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	froda_baggins 2004-02-20 08:43 am UTC (link)
	Wow...so...does this guy even realize he contradicted himself? I mean...please explain the difference between a gay man lusting after a straight man and a straight woman lusting after a gay man. (Reply to this)

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	iczer6 2004-02-20 08:49 pm UTC (link)
	It's the Andromeda Wank! (Reply to this)(Parent)

sam_chan 2004-02-20 08:46 am UTC (link)

Oh, my. I bailed out on the queereye community just in time to miss all the wank! Queer Eye is indeed aimed for womyn...and gay men on the side. Once again, you've got gay imagery being denied to queer men. Not really seeing how women--excuse me, womyn--watching the show is denying gay men the eye candy. It's not like Bravo is a big Girls Only Club. Admittedly the fangirling that goes on in that community is scary at times, but dude, lighten up. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	Lust Quotas deoridhe 2004-02-20 02:42 pm UTC (link)
	I thought you knew! See, every object has a "lust quotia" based on how hot they are on some ineffable scale we don't understand. If too many people lust after an object, it suddenly becomes horrible and ugly. Therefore, we're robbing the gay guys of their lust objects because they keep showing up late. Or something. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

Re: Lust Quotas - sam_chan, 2004-02-20 09:25 pm UTC

	jezrana 2004-02-20 09:09 am UTC (link)
	I apologize for being possessive but it comes from a history of being denied my privileges to think that I may have a chance with Jai, Thom, Carson or Kyan without some straight girl trying to "straighten" him out. So does that mean we can try to "straighten" Ted? (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	soy_latte 2004-02-20 11:12 am UTC (link)
	My eyes rolled out of my head the moment he started yakking about "being denied [his] privileges" so I couldn't read the rest. (Reply to this)

	hansbekhart 2004-02-20 11:49 am UTC (link)
	Ok ... feeling stupid here. I live in the gayest city on the planet (San Francisco pride!) and I have no idea what LGBTIA means. Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender but .... what is I and A??? (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	gairid 2004-02-20 02:15 pm UTC (link)
	DON'T SAY 'Womyn'!Why does he say 'womyn'? Now *that* is wanky! (Reply to this)(Thread)

Womyn - deoridhe, 2004-02-20 05:13 pm UTC

Re: Womyn - smo, 2004-02-20 07:26 pm UTC

Re: Womyn - crickets, 2004-02-20 08:25 pm UTC

Re: Womyn - phosfate, 2004-02-20 08:46 pm UTC

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Paging the Reality Doctors... limyaael 2004-02-20 02:30 pm UTC (link)

We have yet another patient with trouble distinguishing fantasy from reality. However, QE is completely revolutionary because for the first time, we have openly gay celebrities which means gay men are finally allowed to fantasize about these guys completely guilt-free, knowing that there is some sliver of a chance that a relationship between any of these guys could be possible. And it feels good to be able to fantasize rather than think of how could I make this guy gay or bi. So...fantasizing, which is in contradiction to reality most of the time, has to depend exclusively on the actor's stated orientation? And the actor is straight, this guy can't possibly put him into his fantasies because he has to "think about making this guy gay or bi?" Wow. I just...wow. Frankly, I think the chances of a celebrity ever looking at most people is miniscule enough that it really doesn't matter whether people think of them as gay, bi, straight, or asexual. But then, I also think that "fantasies" are allowed to be different from "reality." We really need the Reality Doctors over here, STAT! (Reply to this)(Thread)

Re: Paging the Reality Doctors... - redwarrior, 2004-02-20 07:49 pm UTC

Re: Paging the Reality Doctors... - phosfate, 2004-02-20 09:01 pm UTC

Re: Paging the Reality Doctors... - redwarrior, 2004-02-21 07:11 pm UTC

Re: Paging the Reality Doctors... - cleolinda, 2004-02-20 11:02 pm UTC

Re: Paging the Reality Doctors... - limyaael, 2004-02-22 02:13 am UTC

Re: Paging the Reality Doctors... - terminal_frost, 2004-02-21 06:47 am UTC

Re: Paging the Reality Doctors... - darqstar, 2004-02-22 12:05 am UTC

Re: Paging the Reality Doctors... - terminal_frost, 2004-02-22 01:49 am UTC

Re: Paging the Reality Doctors... - darqstar, 2004-02-23 08:03 pm UTC

	oxydosic 2004-02-20 02:54 pm UTC (link)
	Hey, i don't want to fuck Carson! I just want to keep him in a cage in my basement and occasionally spank his cute little bottom for fun. See, i'm perfectly normal! (Reply to this)(Thread)

(no subject) - snacky, 2004-02-20 04:47 pm UTC

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I do it all for you, Ann. - snacky, 2004-02-20 06:47 pm UTC

Re: I do it all for you, Ann. - phosfate, 2004-02-20 06:58 pm UTC

Re: I do it all for you, Ann. - phosfate, 2004-02-20 07:00 pm UTC

Re: I do it all for you, Ann. - snacky, 2004-02-20 07:08 pm UTC

Re: I do it all for you, Ann. - phosfate, 2004-02-20 07:11 pm UTC

::cries:: - snacky, 2004-02-20 07:13 pm UTC

	smo 2004-02-20 04:30 pm UTC (link)
	I don't want to live in a world where I can't fantasize about Ted cooking me a gourmet meal and eating it off my naked body. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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mirabellawotr 2004-02-20 06:16 pm UTC (link)

I hope u kno i have gay and bi friends up the wazoo and none have found me saying this offensive. I was asking a question..i dun see how it was offensive at all. I find them cute if tha is a problem i will take my disscussions elsewhere..thaz fine with me. Oh my GOD STOP IT! Stop it and step away from the keyboard or I will break every bone in all your fingers with a pair of rusty pliers and then I will pull out your fingernails and paint little skulls on them and string them around my neck like some sort of atavistic trophy from Lord of the Flies and you do not even want to know what I'm going to do with the superglue and the arc welding thingie! Sorry, netspeak is bugging me today. Carry on. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	sarajayechan 2004-02-20 06:21 pm UTC (link)
	Okay, I can understand the person saying "You should treat them as people, not just hot gay boiz to squeal over or wonder if you seriously have a chance to sleep with them". But telling them which guys they're "allowed to" or "should" lust over?! (Reply to this)(Thread)

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"Deluster ray?" - aruru, 2004-02-21 02:30 am UTC

Re: "Deluster ray?" - ishtar79, 2004-02-21 02:33 am UTC

GIP time! - aruru, 2004-02-21 05:02 am UTC

Re: GIP time! - ishtar79, 2004-02-21 05:08 am UTC

Re: GIP time! - terminal_frost, 2004-02-21 06:50 am UTC

Re: GIP time! - aruru, 2004-02-21 07:28 am UTC

Re: GIP time! - terminal_frost, 2004-02-21 07:44 am UTC

Re: GIP time! - bishounenhuntrs, 2004-02-26 04:28 pm UTC

Re: "Deluster ray?" - ishtar79, 2004-02-21 03:37 am UTC

	eag 2004-02-20 06:41 pm UTC (link)
	Ow! My brain! *sniffles* I just despise people who threaten to LEAVE THE INTERNET/THE FAN COMMUNITY/THE MESSAGE BOARD FOREVER if you disagree with them or vice versa. It reminds me of Snacky's Law, in a way. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	pooka 2004-02-20 06:56 pm UTC (link)
	I don't even watch Queer Eye, and from what I've seen, I don't find any of the guys that attractive. Whee! Lookit me! I'm a gay activist! (Reply to this)(Thread)

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redwarrior 2004-02-20 07:41 pm UTC (link)

This guy is a MAJOR asshat. *sigh* He reminds me of all the guys who just roll their eyes at me and groan whenever I say I'm a transman who loves other men. It's like, "Duh, you're a straight girl, BITCH, and I will NOT give you teh time of day in HELL! You are SO faking it, you don't have a DICK! So I don't believe you, liar!" ...Fuck off. Before I pound your ass into the bed into the pavement. And I for one am kind of flattered when a girl thinks I'm cute. Maybe it's because I've gone to an all-female college for four years (thanks Mom), and I consider myself a REAL (?) feminist, not a separatist asshat that says "let us stay arbitrarily on borders that correspond to the genitalia of our birth sex and not touch anyone that's different from us, OR WE SHALL PERISH!". (Like this guy. Lesbian separatists are more common, but...) We're all human, dude. Get a grip. We're all going to get turned on by fall in love with someone sooner or later. I classify myself as gay, but somehow one of my lovers is female. She didn't turn me straight. XD (Reply to this)(Thread)

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calluna 2004-02-20 08:01 pm UTC (link)

I apologize for being possessive but it comes from a history of being denied my privileges to think that I may have a chance with Jai, Thom, Carson or Kyan without some straight girl trying to "straighten" him out. To borrow a phrase from all that RPS wank, they're not going to fuck you! It's similar to the lesbian porn fantasy that straight guys have to deal with. Lesbian porn oppressive to straight men? Never heard that one before. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	musette 2004-02-20 09:36 pm UTC (link)
	Um... I don't really watch QaF, but I swear I remember being told by my friends who do that like the entire cast save two people are gay. Am I wrong or is this guy really that big a moron? (Reply to this)(Thread)

(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-02-20 11:24 pm UTC

Re: - musette, 2004-02-21 12:50 am UTC

	ishtar79 2004-02-20 11:25 pm UTC (link)
	I call this idea "Davy Jones-ism" in which a person is allowed to fantasize about a celebrity because there is still some chance with them. I call it 'living in fantasy land'. (Reply to this)(Thread)

(no subject) - calluna, 2004-02-21 12:28 am UTC

Fandom wank, reporting for duty! (Anonymous) 2004-02-20 11:25 pm UTC (link)

http://www.livejournal.com/community/antiyaoi/43984.html So what happened? Well, you see, I joined that antiyaoi community recently. Not because I have anything against yaoi in general, but because I got tired of the fanbase and have a few specific problems. According to the community information before it was changed, that was fine. And I ranted about the specifics. And as I couldn't talk about what I don't know, I often alluded broad rants to my main fandom - Yu-Gi-Oh. For instance, one rant was about when noncanon yaoi couplings are treated as canon. I used some things from Yu-Gi-Oh as an example. 'Cause why I do know other canons, I may not be in the fandom. (Such as Harry Potter.) After all, this is what I've been doing in fanficrants, hated_character, fandomcliche and every other broad community out there. If you don't understand the rant because of the fandom, you ignore it. If you are able to grasp it, then maybe you relate it to something you do know. Up until now, it's worked like a charm. Apparently, however, one of the members had a problem. And even though I apologized to the moderators when I was alerted that the community didn't like very specific posts, the person felt just compelled to post that. So, take it if you wish. Bonasi (Reply to this)(Thread)

Re: Fandom wank, reporting for duty! - big_bad_wolf, 2004-02-20 11:31 pm UTC

	belafarinrod 2004-02-21 12:13 am UTC (link)
	So, if I'm a woman who likes to fantasize about the Fab Five banging each other... is it okay then? (Reply to this)(Thread)

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sidhebastardess 2004-02-21 09:00 am UTC (link)

I guess I may see a little of where this man is coming from . . . I do occasionally feel uncomfortable about straight men lusting after lesbians. That might be partly or mostly a feminist distaste of the "male gaze" type thing, though . . . wow, only a month into my women's studies class. Anyway, it's only a gut reaction, not an opinion. What I think, though, is that he may be irritated because he feels like straight women are trying to appropriate "being attracted to the Queer Eye guys." Like it's their thing. I think I've seen that discomfort expressed by a gay man when talking about the slash community . . . somewhere . . . once? Not that he's right. He's very not. Nobody owns the rights to fantasy, and it's certainly not like straight women who are attracted to the Fab Five are claiming that the guys should/could want them/be straight, or whatever. They simply fantasize, which is perfectly harmless, and doesn't oppress anyone in itself. We can fantasize about whoever the hell we want, is what it boils down to. Of course. I mean, hell, fantasy can cross the lines of "real"-life preference even which is why I can be a lesbian and yet read maleslash smut right before bed specifically for fantasy material . . . *koff* Wow, I feel ridiculously meta. Obviously Spring Break needs to hurry up at arrive so I can lose this academic mindset. (Reply to this)(Thread)

(no subject) - serai, 2004-02-21 11:14 am UTC

	ladyrogue 2004-02-21 12:37 pm UTC (link)
	And here I thought people telling straight women that writing about two men fucking is 'disgusting' was as wanky as it got. But to have someone say you can't lust after gay guys?! And the wankery takes a whole new turn! So, how many want to bet this person isn't really gay? Possibly not even a guy! Troll anyone? (Reply to this)(Thread)

(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-02-21 05:15 pm UTC

	lots42 2004-02-21 02:37 pm UTC (link)
	What about if straight guys lust over them? Okay, not really but I do like their sense of style. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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