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	Isn't the entire discussion a little silly? kannaophelia 2003-04-11 09:26 am UTC (link)
	They're all about eleven years old, aren't they? ~blinks~ I mean, I have no doubt that you can have straight or queer crushes at eleven, but isn't it a little, um, early to be hit with a label like sexual fetishist? ~goes back to reading in wonder~ (Reply to this)(Thread)

	Re: Isn't the entire discussion a little silly? lcsbanana 2003-04-11 05:59 pm UTC (link)
	coughnocough I could explain more if you want, but...uh...no. It's really really not. (Reply to this)(Parent)

Heh. Not all the posts are wanky, but...

kannaophelia
2003-04-11 09:43 am UTC (link)

When asked, I do not like to label Tomoyo as a lesbian. I do, however, say that she is completely in love with Sakura, in that romantic, more-than-friends way. [...] If people want to use that to say she's a lesbian, I suppose that would make sense, but that doesn't seem to exactly "work" for me.

Good grief. So, even though I'm marrying a woman, I'm not really a lesbian, because it hasn't ever been proved that I'd fall in love with or be attracted to any other woman? You can't be queer and faithful?

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elysian
2003-04-11 09:54 am UTC (link)

oh good Bowie. CCS is a shoujo fluff manga. WHO CARES?

one of the characters in the series is paired with her teacher. Because 10-year-old girls get crushes on older people like that - is it the dark and pedophilic underbelly of CLAMP? no, it's every little girl's harmless fantasy. (Anyway, regarding the issue of gay in the manga, CLAMP said themselves that by Sakura's easy acceptance of the many different relationships she encounters, they were just hoping to give children an open-minded and healthy attitude toward love.)

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	kyuuketsukirui 2003-04-11 08:23 pm UTC (link)
	Yeees, but the fact that the teacher reciprocates those feelings creeps me the hell out. Seriously. Grace (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

elysian
2003-04-11 11:16 pm UTC (link)

well, something about the abundance of sparkly eyes and shoujo bubbles and pretty floral borders.. the whole treatment is so obviously the stuff of childish girly fantasy that it never really bothered me.

CCS charms the hell out of me; at its core, it's just sweet and unfailingly optimistic. In-depth psychological analysis is so pointless and wanky with this type of series.

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	kyuuketsukirui 2003-04-11 11:32 pm UTC (link)
	I really hadn't thought of it that way before. I'll have to drag my manga out of the closet and look through it again. Grace (Reply to this)(Parent)

cesare
2003-04-11 10:15 am UTC (link)

I have no respect for CLAMP's writing ability, and the ending of CCS is a huge example why. To see people argue (at length, even) something that was so bad in the first place...

Meh? I'm curious, what's so bad about it? I mean, the writing in CCS is no great shakes, but it's intended for a young audience and I think it works pretty well on that level. Plus there's canonical Touya/Yukito slashy goodness. What's so bad about that?

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eris
2003-04-11 11:12 am UTC (link)

I guess to put it simply, CLAMP never finished what they started. There's a lot of elements that CLAMP just plain dropped at the end, and never bothered to even hint at what was going to happen. (Such as, what will happen to obsessed Tomoyo? Does Touya ever get his magic back? Does Yue finally get over the death of Clow? What will happen between Nadeshiko and Fujitaka? And what about those student/teacher relationships? etc etc etc.) Instead, we get an extremely cliched ending that doesn't solve any of the issues that CLAMP presents.

It's frustrating because while CLAMP did make some good, interesting characters for CCS, the plot pretty much completely fell apart in the end

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	phosfate 2003-04-11 04:32 pm UTC (link)
	She's. In. The. Fifth. Grade. She doesn't have to declare a sexual major until at least the Ninth. And even then, like as not, her career will be in a completley different field. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	nita 2003-04-11 05:43 pm UTC (link)
	I heart you. Yet again. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	phosfate 2003-04-11 06:00 pm UTC (link)
	As well you should. (Reply to this)(Parent)