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	eljuno 2004-02-19 09:07 pm UTC (link)
	WORLD WAR ONE, DAMMIT! LIBERTY CABBAGE IS WORLD WAR ONE!!! SAME AS KAISER ROLLS! (Reply to this)(Thread)

	smit 2004-02-19 09:10 pm UTC (link)
	omg!!!!!111!!eleven! you are so smart!!!! you get the star!!!! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	eljuno 2004-02-19 09:12 pm UTC (link)
	Yay! Star for me! STICKS IT ON HIS FOREHEAD! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	pooka 2004-02-19 09:11 pm UTC (link)
	I'm done playing w/ you-My friends are waiting for me at the martini bar. I gave up right about there. (Reply to this)

	roz_mcclure 2004-02-19 09:29 pm UTC (link)
	whew-always like stirring up a hornets nest w/ the tree-huggers Hot damn, I tell ya. Fucking hippies. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	phosfate 2004-02-19 09:42 pm UTC (link)
	Always tellin' me I wrong when I am. And they smell. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: roz_mcclure 2004-02-19 09:53 pm UTC (link)
	Not to mention all the granola eating. (Reply to this)(Parent)

phosfate
2004-02-19 09:41 pm UTC (link)

As usual, the average citizen TOTALLY mis-read the post and did nothing but waste valuable computer time in their comment (although I do have to say-there were many that had some wonderful points & I took notice-Thanks for the opinions in that regard).

"You wasted time pointing out I was WRONG even though I READ IT AND AGREE I WAS WRONG but you DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND IT and I AM BETTER."

It's like I have a twin!

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funkyhelix
2004-02-19 09:44 pm UTC (link)

*makes warding sign, and heads for nearest bombshelter*

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	phosfate 2004-02-19 09:49 pm UTC (link)
	You only flee becuase you're ~~sensible~~ a plebe. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	yadda 2004-02-19 10:10 pm UTC (link)
	But which one is the good twin and which one is the evil twin? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sagralisse 2004-02-19 09:52 pm UTC (link)
	Why won't people learn to shut up in the comments? Every time the OP responds, it's as good as saying "Tell me again how you think my opinion is moronic... pretty please!" (Reply to this)(Thread)

	pooka 2004-02-19 10:00 pm UTC (link)
	But she's getting attention!!! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sagralisse 2004-02-19 10:09 pm UTC (link)
	Oh. Well. I hadn't thought of that. Carry on, then! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	apoplexia 2004-02-19 10:40 pm UTC (link)
	Filthy mouth-breathing Canadian tree-hugger! Why don't you fuck off back to where you came from! Oh? New York you say? Actually, I don't happen to know the young gentleman's music, but I once heard his old man do a cover of Woody Guthrie's "I Am the Way," which was fan-fucking-tastic. sotto voce still a mouth breather. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	chash 2004-02-20 12:00 am UTC (link)
	His old man also did "Dead Skunk," which might be the best song ever written. Ever. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	apoplexia 2004-02-20 12:21 am UTC (link)
	I don't think I'm familiar with it. ::scurries off to find perfectly legitimate copy:: (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: chash 2004-02-20 01:33 am UTC (link)
	you got your dead cat and you got your dead dog, on a moonlit night you got your dead toadfrog, you got your dead rabbit and your dead raccoon, the blood and the guts they gonna make you swoon. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jezrana 2004-02-19 10:45 pm UTC (link)
	resists temptation to email this to her mother (She loves Rufus, and supports gay marriage, but supported the war, I don't really like his music but share his views, so it's fun to taunt her with "Rufus would be on my side, you know" when we talk about politics.) (Reply to this)(Thread)

	beccastareyes 2004-02-20 12:43 am UTC (link)
	I dunno... I e-mailed my sister the Clay Aiken-fan PETA-wannabe-member the 'Clay Aiken kills kittens' wank... enables ^_^ (Reply to this)(Parent)

rann
2004-02-19 11:19 pm UTC (link)

I dunno, to a certain extent, I understand the annoyance about him airing his political beefs at a performance. A lot of people probably came to hear him sing, and paid to hear him sing, not hear him gripe about the politics he dislikes.
I don't have a problem with performers who have political opinions and all that, I only have a problem with it when they
A) Put those political opinions on view in inappropriate venues (IE, in situations that have to do with entertaining, not politics).
B) Expect their political opinions to hold more weight because they're famous. (I know that starring in "The Truth About Cats and Dogs" really qualifies Janeane Garofalo to tell me what I should think of things.)
C) Get all in a snit when people DARE to disagree with those opinions, or bow down and worship them for having those opinions, or there's actually repercussions to them abrasively and loudly stating those opinions since, y'know, they work in an industry that rather requires the viewers to like them.
Example of celebrity with political opinions I don't mind: Robin Williams. He very much doesn't like President Bush. Know where he aired his beefs? At a Democrat fundraiser. This is acceptable, this is talking about his politics in one place where such is entirely appropriate.
Example of celebrity with political opinions I can't stand: the aforementioned Janeane Garofalo. She just proclaimed herself a political expert and went around talking politics on any venue that would have her. She stated things like "When you show me an American flag, I'm like 'Oh my god, you're insulting me!' Now, show me a naked gay man on a pride float burning an American flag, and -that- makes me proud!" She went on every show that would have her and screeched about hating the war and hating Bush, and went so far as to say "If we get to Baghdad and even one Iraqi is happy to see us, I'll get on my hands and knees and crawl over broken glass to apologize to Bush." After the liberation and MANY happy Iraqis, no apology, certainly not one involving broken glass, occurred, and if anything she got even MORE frothy-mouthed. And then, when her new series got canceled before it even aired an episode, she exploded about how she was being repressed and whatnot. (I think it might have had more to do with you insulting a large portion of your viewerbase, dumbass.)
*coughs, wipes that up*
Anyway, it's a case of "having an opinion" vs. "my opinion is more important because I'm famous, so you'd better listen to it at any time I want to".
Ahem... in fact, the last few panels of this comic may sum it up precisely.

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sagralisse
2004-02-19 11:40 pm UTC (link)

According to IMDB Janeane, the petite woman with the acerbic wit, was born in Newton, New Jersey, in 1964, and had many jobs before breaking into show biz. She worked as a bike messenger, a shoe salesperson (no doubt with Al Bundy's disposition), waitress and temp secretary. Watching David Letterman on TV inspired her to write comedy, and by 1985 she was doing standup comedy. As such, Janeane has become a cult figure, giving a voice to a generation, venting her frustration at TV, dating, relationships, life in general and anything that ticks her off in particular. Janeane did sketches on the Ben Stiller show in 1992 (an Emmy winning, but canceled show). She would continue to collaborate with Ben Stiller in future projects. Janeane received 2 Emmy nominations for her work on the Larry Sanders show (1992), developing her signature character: a smart, cynical woman with a razor wit.
::shrug:: Sounds like she's just doing the same stuff that made her popular in the first place.

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rann
2004-02-19 11:46 pm UTC (link)

Yeah, but in the appearances on shows and such I'm talking about, she wasn't there as a comedian, she was speaking as an actual supposed political expert, with nothing to qualify her as such any more than you or me; the only difference is, you or me don't have a couple of movies under our belts, and thus you or me don't have an agent that can call up the host of a political news show and get us on as a guest.

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	sagralisse 2004-02-20 12:03 am UTC (link)
	I think the difference would be that you and I haven't made a successful career out of producing, packaging and delivering the snark. When the political news shows want that for their audience, they know she can bring it. I doubt that her agent is twisting anybody's arm. (Reply to this)(Parent)

iczer6
2004-02-20 05:27 am UTC (link)

C) Get all in a snit when people DARE to disagree with those opinions, or bow down and worship them for having those opinions, or there's actually repercussions to them abrasively and loudly stating those opinions since, y'know, they work in an industry that rather requires the viewers to like them.

I have to agree here.

I recall the kerfluffle with the Dixie Chicks who managed to piss off their audience by expressing their dislike of the President.

I was amazed at how people reacted like the Bush Gestapo was going around and breaking the thumbs of DC fans.

Uh no the President didn't use his eval powers to make your sales drop, you managed to annoy your core audience who responded by NOT buying your stuff.

So the lesson is either A don't piss off your fans, or B if you do piss them off try to take it like an adult.

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	kindest_demon 2004-02-20 03:48 pm UTC (link)
	Well, in their defense they also got a fair number of death threats along with the drop in album sales. No, people don't have to like what they have to say, and they don't HAVE to buy their records, but I think threatening to burn their houses to the ground with them inside is probably a legitimate cause of concern. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	iczer6 2004-02-20 07:59 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah that was a bit much, but part of what bugged me was how many people were blaming the President for it. Now God only knows I want to smack the man at times but I really doubt he had the secret service make death threats to Country Music Stars. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kindest_demon 2004-02-21 01:17 am UTC (link)
	C'mon, you know you'd do it if you were President. ;) "Sir, we're closing it on Lyle Lovett, but his hair is interfereing with our infrared technology." (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2004-02-21 04:54 am UTC (link)
	Totally off topic, it's Belle not Bell. Your icon. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	iczer6 2004-02-21 05:22 am UTC (link)
	I didn't actually make the icon and I don't know how to edit it... Now that's gonna bug me all day. (Reply to this)(Parent)

cassiovega
2004-02-20 06:38 am UTC (link)

A) I agree.
B) I really agree.
C) I really totally agree.

(But then, I'll be voting for Bush for the second time later this year, so in most places in LJ-Land my thoughts mean nothing :P)

However, the OP was pretty dense to post that to a fan community and expect a simple disclaimer to keep everyone off her ass. Various actors in fandoms I adore do politial things that chap my ass, but I keep those grumblings to my *personal* LJ/blog, or places like therightfangirl where I'm not gonna be bombarded with a debate I don't want. Of course, then I don't get Teh Wank ;) But I've made my choice, and I'll live with it...

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tempslut
2004-02-21 02:05 am UTC (link)

I went to see Janeane perform a couple years ago. This was right before she started going on every talk show that would have her talk about the war and whatnot. Now, I agree with a lot of her views. And yet, when I saw her live, I was all, "Shut up Janeane!" It isn't even that she talked politics--politics and comedy together can be quite a lovely duo, when done correctly. But the way Janeane discussed her views, you'd have thought she'd have been at a Green party fundraiser as opposed to a comedy show. You can get your views through without alienating your audience, IMO. And when you alienate people that actually otherwise agree with you--i.e. me--then you need to reevaluate your act.

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persephone
2004-02-20 05:34 pm UTC (link)

So sorry I missed this yesterday! One of my favorite parts was when she gets all snotty with a commenter and starts the personal attack:

Are you so angry because you're s suburban late-teen early twenty something in the mid-west dying for some culture to enter your boring life before you get stuck marying the first man that'll have you?

Aaand she herself lives in - Michigan.

On another note, I was at the concert and other than the one comment I found it pretty apolitical.

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	bohicamouse 2004-02-20 06:06 pm UTC (link)
	OMG YPSI PENIS ICOOOOON! Uh, if I'm wrong and that makes no sense to you, I'll just move on . . . (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	persephone 2004-02-21 12:38 am UTC (link)
	Our local water tower, officially The Most Phallic Building in the World (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	bohicamouse 2004-02-21 03:14 am UTC (link)
	sporfle Oh that is beautiful. I pass the damn thing every day and I didn't know about that award. Although I do always think "COCK ALERT!" (Reply to this)(Parent)