snarl
2004-03-20 10:27 am UTC (link)

Yeah, because anyone who posts this:

pixyteri
2004-02-09 04:35 (link)
Dear, it's not offensive. ...Stopping point. Right. You act like I'm a bloated cow that weighs 270 pounds. Now THAT is indecent exposure. But REALLY, who would you be to tell someone of that size to stop cosplaying? LET PEOPLE LIVE THEIR LIFE.
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is toooootally on the side of the angels, isn't even remotely an asshole, and not possessed of a double-standard at all.

Yeah, points off for the anon's posting in her journal, but this dimwit is just as prejudiced and pathetic as the people she's arguing against.

It's okay for HER as a fat woman to cosplay, but fuck those 270 pound heifers? Right. Sure. Nice precise number there. Wonder how the stupid bint came up with it.

Either you stand up for the notion that cosplay okay for EVERYONE, regardless of body type or weight, on principle, or shut the fuck up and accept that you're always going to be judged based on broad community standards, which chances are you aren't gonna meet. Either fight the good fight, or shut the fuck up and deal.

(Also, is this really fandom wank? Splitting hairs, but it's less a product of fandom per se than lameass teenaged boytrolls.)

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	snarl 2004-03-20 10:34 am UTC (link)
	goes back, rereads Okay, so at least she had the basic integrity to imply that the "270 pound heifers" should get to cosplay. Still, fucking anorexic Jesus on a bardex enema nozzle, what the hell is up with the anti-fat nastiness? As long as she's 269 pounds or less, it's okay if she makes nasty comments, but the anons can't? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	squib 2004-03-20 10:38 am UTC (link)
	I think they're both nasty. Nor do I understand why in the world she'd keep feeding this argument. Screen the anonymouse and move on. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	psychofangirl 2004-03-20 10:55 am UTC (link)
	That's pretty much how I see it too. She was fighting fire with fire and it only made things worse. I would have either ignored the anon comments or deleted them outright. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

iczer6
2004-03-21 04:41 am UTC (link)

I would have either ignored the anon comments or deleted them outright.

That's easier said then done.

I'm not agreeing with what she did but it was a human reaction, those guys/guy were being complete assholes for no real reason, and I can understand why she'd lose her temper.

Though it is nice to know that being overweight means I'm not human in some people's eyes.

[Just wait for the next ice age. Then we'll see who has the upper hand.]

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	psychofangirl 2004-03-21 05:01 am UTC (link)
	Ehehehe...yea, I figured my blubber is what helps me resist the cold! :D (Reply to this)(Parent)

	psychofangirl 2004-03-20 10:56 am UTC (link)
	I never said she was innocent, but it's obvious that she was striking back in any way possible. Doesn't make it right, but when someone throws around insults, some people will insult right back. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

snarl
2004-03-20 11:18 am UTC (link)

I never said she was innocent, but it's obvious that she was striking back in any way possible.

Doesn't make it right, but when someone throws around insults, some people will insult right back.

Yeah, uh, see generally, you're supposed to insult the people insulting you. Not the people they're insulting, which includes you.

Because that would be fucking stupid.

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	(Anonymous) 2004-03-20 11:57 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, that. Or you could just be a decent person and not throw insults back at all. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	liarliar 2004-03-20 10:43 pm UTC (link)
	[irony] Of course, by saying that, you're implying she's not a decent person. Which is an insult. [/irony] (Reply to this)(Parent)

virago
2004-03-22 06:19 am UTC (link)

Read the whole thread - definitely a double standard. "I'm a PARAGON OF HOTNESS blah blah curvaceous blah I'm-every-woman blah anyone thinner than me is anorexic blah blah I'm the hottest thing on earth, unlike those other hideous heifers, who should keel over and die."

Ummmmm... yeah.

FWIW, I'm sure she's a nice person blah blah disclaimer, but it sure isn't helping her case for acceptance and whatnot to say that everyone thinner than herself is "anorexic" and everyone heavier is a "heifer." So basically, the only truly attractive person on earth is... herself. Okay!

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sillywalks
2004-03-20 12:14 pm UTC (link)

I think she's cute. She's really pretty, and you can tell she's enjoying herself in the pictures. She has a nice smile. She's having fun. I find that totally attractive. And anyway, the comments about her weight are stupid. She's not even fat! I assume she's American, and aren't about half of them overweight? She's like, average sized. But whether she's American or not is beside the point - I mean, in general, I wouldn't call her fat. If I saw her walking down the street, I wouldn't think, "Oh my God, it's a FAT PERSON!" Well, as long as she wasn't wearing that, I suppose.

There are nice-looking people with fat on their bodies, and then there are FAT tub-of-lard people that make you go, "OMGWTF?MY EYES!!!"

I know who I'd rather see in a short skirt.

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	singe 2004-03-20 05:30 pm UTC (link)
	Half of us are NOT fat! Half of us are just...um...too short for our body weight. No, BIG BONED! We're big boned! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	psychofangirl 2004-03-20 08:09 pm UTC (link)
	AHAHAH! Too bad I'm not. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sorchar 2004-03-21 10:23 am UTC (link)
	I, personally, have very large bones in my ass. (Reply to this)(Parent)

azarias
2004-03-21 03:17 am UTC (link)

There are nice-looking people with fat on their bodies, and then there are FAT tub-of-lard people that make you go, "OMGWTF?MY EYES!!!"

And then there are those of us who give up meat, sugar, and as many fats as possible, count calories for years, exercise, and still can't even pass by the non-plus-sized section
without some dickbrain like you sneering at us.

So, um, I think what I'm trying to say, really, is fuck off.

Yeah. That sounds right.

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sillywalks
2004-03-22 05:40 am UTC (link)

Easy, greasy.

I'm actually more likely to be the one being sneered at. I'm certainly not all skin and bone, myself.

You seem to have misunderstood my comment, which is perfectly okay, because I guess I didn't make myself very clear. I was not making fun of "fat" people (like the girl in the cosplay pictures who people were calling fat -- I don't think she's fat at all) -- in fact, the whole comment was pro-"fat" people. When I said "FAT, tub-of-lard people", (which I admit I should not have said, and apologise for) I was referring to very, very large people who wear very small clothes. Not very, very large people in general. I think a person can weigh a great deal and still look nice, if they wear the appropriate clothing for their size. What I didn't make clear enough was that my comment was directed at the handful of extremely overweight women who go around wearing mini-skirts and boob tubes. In my opinion, it doesn't look attractive. And I'm not going to retract my comment that those women wearing those clothes gives me an "OMGWTF?MYEYES!" impression, because it does.

I'm very sorry for offending you. I never make fun of overweight people, but if I see someone who I feel is wearing something inappropriate, I will express that I don't think they should wear that. That's all. I have never, and would never say anything like "ooh, that person needs to lay off the pies" or whatever. Just that if they want to wear clothes that reveal a great deal of their body, I'm not going to think it looks good. They can still wear it, I just won't like it. I don't think it's sensible of them. *shrug*

Again, I do apologise, and will now stop wanking. *Kleenex*

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	sorchar 2004-03-21 10:21 am UTC (link)
	There are nice-looking people with fat on their bodies, and then there are FAT tub-of-lard people that make you go, "OMGWTF?MY EYES!!!" And then there are snotty, judgmental people who have nothing better to do than make fun of people who are overweight, that make you go "OMGWTF? MY BRAIN!!!" (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sillywalks 2004-03-22 05:45 am UTC (link)
	Tee hee. Snotty and judgemental. If only you knew. I already apologised for the comment points up. But I don't mind repeating myself, so hear it is again: sorry! Comment cheerfully withdrawn. Didn't mean to offend anyone. Will watch my mouth from now on, once I get my foot out of it. Peace out. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sorchar 2004-03-25 06:44 am UTC (link)
	Fair enough. But next time you lose a finger. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	hm_ 2004-03-20 12:34 pm UTC (link)
	What is cosplay? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2004-03-20 03:10 pm UTC (link)
	Short for costume play. It's a common thing in anime/gaming circles to dress up as a favorite character. Mostly this is done for conventions and anime club events, but some fans of visual kei(Japanese rock involving lots of make-up and unique costumes) will cosplay as their favorite musicians everywhere. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	virago 2004-03-22 06:10 am UTC (link)
	Erm... non-anime fans do it too. Klingons at Trek cons, anyone? (No, we are not different from them in the slightest.) Short version is "those crazy fans who dress up at conventions." ;) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2004-03-22 07:46 pm UTC (link)
	It's also perma-wanky whenever it shows up on a non-cosplay message board/community/etc. ~cb (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2004-03-20 01:19 pm UTC (link)
	My seven year old daughter, who is FF obsessed, was so impressed by the pictures that she a. is now demanding a Yuna costume and b. has requested immediate adoption by the woman in the pictures so she can have a "cool mom like that". Logan, logane on LJ (Reply to this)

Holy wtf

rinoared
2004-03-20 02:54 pm UTC (link)

I have to paraphrase someone here: Just because you're not swearing like a sailor doesn't mean you're flaming like a troll. The anons were trolling. The cosplayer (who I think was NOT fat, there's a middle ground between thin and fat and I'd say she qualifies) took the bait though, but I can at least understand that as a very human reaction.

The costume isn't even that revealing. Honestly, thin woman in bikinis at the mall = not indecent, yet that cosplayer = indecent? Bitch please.

My inner feminist is boiling with rage from that virginity thread too. Need a chill pill here stat.

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	gaisce 2004-03-20 10:13 pm UTC (link)
	Someone needs to send those anons pictures of hairy man Faye and see how they like them apples. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	MAN-FAYE! aruru 2004-03-20 10:24 pm UTC (link)
	grins That guy is my hero. ~~He broke fragile fanboy minds with so much style.~~ (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: MAN-FAYE! ironymaiden 2004-03-21 03:40 am UTC (link)
	He broke MY mind! I saw him in person, stood 2 feet away from those bare, hairy asscheeks. It made me want to cry and spork out my eyes. Then I just looked at the pretty boy cosplaying Locke and I felt much better. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: MAN-FAYE! aruru 2004-03-21 03:49 am UTC (link)
	Then I just looked at the pretty boy cosplaying Locke and I felt much better. Woah, woah. Are there pictures of him around? I must see this for myself. >:D (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: MAN-FAYE! starherd 2004-03-21 05:57 am UTC (link)
	Try this... oh, wait, sorry. I meant this. Mmmm, Amano costumes... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: MAN-FAYE! elysian 2004-03-21 06:25 am UTC (link)
	...g... guh. _ [clubs the Locke and Celes; drags back to cave] (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: MAN-FAYE! iczer6 2004-03-21 08:15 am UTC (link)
	[clubs the Locke and Celes; drags back to cave] Hey if your gonna do that then you have to share with the rest of the fans. [Major props to them both what great costumes!] (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: MAN-FAYE! aruru 2004-03-21 06:34 am UTC (link)
	Oh WOW. Those two are too farkin' pretty. _ GREAT costumes, both of them. And love that the guy went all the way with imitating the Amano art and put on lipstick. <3 (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: MAN-FAYE! starherd 2004-03-22 09:57 am UTC (link)
	Somewhere, I have a pic of the top of his head. I made him bend over so that I could document that he even did the many-patterned hat just right. 'course, darned if I know where my AX03 pics are. I think they're on my husband's computer, or still on a spare memory card... the one above is on one of my friends' sites. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: MAN-FAYE! psychofangirl 2004-03-21 08:31 am UTC (link)
	OH my GOD! He looks just LIKE Locke! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sagralisse 2004-03-21 01:12 am UTC (link)
	You see, children. This sort of situation is the reason we have the "Okay" icons for trolls. Do you all have yours handy? Show Aunty Sagra! (Reply to this)(Thread)

	psychofangirl 2004-03-21 01:13 am UTC (link)
	Unfortunately, I haven't made any yet. Maybe I should. Heh. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sagralisse 2004-03-21 01:21 am UTC (link)
	It'd be a good idea. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	psychofangirl 2004-03-21 09:50 am UTC (link)
	Yea, especially with a drunk cat! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	elle 2004-03-21 09:41 am UTC (link)
	Yes'm. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sorchar 2004-03-21 10:21 am UTC (link)
	Here's mine! Though, now I want a screen cap of Dave Chapelle as Lil Jon to make one with. goes to hunt (Reply to this)(Parent)

	eljuno 2004-03-22 08:50 am UTC (link)
	Yes, and... (Reply to this)(Parent)

	eljuno 2004-03-22 08:50 am UTC (link)
	Yes! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sagralisse 2004-03-22 03:20 pm UTC (link)
	Ha. Good one! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	chaobell 2004-03-22 05:07 pm UTC (link)
	'eere! (Reply to this)(Parent)