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Vanilla Tiger (vanilla_tiger) wrote in fandom_wank,
@ 2004-03-09 08:29:00

Current mood:	cranky
Current music:	The Undertones - The Positive Touch
Entry tags:	fandom: doctor who

Doctor Who Fandom: Beyond Good and Evil
Disclaimer: I am in no way involved in Doctor Who fandom. My knowledge of DW fandom extends basically to vaguely remembering that my older brother thought those Daleks were pretty cool. Apparently to attain true understanding of this wank one must be fully attuned to the way of the DW fandom.

I'm just bored of seeing posts on my friends' list bemoaning the fact that this hasn't hit here yet. (Okay, there was only two by the same person. It's the principle of the matter.)

As far as I can tell, versaphile states her desire to "build up a good Doctor Who community in my forum of choice."

Barbthebrazen (amongst others) takes issue with this, and ends up pitting good fan against bad fan.

Versaphile responds.

Throughout this, nostalgia points and laughs, gives vague indications of a mountain of backstory and gets accused of inciting a flamewar.

Like I said, I know nothing about any of this. If anyone wants to fill us poor unenlightened peons in on the rest, or if I've made a mistake, just let me know.

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	sillywalks 2004-03-09 01:20 pm UTC (link)
	I found a Dr Who book once, when I was cleaning out a wardrobe full of stuff that hadn't seen the light of day since the '80's. ...maybe they're books? (Reply to this)(Thread)

Dr. Who

deoridhe
2004-03-09 07:47 pm UTC (link)

Old school british TV show; longest running concurrent Sci-fi show ever (25 years, I think). Those of us raised on WETA loved it. It was originally meant to be a scientific and educational program, but the Daleks (scary robots) were introduced in, I think, episode two or three and the show took off as a sci-fi adventure show. Most fans watch it as much for the cheesy effects as anything else; some of them are AWFUL. 8) The premise is that the Doctor is from Gallifrey, and when one of his bodies dies he gets another one (apparently younger every time) until he hits the twelveth form and dies completely. They stopped making it with Doctor 7 (w00t; loved him!), made a stand-alone American movie about Dr. 8 set in San Francisco, and then all went quiet again because it didn't take off in the US right away. (Dr. 8 was one of the cutest, though.)

Pardon the infodump; I'm a shameless Dr. Who fan.

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pirotess, 2004-03-10 03:16 am UTC

Re: Dr. Who - (Anonymous), 2004-03-10 04:59 am UTC

Re: Dr. Who - (Anonymous), 2004-03-10 05:03 am UTC

deoridhe, 2004-03-10 02:04 pm UTC

	(Anonymous) 2004-03-09 01:38 pm UTC (link)
	The full story seems to be even wankier, with plagiarism, insults and theft. Get someone in here to give the dirt! (Reply to this)

megolas
2004-03-09 02:29 pm UTC (link)

Man, old fandoms are the best for wank. They seem so quiet and staid. Sort of like a frozen over pond. Except it's one of those ponds where the ice isn't actually thick enough to stand on and then someone does and then they're knee deep in ancient wank that was bubbling under the surface like larva, just waiting for someone to accidentally start it off again, regardless of whether they were there for the first wank or not!

:looks at paragraph:

I think I got my metaphors crossed. ("Don't cross the metaphors!" /ghostbusters)

:watch this wank with interest as has small interest in Dr Who:

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	nostalgia 2004-03-09 06:02 pm UTC (link)
	My fandom IS wank! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

romana03, 2004-03-09 10:05 pm UTC

	judyhazeleyes 2004-03-10 02:45 am UTC (link)
	a geyser might be more apt, perhaps? lots and lots of foamy, gushing liquid there. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2004-03-09 02:35 pm UTC (link)
	People wanking over Doctor Who? Hell, I'm stunned anyone remembers the show! (Reply to this)

maryavatar
2004-03-09 03:45 pm UTC (link)

Wow, way to go with the overreacting, barbthebrazen. I read the first link, the one to versaphile's post and started thinking 'this isn't wanky, what's VT talking about?' and then clicked over to barbthebrazen's post.

*SPLOOSH*

Ah, there's the wank. And lots of it. I love it when touchy, humourless drama queens feel the need to defend themselves against attacks no one made. The smart ones are the best: really get the blood moving.

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	(Anonymous) 2004-03-09 03:56 pm UTC (link)
	BACKSTORY! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

maryavatar, 2004-03-09 04:35 pm UTC

sagralisse, 2004-03-09 05:10 pm UTC

snacky, 2004-03-09 11:29 pm UTC

nostalgia, 2004-03-09 06:01 pm UTC

snacky, 2004-03-09 11:25 pm UTC

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nostalgia, 2004-03-09 11:29 pm UTC

snacky, 2004-03-09 11:45 pm UTC

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nostalgia, 2004-03-10 12:26 am UTC

snacky, 2004-03-10 01:18 am UTC

sagralisse, 2004-03-09 11:42 pm UTC

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nostalgia, 2004-03-10 12:28 am UTC

sagralisse, 2004-03-10 01:09 am UTC

nostalgia, 2004-03-10 03:14 am UTC

sagralisse, 2004-03-10 05:26 am UTC

big_bad_wolf, 2004-03-09 07:58 pm UTC

maryavatar, 2004-03-09 09:41 pm UTC

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big_bad_wolf, 2004-03-10 07:25 pm UTC

edithmatilda, 2004-03-11 08:21 pm UTC

	big_bad_wolf 2004-03-09 03:57 pm UTC (link)
	Barbthebrazen does appear to a) have some idea that people are interested in her dinner and b) seem to be disproportionately upset about the use of the word "chickie", given the number of times she italicises it. ITALICS OF SARCASTIC RETRIBUTION! Man oh man. (Reply to this)(Thread)

mirabellawotr
2004-03-09 05:42 pm UTC (link)

Yeah, I was astonished at the extent to which my use of the word "chickie" caused her to froth at the mouth and gnaw chunks out of the drywall. To my eyes that word's not even particularly insulting.

It was sort of like the wank equivalent of tossing the basketball casually back over your shoulder on the way to the locker room and scoring a full-court nothing-but-net basket.

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blackjackrocket, 2004-03-09 09:34 pm UTC

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big_bad_wolf, 2004-03-10 07:27 pm UTC

maryavatar, 2004-03-09 06:13 pm UTC

(no subject) - wizzard, 2004-03-09 07:59 pm UTC

maryavatar, 2004-03-09 09:35 pm UTC

cesare, 2004-03-09 11:17 pm UTC

kannaophelia
2004-03-09 04:08 pm UTC (link)

Without knowing any of the backstory, either, I really don't see what the problem was with

versaphile's post to promote such an hysterical outburst by

barbthebrazen. I pimp my friends into my fandoms myself... it's only natural to want a fandom full of people who share your approach to fandom and who you can connect with.

Also without knowing any backstory, I want to smack

barbethebrazen for things like this:

I did however say I do not like you talking down to me and being talked down to by others. I refuse to take it in real life (professional and personal) and I refuse to take it on the net as well.

~sings We're not gonna take it anymore.~ So, she's refuses to take it. What, precisely, is she going to do about it? Makes me want to join in just to talk down to her.

I wish I saw enough Doctor Who to be a real fan, anyway.

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~reads further, is terribly amused~

kannaophelia
2004-03-09 04:25 pm UTC (link)

So, she's refuses to take it.

I can communicate in English, I promise. Just not, apparently, here.

Anyway... Class warfare? ~splutters coffee~ I want to learn how to "smack someone around" by "discussing fandom and dynamics", because it sounds like a novel and useful form of violence.

P'raps poor ickle

thegreatredone wakie-wakied on the wrong side of bed this morning, diddums?

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Re: ~reads further, is terribly amused~ -

nostalgia, 2004-03-09 06:03 pm UTC

Re: ~reads further, is terribly amused~ -

edithmatilda, 2004-03-11 08:27 pm UTC

Re: ~reads further, is terribly amused~ -

kannaophelia, 2004-03-12 03:55 am UTC

Re: ~reads further, is terribly amused~ -

edithmatilda, 2004-03-12 04:48 am UTC

	(Anonymous) 2004-03-09 04:22 pm UTC (link)
	There's LiveJournal Doctor Who fandom? Jeezey Chreezey, and I thought it was bad enough on good old rec.arts.drwho... I can tell you all about the 10 years of backstory there. :-D --Sean Gaffney (Reply to this)(Thread)

	mireille 2004-03-09 06:33 pm UTC (link)
	My hat is off to anyone who lasted ten years on r.a.dw. I only survived a couple before I ran screaming into the night. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-03-09 09:38 pm UTC

nostalgia, 2004-03-09 11:18 pm UTC

(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-03-10 02:20 am UTC

mireille, 2004-03-10 04:30 am UTC

	sagralisse 2004-03-09 04:28 pm UTC (link)
	I like this one: Them words is my words but gooderer. snerk! (Reply to this)(Thread)

	nostalgia 2004-03-09 06:04 pm UTC (link)
	Dam U! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

mpoetess, 2004-03-09 06:13 pm UTC

(no subject) - coreopsis, 2004-03-09 06:34 pm UTC

deoridhe, 2004-03-09 07:41 pm UTC

sagralisse, 2004-03-09 06:37 pm UTC

	*(ded)* ecchaniz0r 2004-03-09 07:15 pm UTC (link)
	The 'monkey' thread (the first one on the page) which segues into insane mock-the-art-film nonsequitur has had me laughing like a loon for five minutes. Oh god, I think I remember what song that is... (ded againe, like Hieronymo) (Reply to this)(Thread)

judyhazeleyes, 2004-03-09 09:28 pm UTC

ecchaniz0r, 2004-03-09 11:58 pm UTC

	(Anonymous) 2004-03-09 11:07 pm UTC (link)
	That was... interesting. I expect the fans will shortly grow yet more... vocal, when the new series hits the small screen. BBC are currently commissioning for it.I believe it's due to air autumn/end of 2005 (verry roughly) so expect lots of "X should be the new Doctor!" "OMFG look what they did to the Daleks!" splurty stuff soooon. Me, I can't wait. C. Random (Reply to this)(Thread)

nostalgia, 2004-03-09 11:16 pm UTC

	snacky 2004-03-09 11:27 pm UTC (link)
	Wow, maybe drama Queen Barb should get off the cross soon. The HP fans are getting ready to burn J.K. Rowling in effigy and they need the wood. Talk about a victim mentality. Way, way, WAY over-the-top there. (Reply to this)

	iamtheenemy 2004-03-10 12:01 am UTC (link)
	All I know about Doctor Who is that Vince on Queer as Folk likes it, and Stuart bought him a model K9 for his birthday. Is there really anything else we need to know? Steph (Reply to this)(Thread)

romana03, 2004-03-10 12:19 am UTC

judyhazeleyes
2004-03-10 02:41 am UTC (link)

that's just too funny. love the people standing back going "...wha? are we supposed to be indignant about something?"

seriously, if barbthebrazen wants to be angry about people accusing her of being a 'bad fan', she should try a music fandom - i'd recommend pink floyd or radiohead.

"your interpretation of this completely nonsensical lyric is not identical to mine. as i am such an uberfan that i am able to channel the deepest and innermost thoughts of thom yorke, this means that you are a gibbering idiot and must be fed to rabid wolves."

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	nostalgia 2004-03-10 08:04 am UTC (link)
	http://www.livejournal.com/users/versaphile/969610.html?thread=3525770#t3525770 Further wNak as proficcer turns up to take sides and squee at "pretty" boys! OmG teh l33t! (Reply to this)(Thread)

(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-03-10 12:59 pm UTC

moonjaguar, 2004-03-11 01:05 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-03-10 04:27 pm UTC (link)

I was hoping that this would have all died down by now but since it hasn't here's the backstory on this issue. Backstory to the Saga of Versaphile (http://www.livejournal.com/users/edithmatilda/177414.html) This all took place over a year ago and we have all dealt with the type of comments I took offense to since it occurred.

I would provide more links to other comments in her journal but I have been removed from access. However, there have been other examples of this type of behavior. One such I can remember is her calling the Doctor Who fandom that existed boring and not to her liking. She says she wants meta but when we give her meta we are told we are willfully misinformed.

You may believe the post was unwarranted, however once you view all the facts it becomes quite clear.

Sincerely,
~ (http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=barbthebrazen)BarbtheBrazen (http://www.livejournal.com/users/barbthebrazen/)

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Funny that *you* should be trying to give us perspective... -

kannaophelia, 2004-03-10 04:55 pm UTC

Re: Funny that *you* should be trying to give us perspective... - (Anonymous), 2004-03-10 08:56 pm UTC

Re: Funny that *you* should be trying to give us perspective... -

moonjaguar, 2004-03-10 10:37 pm UTC

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nostalgia, 2004-03-11 01:21 am UTC

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kannaophelia, 2004-03-11 03:35 am UTC

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edithmatilda, 2004-03-11 01:57 am UTC

mpoetess, 2004-03-10 09:09 pm UTC

nostalgia, 2004-03-11 01:18 am UTC

mpoetess, 2004-03-11 04:46 am UTC

(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-03-11 05:43 am UTC

mpoetess, 2004-03-11 06:07 am UTC

phosfate, 2004-03-16 07:16 pm UTC

	(Anonymous) 2004-03-11 03:36 am UTC (link)
	But what about Karen Mccoy? (Reply to this)(Thread)

(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-03-11 12:44 pm UTC

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