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Bunny ([info]bunny) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-03-06 11:17:00


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Monster's Ball


Does anyone remember Monster's Ball that awarded Halle Berry with an Academy Award for getting down and dirty with Billy Bob Thornton?

If you haven't seen it, this wank is going to spoil you a bit for the ending, so turn away now.

eugeniaandino post a thread called This is an extremely racist movie

I saw the movie very recently and I was surprised that no PC minded people or institutions had attacked it as the gross pile of racism and misoginy it is.

To me, the film's bottom line is that the only thing a woman can do to be happy or even to survive in a world that has no mercy on her is to get herself a nice man to take care of her emotionally and financially. This is made worse by the racial issue: the non-white (let's leave on the side the fact that Halle Berry is black, or half-black, or whatever) woman finds no support at all in her family, or her friends, only on the White Man, and only if she adapts to his life and not the other way around.

And of course, apparently the only thing she has to offer in exchange of emotional and financial protection is sex.



Fifty percent of what follows has been deleted by the administrators, but this thread still contains these:

o-t-t-o reveals a certain kinship with caminante: I got upset watching Terminator 2 & 3 for similar reasons. Why should it take a big high-tech robot from the future to give white women what they need?

chunkeylover800 kicks off a history wank of epic proportions:

First off Hawaii was given to america by this guy who took it over with *HIS OWN* army because he didnt want to pay terriffs, so the white americans didnt take hawwaii from the hawaiins. And second off, im not saying it was right but if your so mad that your people were taken from africa why dont you move back. And by the way alot of the first blacks in america were indentured servants, who lead perfectly normal lives, but people seem to forget that when they wanna make whites look bad. And is that why Japan bombed pearl harber? because of our white male egos??!!


Asur18 replies to this deleted comment:

And by the way alot of the first blacks in america were indentured servants, who lead perfectly normal lives, but people seem to forget that when they wanna make whites look bad. And is that why Japan bombed pearl harber? because of our white male egos??!! WTF??!

With:
and who did YOU killed with nuclear bombs?

trevor-m-flattery has is own opinions on the Japanese:
I GUESS JAPAN SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT BEFORE THEY BOMBED US IN OUR SLEEP.

But nothing beats a little racism discussion. Nchssmaria replies to a deleted:
And frankly, I find that the most racist people In america today are blacks.

with:

Are you retarded? These days racism tends to be fonder towards Arabs and Muslims. Most black people state how much of a tragedy it would be to hate someone for their background as their own wasn't too pretty.

>>Do you pay attention to popular culture? You cant listen to black comedians, or listen to rap with out hearing about whitey and how we *beep* you over.<<

Nice to know you form your opinions right out of gangsta music. Because that's all it is. BTW, the MOST famous rapper happens to be a violent WHITE male. He's misogynistic, racist (towards black women anyhow, "whites are nice"), AND homophobic.



shikihiv wanks hard:

Yes - I believe that the white man is the superior race - I am not white - but I wish I was. I wish I had a smaller penis, I wish I was slower and unable to dance. I wish I was unable to jump, I wish I was not as intelligent as my asian counterparts. I wish that I was able to have sex my first cousins. If only I was white. WHy Lord, WHYYYYYYYYYY did you curse me.

Good day to you all - especially all you lucky white people.



But notnofx takes the cake:

I know how you must feel, shikihiv.

I'm black as well, but I truly DO wish that I was white. My people never produced a written language, we were slaves belonging to white men in the southern United States until 1865, we never got even with them, we never put up a fight against slavery, we were segregated from whites in the south until 1965, and yet we still remained in the country like we had no self-respect. We've never invented anything meaningful like the airplane, automobile, train, light bulb, personal computer, or telephone. There has never been a black equivalent of Shakespeare, Beethover, Bach, or Mozart. We still speak the language of the people that enslaved us. We think that athletic prowess and being cool is important, but we still have to go to the white power base to get what we want, and always will. All that we can seem to do is wear pants that don't fit, listen to violent music, call women "bitches," commit drive-by shootings, and sell drugs.

I know that this will seem to some of you like a white racist diatribe, but I'm an African-American male, and I consider my people to be the most race-obssessed, and therefore racist, people in the world. That's why I needed t respond to what shikihiv said about whites. He ignores their many accomplishments because he feels insecure when he compares himself to them. What a pathetic wretch he must be.


And now I am dead from the wank.


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(Anonymous)
2004-03-06 07:22 pm UTC (link)
Not gonna touch the rest of this ominously pulsating mass, but one sentence in particular caught my eyes

"These days racism tends to be fonder towards muslims and arabs"

The hell??? Does he mean he finds people are *more* racist to muslims & arabs now, or *less*????
*confused*
Racists aren't *fond* of any race but their own. Unless he means that the arabs and muslims are the worst racists or...

My head hurts now

C. Random

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wolfie_thu
2004-03-06 11:44 pm UTC (link)
Maybe he meant that racism/muslims/arabs is his One True Threesome...?

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[info]calluna
2004-03-07 03:04 am UTC (link)
...or that it's only socially acceptable to be racist against Arabs these days? XP

(Must report the "could this movie be made post-9/11 wank from the Aladdin IMDB board...)

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[info]eiviiaru
2004-03-07 07:47 am UTC (link)
I assumed this reading -- that, by and large, racism is only culturally accepted on the wide scale against Muslims and Arabs. I am not entirely sure this is true, but it's a valid argument, anyway.

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[info]mariagoner
2004-03-07 12:40 pm UTC (link)
Right. It's almost a pity that he couldn't frame it in that way.

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[info]eiviiaru
2004-03-06 07:30 pm UTC (link)
This is... wow. It's a wank in which I cannot sympathize with anyone! (Except possibly for the OP, who at least has a point about the film, albeit an entirely arguable one.)

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[info]oxydosic
2004-03-06 09:04 pm UTC (link)
Why should it take a big high-tech robot from the future to give white women what they need?

Um, so Sarah Connor was fucking the Terminator? Dude, i must have the wrong edition of the movie.

*Goes to find Terminator porn. It has to exist SOMEWHERE*

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[info]katemonkey
2004-03-06 11:07 pm UTC (link)
Please, it's all about John getting fucked by the terminator.

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[info]misswindy
2004-03-09 04:01 am UTC (link)
There must be a whole gay porn series spoof on these movies. There MUST be, all things being equal.

Gives Rise of the Machines a whole new meaning, doesn't it?

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[info]bunny
2004-03-06 11:09 pm UTC (link)
No it's a The League of Gentlemen themed icon.The British TV show, not the terrible movie. The sign originally says "Welcome to Royston Vasey You'll never leave".

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(Anonymous)
2004-03-07 12:08 am UTC (link)
First off Hawaii was given to america by this guy who took it over with *HIS OWN* army because he didnt want to pay terriffs, so the white americans didnt take hawwaii from the hawaiins. And second off, im not saying it was right but if your so mad that your people were taken from africa why dont you move back. And by the way alot of the first blacks in america were indentured servants, who lead perfectly normal lives, but people seem to forget that when they wanna make whites look bad. And is that why Japan bombed pearl harber? because of our white male egos??!!

Terriffs? Now...what would those be? They couldn't have any relation to tariffs, could they?

I'm not even touching it, though. But I would like to state that if my history teacher was dead, this post would make him role over in his grave.

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(Anonymous)
2004-03-07 12:40 am UTC (link)
I think this wank is enough to make anyone with any knowledge of anything fall over dead into their graves...

aleph_0

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[info]hansbekhart
2004-03-07 11:02 am UTC (link)
Wait .... was this when the Dole Pineapples Corporation took over Hawaii or when there were tribes from different islands taking over it?

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[info]serai
2004-03-07 11:15 am UTC (link)
I'll have you know I am still mesmerized by your icon. It's like popcorn...in a way.

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[info]hansbekhart
2004-03-07 11:54 am UTC (link)
Heheh. It's all part of my plan to take over Teh Wurld.

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[info]crickets
2004-03-07 10:52 pm UTC (link)
*narf!* Brain, is that you?

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[info]romanesque
2004-03-08 11:56 am UTC (link)
*makes Eddie Izzard 'huh huh huh huh?!' noise*

I don't believe people like this exist *dazed*

Can't even spell Hawaii right.

*sits down on 'hey, I'm from this state so I know what I'm talking about' urge*

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[info]maryavatar
2004-03-07 02:34 am UTC (link)
Wow, usually when a wank comes along I'll pick a side, but everyone there gets a big WTF? from me. We need to break out the floatation devices before someone drowns in all that spooge.

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(Anonymous)
2004-03-07 04:25 am UTC (link)
I'm black as well, but I truly DO wish that I was white. My people never produced a written language, we were slaves belonging to white men in the southern United States until 1865, we never got even with them, we never put up a fight against slavery, we were segregated from whites in the south until 1965, and yet we still remained in the country like we had no self-respect. We've never invented anything meaningful like the airplane, automobile, train, light bulb, personal computer, or telephone. There has never been a black equivalent of Shakespeare, Beethover, Bach, or Mozart. We still speak the language of the people that enslaved us. We think that athletic prowess and being cool is important, but we still have to go to the white power base to get what we want, and always will. All that we can seem to do is wear pants that don't fit, listen to violent music, call women "bitches," commit drive-by shootings, and sell drugs.

I know that this will seem to some of you like a white racist diatribe, but I'm an African-American male, and I consider my people to be the most race-obssessed, and therefore racist, people in the world. That's why I needed t respond to what shikihiv said about whites. He ignores their many accomplishments because he feels insecure when he compares himself to them. What a pathetic wretch he must be.


See, *this* is why we still need black history month.

On behalf of black people everywhere, I would like to officially kick this man out of the race. (Well, assuming he's not a racist troll, in which case I'm sure white people would like to throw him out.)

~Sarafina Pekkala

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[info]mariagoner
2004-03-07 12:42 pm UTC (link)
Dude, I'm so voting for racist-white-troll-masquerading-as-black-person. Who the hell would say that about their own race? Or even think it internally?

I mean, this person is either that or... some profoundly self-hating person who has some sort of inferiority complex towards his whole race. Which is, come to think of it, even more frightening.

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[info]misswindy
2004-03-09 04:06 am UTC (link)
See, *this* is why we still need black history month.

That, and the fact that a few weeks ago on American Idol, a girl introduced her audition song as "Swing Low, Sweet Chariot - by Beyonce!"

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[info]iamtheenemy
2004-03-07 06:17 am UTC (link)
First off Hawaii was given to america by this guy who took it over with *HIS OWN* army because he didnt want to pay terriffs, so the white americans didnt take hawwaii from the hawaiins.

Actually, the Hawaiian government was overtaken by WHITE MEN FROM AMERICA in the 1800s, who took control of everything and then promptly sold Hawaii off. And maybe this person should learn how to spell Hawaii before attempting a logical argument.

And second off, im not saying it was right but if your so mad that your people were taken from africa why dont you move back.

Because they LIVE HERE. There is no "back." I don't know the exact number of blacks in the US that have even been to Africa, but I can imagine it's not a lot. Furthermore, Africa is a really big continent, and how many African-Americans even have the luxury to know from what country their blood line originated, because their ancestors were ripped from there with no thought of records or documentation? America is their home, and they have more of a right to live here with their, most likely, 300+ years of ancestors than most white people currently in this country. I can't even imagine "going back to Italy," a place I've never been to, though my grandparents were both born and raised there. America is their home, but that doesn't mean they can't be mad as hell over how they got here in the first place.

And by the way alot of the first blacks in america were indentured servants, who lead perfectly normal lives, but people seem to forget that when they wanna make whites look bad.

Ok, that's just patently, historically inaccurate. I think this person is confusing early Africans to this country with Europeans such as Italians or the Irish. And even if it WAS true, when I think "indentured servant," I don't exactly think "normal life."

And is that why Japan bombed pearl harber? because of our white male egos??!!

No, but it probably had at least a little to do with the 1924 Immigration Act which forbid access into the US by any Japanese person, a bill that directly went against the 1907 Gentlemen's Agreement set up by the US and Japan.

And let's not forget those other guys involved in the war. Who were they again? Oh, that's right. NAZIS. An army of racist, manipulative, brainwashed, psychologically unhinged white men who wanted to annihilate anyone that didn't look like them. Not much way to defend or sugar-coat that, is there?

I fucking hate people so mucb sometimes that it hurts.

Steph

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[info]iamtheenemy
2004-03-07 06:19 am UTC (link)
Hee! "mucb"

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[info]eiviiaru
2004-03-07 08:03 am UTC (link)
The entire Pearl Harbor issue is remarkably complicated. I think it's definitely a fallacy to say that America deserved the attack, but it's also a fallacy to claim Pearl Harbor as justification for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, as the two events aren't comparable at all in scale or intent.

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[info]iamtheenemy
2004-03-07 09:00 pm UTC (link)
Oh yeah, I agree. But what I was trying to show is that America is not the lily white, pure country free of blame this person was trying it make it out as.

Steph

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[info]eiviiaru
2004-03-07 11:12 pm UTC (link)
True dat, true dat.

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[info]hansbekhart
2004-03-07 11:07 am UTC (link)
It surprises me sometimes that most people don't seem to know about Japanese Internment camps during WW2. I grew up in an area that has an enormous Hispanic population for nearly the sole reason that they filled the void that the Japanese people left when they were forced to leave their homes.

California as a whole was obviously affected quite a lot, since we have such a huge Asian population .... and yet I was NEVER taught about it during school. I found out about it because my mom, working at the local newspaper, reviewed "Farewell to Manzanar" as I believe it's called, which is a book written by a woman who, as a young girl, lived in my area until she was taken to live in the internment camps.

Hell, I live in San Francisco now, and we have a MALL on the outskirts of our city that was once used as an internment camp, and yet it seems to be a void in our historical memory.

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[info]hansbekhart
2004-03-07 11:09 am UTC (link)
And oh yeah, I hated Monster's Ball. I thought that was one of the most miserable, depressing movies I've ever seen, and completely missed the point of it. Just, y'know, by the way.

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[info]musette
2004-03-08 07:16 am UTC (link)
I remember learning about the internments camps when I was in junior high, but by and large, there's hardly any historical reminder of it in the area (I grew up in the burbs outside SF). It's really horrific to think about though, so from a psychological standpoint not surprising it's swept under the rug so much.

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[info]crickets
2004-03-08 11:33 am UTC (link)
Yet Auschwitz, Treblinka, Dachau and other camps are, in one form or another, still there as a reminder. I sometimes wonder which country learned what from that war after all.

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[info]musette
2004-03-08 07:44 pm UTC (link)
*nods* It's really unfortunate, I think in a lot of ways the US is more likely to go down that path again than anyone else.

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[info]apoplexia
2004-03-08 07:57 pm UTC (link)
Okay, so I won't mention my (German) student who didn't know the word anti-semitism. Even in German.

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[info]crickets
2004-03-09 07:59 am UTC (link)
Ouch. That's just... sad.

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[info]apoplexia
2004-03-09 12:19 pm UTC (link)
And a little disturbing. If it's any comfort, every other German student I've talked to is equally mystified, so I think we can put this down to general ignorance.

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