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Gabby Hope ([info]gabbyhope) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-03-16 20:27:00


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Current mood:tired

The young are much easier to wank -- version lotrips, take, um, something in the thousands?
Not entirely wanky yet, but mock-worthy just the same.

A charming girl by the name of Allie writes a Dom/Billy fic aptly entitled "You Can't Rape The Willing."

Sayeth the header: Yes please [as to feedback], but constructive criticism only. I don’t want any people bitching about me because they don’t like the idea of writing about rape. I gave you all fair warning.

She posts it both to fellow_shippers and monaboyd, of course, and that's when things go bad for our little Allie. Several people chime in, but this is the consensus:

A person does not decide he/she likes being raped, particularly during the rape itself, unless that person has some serious psychological problems. Rape is not the beginning of a relationship, ever.

Kudos. But, oh, Allie defends herself! And guess what her argument is?

...why did you read it if you were just going to bitch about it. I realize this is a VERY touchy subject, and i know quite a lot more about rape than any of you think. My sister was raped, i heard all about it first hand. I do not think of this subject as something to glorify, even though i did.

Yes, a rape in the family comes with the percise credentials needed to write a horrificly bad story in which a character not only decides that he enjoys being raped by his best friend, but that he is in love with said rapist.

That'll do, pig. That'll do.




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[info]rowan
2004-03-17 03:40 am UTC (link)
I do not think of this subject as something to glorify, even though i did.


................

Logic failure! Brain will shut down in five seconds!



*brzap*

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[info]iamtheenemy
2004-03-17 03:45 am UTC (link)
“Are you just going to leave without finishing me off?” I can’t believe the words that are coming from Billy’s mouth. He wants me to finish him off? “Billy…” But he stops me from talking by leaning up and kissing me. The kiss is soft, and sweet. Just like Billy.

Aww, Billy's so soft and sweet. I'm glad I forced him into non-consensual sex.

Steph

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(no subject) - [info]mariagoner, 2004-03-17 05:15 am UTC

[info]cesare
2004-03-17 03:48 am UTC (link)
I've happily read and written noncon. The problem with this story isn't rape; the problem with this story is the lousy writing.

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[info]judyhazeleyes
2004-03-17 03:52 am UTC (link)
honestly, this fic could be about cute little kittens and unicorns and rainbows and i'd still be offended by it. why? because it's really, really bad.

but seriously... why even take on rape in rps? both are such touchy topics at the best of times, i don't see the point in combining them to create one giant explosion, much less in a form that has so little to say about either - if it were trying to make some sort of statement, i might be able to excuse it.

this just reeks. absolutely reeks.

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(no subject) - [info]arabella, 2004-03-17 04:24 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]onetrickpony, 2004-03-18 06:52 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]oxydosic, 2004-03-17 05:12 am UTC
alright, that's it. - [info]judyhazeleyes, 2004-03-17 05:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mee, 2004-03-17 05:19 am UTC
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Re: - [info]serpentis, 2004-03-18 12:01 pm UTC
Re: - [info]l_s_q, 2004-03-18 01:27 pm UTC
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(Anonymous)
2004-03-17 03:54 am UTC (link)
You know, the wanks are starting to blur together.... When are we going to get to the milk here?

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(no subject) - [info]resmiranda, 2004-03-17 04:00 am UTC
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BWAHA! - [info]singe, 2004-03-17 04:04 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]telesilla, 2004-03-17 04:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nekoneko, 2004-03-17 04:34 am UTC
HP plagiarizing LOTR - [info]redina, 2004-03-17 05:35 am UTC
Re: HP plagiarizing LOTR - [info]darkrose, 2004-03-17 06:49 am UTC
Re: HP plagiarizing LOTR - [info]telesilla, 2004-03-17 01:07 pm UTC
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Re: - [info]subtle_knife, 2004-03-18 04:26 pm UTC
Re: - [info]ari_o, 2004-03-18 04:49 pm UTC
Re: - [info]subtle_knife, 2004-03-18 04:56 pm UTC
Re: - [info]ari_o, 2004-03-18 05:07 pm UTC
Re: - [info]subtle_knife, 2004-03-18 05:09 pm UTC
Re: - [info]ari_o, 2004-03-18 05:45 pm UTC
Re: - [info]delfeus, 2004-03-18 12:38 am UTC
Just bcause no one has for a while
[info]the_squid
2004-03-17 04:04 am UTC (link)
SQUIDWARTS 4 EVAH!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111ONE!!!!!

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(no subject) - [info]mopeymoppet, 2004-03-17 04:10 am UTC
Re: Just bcause no one has for a while - hi_yo_tinfoil, 2004-03-17 04:17 am UTC

rum_tum_tum
2004-03-17 04:05 am UTC (link)
Uh-oh, Allie has the "If you don't like it, then don't read it!" logic going on. And simply stating your opinion on something, especially when it's negative, isn't necessarily "bitching". Allie had every right to post her story, and she cannot take away anyone else's right to give her their positive or negative opinions, even though the "Your story is so great! I absolutely loved it!" is the prefered feedback, in her case.

Yes, a rape in the family comes with the percise credentials needed to write a horrificly bad story in which a character not only decides that he enjoys being raped by his best friend, but that he is in love with said rapist.

My thoughts exactly.

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(no subject) - rum_tum_tum, 2004-03-17 04:10 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-03-17 09:57 am UTC

[info]shanalle
2004-03-17 04:09 am UTC (link)
ok what's even more disgusting than the plot itself is this, a comment by [info]iamsmall:

-sigh-
Oh, how I wish I were Dom. Hell, Billy's good for me, too.

I've never read a fic written from both sides. I like it a lot. :)


i really wish i were a sexual offender/victim of sexual violence, too, man.

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(no subject) - [info]gabbyhope, 2004-03-17 04:18 am UTC
Re: - [info]shanalle, 2004-03-17 04:21 am UTC
Re: - [info]gabbyhope, 2004-03-17 04:22 am UTC
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[info]singe
2004-03-17 04:11 am UTC (link)
Suddenly my icon is sooooo appropriate. Myself, Allie's writing and attitude is just over-the-top enough for me to suspect a troll.

But the people who actually LIKED the story?! There's no saving them.

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[info]arabella
2004-03-17 04:17 am UTC (link)
Well... if nothing else, she posted a warning. That's makes up for it, right? Right?

...

Yeah, didn't think so.

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OT - [info]ruaki, 2004-03-17 09:37 am UTC
Re: OT - [info]arabella, 2004-03-17 02:43 pm UTC
Re: OT - [info]sagralisse, 2004-03-17 04:35 pm UTC
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[info]lulinda
2004-03-17 04:29 am UTC (link)
Here's the first problem right in her warning:

WARNING: THE WHOLE PLOT TO THIS STORY IS A RAPE BETWEEN DOMINIC AND BILLY.

A rape between Dom and Billy. Like a conversation between Dom and Billy. Or tea, maybe, between Dom and Billy.

Let's not even get into the magic moment when Billy has his realization...

Gawd, I think this chick just wanted the Dom and Billy action and decided she wanted to be "different" about how she got there.

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[info]toxictattoo
2004-03-17 04:32 am UTC (link)
...

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[info]irisanderson
2004-03-17 04:43 am UTC (link)
WTF?
I will never ever read RPS again. *cries*

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[info]morganya
2004-03-17 04:54 am UTC (link)
I haven't even read it, and I feel like I'm going to be ill.

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(no subject) - [info]judyhazeleyes, 2004-03-17 04:57 am UTC
(no subject) - redwarrior, 2004-03-17 04:01 pm UTC

pooka
2004-03-17 04:55 am UTC (link)
Why do I do things (like, oh, say, click on links?) when I know I shouldn't? When I know they will leave me traumatized and scarred? Squicked beyond all reason?

Just....yuck. Yuck all around.

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[info]faultypremise
2004-03-17 04:56 am UTC (link)
...

You know, I can't think of anything more demeaning than thinking my sister would write lame, crappy rapefic based on anything I told her about being raped.

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(no subject) - [info]fishandbicycle, 2004-03-17 05:08 am UTC
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[info]bunny
2004-03-17 05:12 am UTC (link)
Rapefic. It's like rape in a way.

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[info]selene_avis
2004-03-17 05:21 am UTC (link)
I do not think of this subject as something to glorify, even though i did.

Er...at least she/he is honest with herself/himself?

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(no subject) - pooka, 2004-03-17 05:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]chibicurmudgeon, 2004-03-18 07:05 pm UTC
Hah!
(Anonymous)
2004-03-17 05:27 am UTC (link)
I imagine that knowing somebody who has been raped gives you a "I can write ridiculous rape fic!" card. That just *excuses* the idiocy of the whole fic.

Warnings mean nobody can criticize you, right? They mean that people can only say "OMG. I so lieke want to Dom in tht fic!!!11!!" I don't think so. *g*

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Alas, her argument doesn't hold up... - [info]cesare, 2004-03-17 06:20 am UTC
Re: Alas, her argument doesn't hold up... - [info]bookshop, 2004-03-17 06:41 am UTC
Re: Alas, her argument doesn't hold up... - [info]anatsuno, 2004-03-17 10:51 am UTC
Re: Alas, her argument doesn't hold up... - [info]smo, 2004-03-17 05:33 pm UTC
Re: Alas, her argument doesn't hold up... - [info]croik, 2004-03-17 05:55 pm UTC
Re: Alas, her argument doesn't hold up... - [info]sagralisse, 2004-03-17 06:02 pm UTC
Re: Alas, her argument doesn't hold up... - [info]smo, 2004-03-17 06:20 pm UTC
Re: Alas, her argument doesn't hold up... - [info]sagralisse, 2004-03-17 07:02 pm UTC
Re: Alas, her argument doesn't hold up... - [info]smo, 2004-03-17 07:50 pm UTC
Re: Alas, her argument doesn't hold up... - [info]croik, 2004-03-17 07:02 pm UTC
Re: Alas, her argument doesn't hold up... - [info]zana16, 2004-03-17 10:23 pm UTC

[info]rebeccasama
2004-03-17 06:06 am UTC (link)
I accidentally saw a few sentances of that...er..story.. I think I'm blinded for life.

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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-03-17 05:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]croik, 2004-03-17 05:57 pm UTC

[info]geekmagirl
2004-03-17 06:56 am UTC (link)
Seems like it's been deleted from monaboyd. Loved the replies on that thread.

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[info]sillywalks
2004-03-17 07:02 am UTC (link)
God, people suck.

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[info]htrismegistus
2004-03-17 11:01 am UTC (link)
Yes, a rape in the family comes with the percise credentials needed to write a horrificly bad story in which a character not only decides that he enjoys being raped by his best friend, but that he is in love with said rapist.

I am sorely tempted to stroll on in and mention that I hope her sister and her rapist are still living happily ever after.

'Cept, this chick's badfic shouldn't be her sister's problem. Nevertheless, the temptation remains.

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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-03-17 05:35 pm UTC
Re: - [info]htrismegistus, 2004-03-19 08:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-03-19 04:37 pm UTC

[info]jar
2004-03-17 11:56 am UTC (link)
And it's gone. But WHY is the wank gone!?

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(no subject) - [info]lots42, 2004-03-17 01:27 pm UTC
Re: - [info]jar, 2004-03-17 03:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-03-17 05:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bunny, 2004-03-17 07:10 pm UTC

[info]meatfight
2004-03-17 03:49 pm UTC (link)
(I'm not sure if my deleted post shows up or not as deleted, and I KNOW it's wanky to delete a post, but I questioned the wisdom of insulting her hometown [I'm from a town nearby] when she is a minor. So I'm reposting without the town-bashing.)

Dude, that title alone is like seventeen kinds of wrong. I... I have no words.

I think I'm also in agreement that the problem isn't the subject matter, it's the horrible, horrible writing. (Then again, I'm not sure I'd read rape fic anyway, but that's probably because most of it is crap. I'd probably read it if it were from a writer I like.) It hurts me to look at that fic. I only skimmed it, because ew. EW. Even if it were a totally different subject, it would still suck.

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