Code Screen? - [info]crickets, 2004-02-11 08:27 pm UTC
Re: Help! How do I get to the Invite Code Screen? - [info]sagralisse, 2004-02-11 08:36 pm UTC
Re: Help! How do I get to the Invite Code Screen? - [info]crickets, 2004-02-11 08:43 pm UTC
Re: Help! How do I get to the Invite Code Screen? - [info]sagralisse, 2004-02-11 08:45 pm UTC

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Re: So much Icon lust - [info]sagralisse, 2004-02-12 12:45 am UTC
Re: Help! How do I get to the Invite Code Screen? - [info]apoplexia, 2004-02-12 11:43 am UTC
Re: Help! How do I get to the Invite Code Screen? - [info]sagralisse, 2004-02-12 05:23 pm UTC
Re: Help! How do I get to the Invite Code Screen? - [info]apoplexia, 2004-02-12 06:00 pm UTC
credit in icon keywords - [info]sagralisse, 2004-02-12 06:07 pm UTC
Re: credit in icon keywords - [info]apoplexia, 2004-02-12 06:24 pm UTC
Re: credit in icon keywords - [info]sagralisse, 2004-02-12 07:04 pm UTC
Re: credit in icon keywords - [info]apoplexia, 2004-02-12 07:50 pm UTC
OT and now bad jokes! - [info]sagralisse, 2004-02-12 07:53 pm UTC
credit in icon keywords - [info]sagralisse, 2004-02-12 06:14 pm UTC

[info]dawnswalker
2004-02-11 11:45 am UTC (link)
Actually, I can see where the OP is coming from, in that she probably wants to know what reviewers liked about her fics, or whatever. Yet the whole "WHY ARE THEY NOT REVIEWING RIGHT?" thing...

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(no subject) - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-02-11 02:17 pm UTC

[info]maryavatar
2004-02-11 03:04 pm UTC (link)
I kinda saw her point for a few minutes, then I got deeper into the comments and felt the need to break out the floatation devices before I ran the risk of drowning in spooge.

I snark about incoherant feedback myself, but I don't tell people how to FB or review. That's wanky all by itself. My attitude is that anyone can bitch as much as they want but as soon as they start telling people to modify their behaviour, they lose any sympathy they might previously have had.

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-02-11 07:15 pm UTC
Here's an idea....
[info]croik
2004-02-11 05:34 pm UTC (link)
If there are so many people at fanficrant that are desperate for long, thoughtful reviews...why don't they just ask each other? ^^;; Or a new community where the rules are "Say something intelligent or nothing at all"? Since it seems to be a common complaint, none of them should have a problem offering thoughtful comments.

That somehow seems more productive that just ranting about it....

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Re: Here's an idea.... - [info]aloysius, 2004-02-11 07:18 pm UTC
Re: Here's an idea.... - [info]croik, 2004-02-11 07:21 pm UTC
Re: Here's an idea.... - [info]liarliar, 2004-02-12 04:30 am UTC
Re: Here's an idea.... - [info]sagralisse, 2004-02-11 07:58 pm UTC
Re: Here's an idea.... - [info]croik, 2004-02-11 09:01 pm UTC
Re: Here's an idea.... - [info]sagralisse, 2004-02-11 09:10 pm UTC
Re: Here's an idea.... - [info]sagralisse, 2004-02-11 09:10 pm UTC
Re: Here's an idea.... - [info]croik, 2004-02-11 11:16 pm UTC
Re: Here's an idea.... - [info]sagralisse, 2004-02-12 02:19 am UTC

[info]eiviiaru
2004-02-11 06:06 pm UTC (link)
I feel sad inside that Glazius, of all people, also threw down on that thread and got swallowed by the spreading wank. Pearls before swine, man, pearls before swine...

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(no subject) - [info]julia, 2004-02-12 02:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eiviiaru, 2004-02-12 02:49 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-02-12 08:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eiviiaru, 2004-02-12 11:12 pm UTC

[info]big_bad_wolf
2004-02-11 06:53 pm UTC (link)
Kind of think the OP has a point, especially when I keep getting reviews from a finished fic going "OMG UPDATE" or "HERMIONE'S NOT A LESBIANONEOIDRGHWPURGQ!", but you know, illiterate fanweasels are just a cross people have to bear, particularly if you're dumb enough to post to the Pit of Voles and expected intelligent reviews.

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I_wank -- use it
[info]sagralisse
2004-02-11 07:22 pm UTC (link)
Jesus, I read part of the [info]tear_princess thread. Vicious much?

Yah, we know that she's probably not going to get feedback that seems at all consistent with the amount of effort she put into her writing. Hardly anyone ever does. Yah, saying that it's frustrating to write and not get feedback is probably not going to help anything. It's a very common frustration, she's not special. Yah, it's a hard, cruel internet and nobody cares enough to help her find her strengths and weaknesses. We know that.

But all the shrieking is a bit much. You come off like "Oliver Twist has asked for more!"

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Re: I_wank -- use it - [info]iczer6, 2004-02-11 07:28 pm UTC
Re: I_wank -- use it - [info]sagralisse, 2004-02-11 07:51 pm UTC
Re: I_wank -- use it - [info]iczer6, 2004-02-11 07:52 pm UTC
Re: I_wank -- use it - [info]sagralisse, 2004-02-11 08:06 pm UTC
Re: I_wank -- use it - [info]iczer6, 2004-02-12 12:53 am UTC
You're right, but... - [info]kannaophelia, 2004-02-12 03:56 pm UTC
all can be mended - [info]sagralisse, 2004-02-12 05:27 pm UTC
Re: all can be mended - [info]kannaophelia, 2004-02-12 05:51 pm UTC
Re: all can be mended - [info]sagralisse, 2004-02-12 06:04 pm UTC
Re: all can be mended - [info]kannaophelia, 2004-02-12 06:15 pm UTC

[info]mynxkittie
2004-02-11 09:51 pm UTC (link)
Quoting my friend, because I had a ramble on feedback just a few days ago in my own journal:

anyone who thinks that adequate feedback to their story must have an abstract, introduction, body, conclusion and footnotes needs to come back to reality.

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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-02-11 10:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2004-02-12 02:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-02-12 04:18 pm UTC
Re: - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2004-02-12 05:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cleolinda, 2004-02-11 11:05 pm UTC
Beta-ing - [info]deoridhe, 2004-02-11 11:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-02-11 11:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-02-11 11:11 pm UTC

[info]morganya
2004-02-12 09:19 am UTC (link)
And I want you to give examples of these superhuman people that can do something just because they love it.

Hahahaha. Ahahaha.

"Goddamnit, it's so hard to enjoy this! If only there was a way for me to whine and moan about my enjoyment! Oh, why won't my heart bleed the bleeding purple piss, why, why, why?"

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-02-12 09:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kannaophelia, 2004-02-12 03:29 pm UTC

[info]virago
2004-02-12 06:25 pm UTC (link)
Catching up, I finally read the entire tears_priestess part, and dear god was that nauseating. I want to slap her parents silly for raising such a self-obsessed, whiny, the-world-owes-me-what-I-want, I-know-it-all-because-OMG-I-took-Intro-to-Psych brat. Because I can only imagine that this little twit has been fussed over her entire life, thus breeding this idea that you shouldn't do anything unless people fawn over you, and you certainly don't ever have to do anything that isn't fun! Heavens!

I feel sorry for everyone who knows Little Miss Poster Child of Everything That's Wrong With Our Generation, either online or (oh, perish the thought) in real life.

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[info]faultypremise
2004-02-12 07:05 pm UTC (link)
Just a little thought, here. While yeah, the poster was probably asking for waaaaaaay too much from a place like FFN, fanficrants is only as good as its members will make it.

Meaning you're a part of the problem, and part of the reason why I'd rename it to fanfic-whine.

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[info]quinctia
2004-02-13 09:12 am UTC (link)
Who the hell doesn't know that one liners are people letting you know that your story was actually read?

I'm perfectly happy with those.

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