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	phosfate 2003-04-09 12:28 am UTC (link)
	Dammit! You beat me to it. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	mffl 2003-04-09 12:35 am UTC (link)
	Bwa ha! takes over the world with her incredible wank posting speed (Reply to this)(Parent)

	cesare 2003-04-09 12:31 am UTC (link)
	snif Me too... I ran as fast as my little virtual legs could carry me... (Reply to this)

coreopsis
2003-04-09 01:14 am UTC (link)

Did you actually *read* my story? Do you have any *proof* that it's an MS? Yes, it's a self-insert, but I worked VERY HARD not to make it a Mary Sue story.

Wow, how does that work? I'm boggled. It's like she said that she mixed blue and red but tried VERY HARD not to make it look purple. Would have been a neat trick, I guess... That girl needs to lay off the crack. Or you know, get a better quality rock or something.

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	darkrose 2003-04-09 04:36 am UTC (link)
	Actually, I believe it is possible: http://enterprise.mathematik.uni-essen.de/~bastian/Ranma/MarySue.html I'm writing a self-insertion in the Baldur's Gate-verse (sort of). The me in the fic is me, including being fat, frequently lazy, bad with money, and bitchy. So far, I've been able to maintain the balance. I think. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	gairid 2003-04-09 04:59 am UTC (link)
	prayerfully I <3 you, DarkRose. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	chaya 2003-04-10 12:12 am UTC (link)
	I've got something going of the same nature. Chaya meets Middle Earth™! She is fat, ugly, unadapted for survival without public transportation, and all the elves hate her. :D People mistake her for a very tall hobbit with shoes. Maybe I should post it somewhere at some point. o.O (Reply to this)(Parent)

	pradaloz 2003-04-09 01:29 am UTC (link)
	Hahaha! This is great. And look, she's gotten a friend to issue a call for flames at the Godawful Fanfiction Board. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	wizzard 2003-04-09 01:58 am UTC (link)
	I don't think I have ever seen so many variations on the spelling of plagiarism. I'm also not very impressed with the flames. Sure they threaten to report her and call her names, but there doesn't seem to be any real heat behind it. I give it a 5.6. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	pradaloz 2003-04-09 02:15 am UTC (link)
	You're right--all of the flames are a variation of "You bitch, you'll never get away with this!" Yawn. Considering all the work the original author is going to to drum up support, you'd think she'd hit on at least a few flamers with a bit of creativity. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ingrid 2003-04-09 01:36 am UTC (link)
	"At least she didn't plagiarize a good fic." I think I just broke something." (Reply to this)(Thread)

cimorene111
2003-04-09 02:57 am UTC (link)

indeed. does she live in a world where self-insert mary sue is not only a totally valid form of fic, but likely to be welcome in an anti-mary sue community?

I posted this in the hopes that I could get a reasonable reaction. Insulting *my* story because I dared to post that it was plagiarized? I don't think that's very constructive, do you?

i'd say it's a fair bet that anyone calling a fic 'bad' does not intend to be constructive.

in fact, i'm racking my brain trying to think of something constructive which might have been said to her, in the interest of improving her somehow. 'it's certainly clear that you know what plagiarism is!' 'good job with the commas, but next time you might want to try not adding yourself to the story, and cut out eighty percent of your periods.'

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	cesare 2003-04-09 03:00 am UTC (link)
	does she live in a world where self-insert mary sue is not only a totally valid form of fic, but likely to be welcome in an anti-mary sue community? Bahaha, yeah, it'd be like if someone from came here to try to rustle up supporters for a kerfluffle. Somehow it just doesn't seem like she's appealing to the appropriate crowd. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: cimorene111 2003-04-09 03:23 am UTC (link)
	came here to try to rustle up supporters for a kerfluffle. but actually, that has happened, hasn't it? it's easy: just view the other side of the kerfluffle as wankish and your side as perfectly reasonable, edit events liberally, etc. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	cesare 2003-04-09 03:31 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, but has anyone ever come here and tried to marshall FW into going marching off on the attack? ponders I guess people have tried to sic us on their enemies before. But that didn't go over too well here, any more than this plagiarism thing went over on the Mary Sue Report. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	madmouth 2003-04-09 01:53 am UTC (link)
	there once was a girl who was far too fond of emphasizing words with asterisks. my eyes! it hurts! (Reply to this)(Thread)

	laurar 2003-04-09 02:05 am UTC (link)
	Tsk. People like her are the reason we have asterisk shortages. For shame! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

lcsbanana
2003-04-09 02:19 am UTC (link)

also the reason we are experiencing a Period Drought. suchlike--

I...well...*I* was plagiarized

claim it as your own...? That's...beyond disgusting

I just...well, I'm *not* a flamer, I almost *never* flame, but...

Wow. I...just...wow

I just...my God, I've been plagiarized, I'm hardly rational, but...

but...god. I have nothing to say.

Oh, that would be nice. That would be so nice.

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	mffl 2003-04-09 02:21 am UTC (link)
	I always love "I have nothing to say" being tacked on to the end of a long, nonsensical paragraph. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	cesare 2003-04-09 03:37 am UTC (link)
	You forgot the hissiest part of the hissy fit! Okay, maybe I won't ever post on this lj comm again... Oh NO! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	laurar 2003-04-09 02:04 am UTC (link)
	Awwwww...it's such a cute little wank. (Reply to this)

cesare
2003-04-09 02:44 am UTC (link)

For the heck of it, I took a brief tour through the plagiarized story. I bring back tidbits! Enjoy the irrelevant exposition, the peculiar word usage, and the surfeit of periods scattered liberally throughout.

The giant hill my house stood at the top of was famous for its girth and steepness, and often was the death of our ancient bus' fragile motor's most spectacular failures. This was one of the best of them- we were situated at about a right-degree angle.

...not to mention the wonderful prolificacy of her cursing vocabulary.

Old Bob is.well.my hill is more than a match for him...

Past the small brook that babbled at my feet, the field of long grass seemed to go on.and on.and on.as far as the eye could see.

"Speak, or we will take you before Thengel King!"
And that was when I fainted.

And then they all got run over by a truck.

Also big fun: in the author's notes, the plagiarizer slams the story that she stole and posted under her own name. "Yes, yes, I know. Crappy self-insertion." Heh. Next time, maybe she should steal something she actually likes?

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	wizzard 2003-04-09 02:53 am UTC (link)
	Oh that's hilarious if she had the crappy note before the kerfuffle began. Also, I'm not a writer so maybe I just don't understand, but is plagiarism really that traumatic? I get that you would be pissed but she's acting like her doggie just died. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	cimorene111 2003-04-09 03:01 am UTC (link)
	i'd be angry, not crushed. but it's probably a temperamental thing. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Traumatic plagiarism gelasius 2003-04-09 03:33 am UTC (link)
	Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, right? And plagiarism is just an extreme form of imitation, so wouldn't it be an extremely sincere form of flattery? ::blinks innocently:: (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Traumatic plagiarism singe 2003-04-09 04:33 am UTC (link)
	But it's still too much for my fragile mental state. I'm even pissed at that girl because she overuses the ellipses...ellipsi...elipsesesess...those period things! I'm the one that overuses those!! She must...DIEEEE!!! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Traumatic plagiarism quinctia 2003-04-09 05:07 am UTC (link)
	You got it the first time with ellipses. ^_~ (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Traumatic plagiarism singe 2003-04-09 07:59 am UTC (link)
	Whew! Thank you! (Reply to this)(Parent)

gairid
2003-04-09 05:15 am UTC (link)

*snogs Cardinal Fang* Dammit Wizzard! Your MP icons turn me SO the fuck on!

As for the kerfluffle. Well, if someone plagiarized me word for word I would be mightly pissed, but the Drama Queen act on an Anti Mary Sue community...I *might* have thought twice about that.

Or not.

The ensuing comments were funny as hell, and the reviews on ff.net? Yeesh. Is Thalia the Second COming or something?

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nevadafighter
2003-04-09 06:22 am UTC (link)

Also, I'm not a writer so maybe I just don't understand, but is plagiarism really that traumatic?

It's theft, so I guess you have to consider how you'd feel if something you loved was stolen. Even worse--with writing it's a matter of creation and hard work, and then someone waltzes in and just TAKES it . . . it can hurt deeper than almost anything else I can think of.

Especially if what you wrote was really good, and then there's someone else taking the credit for it--just thinking about it is upsetting enough.

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	raisedbyhyenas 2003-04-09 09:31 am UTC (link)
	Especially if what you wrote was really good, and then there's someone else taking the credit for it--just thinking about it is upsetting enough. Thank god this doesn't apply here, then! G (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: nevadafighter 2003-04-09 09:34 am UTC (link)
	:P Even if it's crap, by God it's your crap! And why would someone rip off a bad story? (My theory is they think the good ones are better protected . . . my guess, anyway.) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	phosfate 2003-04-09 04:44 pm UTC (link)
	It's not dead-puppy traumatic, but it's utterly enraging. For its pointlessness, if nothing else. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	pyratejenni 2003-04-09 04:36 am UTC (link)
	Uh....and this is a girl who's supposed to be among the "most famous" of fandom? Excuse me. "...often was the death of our ancient bus' fragile motor's most spectacular failures." Death of a failure? Does that mean the fragile motor actually started? I'm confused, mommy! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kannaophelia 2003-04-09 09:57 am UTC (link)
	Famous among fellow LOTR self-insertion writers. There's different kinds of fame... (Reply to this)(Parent)

	girl_friday 2003-04-09 04:54 am UTC (link)
	Actually, that was part of the original story. She copied the author's notes verbatium as well. Stupid plaj--, plaig--, plag-- ... copiers. :P (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	cesare 2003-04-09 05:30 am UTC (link)
	She copied the author's notes verbatium as well. BWAhahahahahaha! Wow, that's even better! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sajasma 2003-04-09 04:05 pm UTC (link)
	I love how the "flames" for the plagiarized fic attempt a level of intellectualism with Eminem: Eminem put it best when he said, "You stupid bitch, I hope you fucking burn in hell for this shit!" (Reply to this)(Thread)

	starkeymonster 2003-04-09 06:35 pm UTC (link)
	What I like is not being able to come up with your own original insult when you're flaming someone for plagiarism. I'm shocked that no one has resorted to comparing the plagiarist to the Nazis. It's not a real flame fest until someone said "You know who else did ? Hitler, That's who." These kids today, they don't flame like they did back in my day. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Updatage phosfate 2003-04-09 05:59 pm UTC (link)
	http://www.livejournal.com/community/marysues/223636.html (Reply to this)(Thread)

	Re: Updatage raisedbyhyenas 2003-04-09 06:12 pm UTC (link)
	GOD she's annoying. By this point it could be the best story online for all I know, but I don't care -- I want to point and mock on general principles. (Reply to this)(Parent)

A question:

ivyblossom
2003-04-09 09:52 pm UTC (link)

Okay...is there actually a difference between a Mary Sue and a self-insertion? Cause like, I'm not seein' a difference. Isn't a Mary Sue...a self-insertion, or did I miss something in fanfiction 101? Was I flirting with Cassie Claire during that part, or what?

Or is it a self-insertion when you want to still make fun of Mary Sue writers while actually writing a Mary Sue?

Are you pondering what I'm pondering?

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Re: A question:

pradaloz
2003-04-09 10:15 pm UTC (link)

Isn't a Mary Sue...a self-insertion, or did I miss something in fanfiction 101?

I was always under the assumption that a Mary Sue was a particular *kind* of self-insertion. But I've never bothered to pay much attention to the details, since I avoid all self-inserts like the plague. So, to answer your question...I don't know.

Was I flirting with Cassie Claire during that part, or what?

Naughty!

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torakka
2003-04-09 10:23 pm UTC (link)

I just finished reading the flames. Oh dear. "Plagiarism is the worst crime the mankind has ever come up with, to commit it is to commit a sin of tremendous malice, may you rot in hell forever while being punctured by Satan's cock, you evil, filthy, cum-guzzling piece of plagiarist shit!"

And I thought I am annoyingly prone to overreacting. Oh, and someone's just posted the mandatory Nazi comment:

U NAZI WHORE I HOPE HITLER FUX UR SOLE

Original and ingenious!

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And just to add a P.S. to this wank...
(Anonymous)
2003-11-03 05:39 pm UTC (link)

...here's a confession post from the girl who called for all the aid to fight her plagiarist:

I've really fucked up. Really badly.

Here's the truth:

My name is Talia.

I am fourteen years old.

I live in New Jersey.

I have three sisters.

My mother is a doctor who has been phsyically and verbally abusive towards my sisters, my father and I in the past. That part is true.

I do not have a boyfriend named Gabe. Last year, I had a crush on a boy named Gabe for most of the year, and so the whole boyfriend thing was pure and utter wish fulfillment.

The plagiarisms: two out of three were false. The first two I made up, but the last one was real.

All of my fanfic, original stories, and poems are my own.

I might have lied in various small ways, but those are the major things I can think of. If you have any questions comment or leave me an email.

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