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白い竜 ([info]shoiryu) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-03-22 19:36:00
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Current mood:*thud*

[info]beatprogeny has been wanking all over the Elfwood Rant community for a while now, and we've pretty much given up on reasoning with him.

Today, however, he has a problem with an Aragon/Legolas picture he found while surfing Elfwood. And boy is he angry. When informed that if he doesn't like it, he doesn't have to view it, he throws a complete hissy fit, telling people that if THEY don't like HIS rants, they need to "get the fuck out".

Small now, but these things never stay small with this guy.


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[info]loki
2004-03-23 03:27 am UTC (link)
Well, he certainly picked the wrong picture to prove his point. I mean, yeah it's a slash picture, but the artist doesn't even like pairing.

Man, I'D draw a Legolas/Aragorn sex scene if I was getting paid well for it.

Mmmm, hypocrisy! He edited the picture's link out of the post, too.

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[info]shoiryu
2004-03-23 03:32 am UTC (link)
Mmmm, hypocrisy! He edited the picture's link out of the post, too.

He's weird that way. He'll say something and then when someone comes along and is like, "Uh, actually you're wrong" he gets all contrite- sort of- and starts going, "Oh, well, I didn't mean THAT, exactly..."

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[info]senor_pinata
2004-03-23 04:06 am UTC (link)
Well, shit. I wanted some Aragorn/Legolas hotness!

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You mean like this? - [info]serai, 2004-03-27 10:17 am UTC
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[info]ellensmithee
2004-03-23 08:31 am UTC (link)
And I totally undersand the payment thing. Man, I'D draw a Legolas/Aragorn sex scene if I was getting paid well for it.

LOL! I was thinking that slash fandom should have a fund-raising so that we can pay him to draw Legolas/Aragorn smut.

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[info]kookaburra
2004-03-25 01:14 am UTC (link)
That's what really got me-
he'd accept PAYMENT to draw slashy fanart, which is violating copyright (or something)and could be argued to be disrespecting the author or heirs- but it's not OK to do it for fun and no profit?

Did I miss a memo?

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[info]bohicamouse
2004-03-23 03:33 am UTC (link)
That's a DAMN good point. The author's intent and values are every bit as important as their characters.

ERRRRRR! I'm sorry, that's incorrect! Care to give it another go?

I too really REALLY FUCKIN HATE comming across slash crap like in the link you gave. The art itself in slash is often done so wonderfully, and IF I can ignor the subject matter I can sometimes appreciate it BUT NOT WHEN I SEE SNAPE AND HARRY or LEGOLAS AND ARAGORN GOING AT IT! I mean, COME ON!!! yaoi is one thing. But slash like thta..NO NO NO!!!!! It just completly KILLS a wonderful work of art in my opinon!

So yaoi is okay as long as it's just holding hands and picking daisies but if the characters express any sexual desires at all it's icky and wrong and bad! And the commenter is using a Gojyo icon. <3.

I love how later it becomes one of those "I'm not angry. You're angry. No, I'M NOT ANGRY I SWEAR! I'M NOT EVEN RAISING MY VOICE!" arguments.

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[info]panthea
2004-03-23 04:08 am UTC (link)
Wow. They do know that is essentially what "yaoi" is, right?

...Didn't think so.

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[info]delfeus
2004-03-23 07:54 am UTC (link)
I can sometimes appreciate it BUT NOT WHEN I SEE SNAPE AND HARRY or LEGOLAS AND ARAGORN GOING AT IT!

Crap! And I'd pay to see that! You know, let me know where you've seen them buttfucking and I'll give you a scarf to cover your eyes with, then we'll both be happier...

Foursome, anyone? *grin*

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[info]terminal_frost
2004-03-23 03:33 am UTC (link)
My response to one of BP's comments:

"This community exists for the sole purpose of allowing people to bitch about Elfwood-related topics"

"Enlighten this n00b here and explain to me how slash is an Elfwood-related topic beyond what's posted up there on the site.

Slash is all over the place on the internet, not just Elfwood."

This stuff really just annoys me.

So what if it's not a pairing that exists in the canon of a universe? Should that really matter?

I support pairings in the HP-verse that are hardly canon (Snape/Hermione; Snape/Tonks), yet the fact that they're not canon but fanon (any pairing not strongly indicated in the canon is or could be seen as "fanon") never stopped people from supporting it.

And do we really need the author's permission to support a 'ship s/he never intended to make canon? Especially in fandoms where the creator is deceased (if anyone knows how to get in touch with Carroll, Lewis, Tolkien and others, let me know)?

Really... I have no idea what this guy's going on about, other than, "if it doesn't match my view of The World of Fantasy (I remember his "I hate this depiction of a fantastic beast" rant from last week), then I'm going to rant about how much I hate it and how much I don't want to see it anymore; in place I want to see this (*insert subject here*)".

Gah.

I guess BP's one of those "bitching for the sake of bitching; just give me some ammo with which to start the bitch-fest"-type people.

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[info]iczer6
2004-03-23 03:38 am UTC (link)
but because it's WRONG, and utterly disrespectful to the creators' visions, and the ideas that they worked lifetimes to make real for their enjoyment and ours.

'Because how DARE anyone view the relationships between fictional characters as something other than what I personally approve of.'

And: 'it's okay for people to be gay as long as they don't do things like have sex, or touch each other.

Does that cover it?

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[info]pirotess
2004-03-23 03:50 am UTC (link)
That's some serious backpedalling after [info]uminomamori's reply... XD Go Kyrn!

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(Anonymous)
2004-03-23 04:00 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I've been reading this guy's entries over on Elfwood for a while, and in the end I really just have one question: How old is this kid, anyway?

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(no subject) - [info]shoiryu, 2004-03-23 04:01 am UTC
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your mom here. - [info]judyhazeleyes, 2004-03-24 07:30 pm UTC

[info]panthea
2004-03-23 04:30 am UTC (link)
I've ranted at length on why "having a presumably straight character express homosexual desires" does NOT = "OMGCANONRAPE!"

Because lord knows every character is staunchly heterosexual until proven otherwise, with photographic evidence and pie charts. Resolutely heterosexual, even. There's no such thing as bisexual! Nosirree! Why yes, sexual preference is in fact an utterly integral part of one's personality, thus making all non-canon slash automatically OOC! Subtext? What's that?

In short... WTFever, dude.

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Big thumbs up to your rant! Also: - [info]smo, 2004-03-23 05:14 pm UTC
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pooka
2004-03-23 04:41 am UTC (link)
Y'know, lots of people have come up with really good points as to why slashing characters isn't on par with pissing on the author's grave, but I can never get past this one simple fact:

They are NOT REAL PEOPLE. They are IMAGINARY. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHO THEY BANG.

I apologize for the gratuitous caps usage.

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Urge to kill rising...
[info]iczer6
2004-03-23 04:41 am UTC (link)
Part of what weirds me out about this trend is that most of the time, male-on-male slash is created by straight girls, which makes no sense to me. For what POSSIBLE reason could heterosexual females find gay male porn interesting or worthwhile?

Yes because females should never EVER show interest in anything besides vanilla, missionary sex with their husband for the sole purpose of having babies.

From dreamt
For a lot of girls, it hits too close to home to write or read sex involving another woman. Some girls have trauma in their past and feel uncomfortable with it, others just feel like it's too personal, too private, like reading about their own sexlife.

Sometimes there are NO FUCKING WORDS for how stupid someone is.

Can we call Dan Savage to lay the grand holy smackdown on this prick?


ICz

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[info]nessa_t
2004-03-23 07:20 am UTC (link)
He should just get off his high horse and stop yakking about how it is disrespectful to portray LOTR characters as homosexual characters. If he reads the text more closely, he will find that there are textual evidence of male/male love between the characters (not necessarily sexual in nature).

Take Legolas/Gimli for example. Legolas/Boromir even (I always thought that perhaps Legolas might have admired Boromir from afar since he called the latter Boromir the "Fair" :P)

But whatever... This crazy talk annoys me as well.

*changes channel*

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[info]liarliar
2004-03-23 09:07 am UTC (link)
All I can think of is the pretty, pretty Legolas/Gimli I found on Elfwood a long way back. Gimli's beard was braided. Braided in a manly dwarfly fashion, you understand.

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(no subject) - [info]kannaophelia, 2004-03-23 02:52 pm UTC
Re: - [info]liarliar, 2004-03-23 10:30 pm UTC
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Re: - [info]kannaophelia, 2004-03-24 12:56 am UTC
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... - [info]liarliar, 2004-03-24 08:16 am UTC
Link! Gimme! - [info]cjk, 2004-03-23 04:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]alpheratz, 2004-03-23 07:53 pm UTC
Was that pic one of Sabra Hart's? - [info]nolifeking, 2004-03-23 08:13 pm UTC
Re: Was that pic one of Sabra Hart's? - [info]liarliar, 2004-03-23 10:32 pm UTC
Re: Was that pic one of Sabra Hart's? - [info]tiasian, 2004-03-24 12:12 am UTC

[info]cjk
2004-03-23 10:27 am UTC (link)
Quiiiiiite apart from everything else - 'cause hey, as a longtime slasher and writer (OMG, theirloveissoOOC), what can I say that hasn't been said already?

But: Small now, but these things never stay small with this guy.

I'm sick, I know, but this made me think of something entirely different.

...sorry. ;)

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[info]phosfate
2004-03-23 04:27 pm UTC (link)
...if someone suggested to me (being the Tolkien nut I am) an Eowyn/Grima match, I'd probably spinkick their big dumb melon off their neck.

'Cause Grima don't want Eowyn at all. Nope. Nope. Nothing there.

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[info]napoleon
2004-03-23 06:31 pm UTC (link)
". . . no, no, but because it's WRONG, and utterly disrespectful to the creators' visions, and the ideas that they worked lifetimes to make real for their enjoyment and ours."

Man, that makes me want to show him what wrong really means.

Hemingway/Fitzgerald. Rand/her typewriter. Stalin/Trotsky. Stalin/dead!Kirov. dead!Plath/fangirls. Snowball/Napoleon. John Edwards/John Kerry. John Edwards's wife/Howard Dean's wife.

I maintain that I'm perfectly sane. Everyone has thoughts like these.

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(no subject) - [info]kijikun, 2004-03-23 06:52 pm UTC
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(Anonymous)
2004-03-23 07:22 pm UTC (link)
I'm amused by how nachtritter continues to not understand the concept of fan fiction and fan art. Because, you know, fan works are practically canon!

-thwackboom, who is too lazy to remember her password.

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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-03-23 07:53 pm UTC
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[info]arien
2004-03-23 07:57 pm UTC (link)
Is there a law for when someone says that a certain pairing/story/fan art/movie is "raping the canon/author's vision"? If there isn't, there should be.

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(no subject) - [info]diamonde, 2004-03-24 01:27 am UTC
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[info]miome
2004-03-23 08:17 pm UTC (link)
Oh yes, because every fan is so enamored of JRR's works, that they should hold them up like golden shining ideals of perfection. (Yes, I'm being redundant, shut up.) Noone could possibly write fic as a criticism for the lack of homosexuality in LotR, or to resolve their feelings of admiration for the work with their own ideals, or to re-interpret the work in light of their own ideals. No sir, nothing like that going on, just pure mindless admiration.

Rabid Tolkien fans can suck my theoretical left nut.

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Hey! I resemble that remark! - [info]serai, 2004-03-27 10:47 am UTC
Huh
[info]nabiki_gmyw
2004-03-23 08:45 pm UTC (link)
I'm ashamed to admit it, but I do sorta kinda understand and even agree with some of his points whaa! don't hurt me! I guess the real question is where does the original story end and the fan's story begins. Some people are perfectly happy to go crazy with the author's world, but others got into fanfiction to extend the story...or to put it another way, more of the same thing, so they're not fond of the craziness.

As for slash, I used to like it, but then the stories got repetitive and dull, and not very exciting (which is ironic, because the whole premise of slash IS excitement.) Because, lets face it, you can only read so many "OMGARAGON/LEGOLASTHERLOVEISSOHOT!1!!" stories before you snap...

And as for pairings, I go for the middle ground. For example, I can like Sam/Frodo, beacause its pretty damned obvious Sam had a SERIOUS crush on Frodo on the books don't shake your head like that, Mr Tolkien, you know it's true!. And Grima/Eowyn? Maybe, after all, the good does allow the possibility. But what about the really weird pairings, like Sauron/Eowyn or better yet, Pippin/Palatril? I know it's out there, I just know it... It's one thing to use the book's original subtext, quite another to TACK subtext where it has never existed.

Does that make sense? Any sense at all? I guess what I'm trying to say is, well, here why can't we all just get along?

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Re: Huh - [info]iczer6, 2004-03-23 10:10 pm UTC
Re: Huh - [info]resmiranda, 2004-03-24 04:22 am UTC
Re: Huh - [info]shoiryu, 2004-03-23 10:49 pm UTC
Re: Huh - [info]phosfate, 2004-03-23 11:08 pm UTC
Re: Huh - [info]shoiryu, 2004-03-23 11:56 pm UTC
Re: Huh - [info]nolifeking, 2004-03-23 11:15 pm UTC
Re: Huh - [info]necronomist, 2004-03-24 01:34 am UTC
... - [info]purest_chaos, 2004-03-24 03:11 am UTC
Re: Huh - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-03-24 04:31 pm UTC
Re: Huh - [info]chibicurmudgeon, 2004-03-24 04:02 am UTC
Okay, then!
[info]kindest_demon
2004-03-24 12:34 am UTC (link)
Despite the wide variety of wank available here from "help, help, I'm being oppressed" to "OMG, only I</i> know what the author wanted his characters to be," my favorite is actually [info]fallen_silver's

If anyone ever wrote fanfic about my characters without permission - which I'm never going to give anyone - murders would happen, whether it's severely OOC or not. They're my characters. I created them, I know them, I say what happens to them.

with a guest appearance by the equally illogical [info]nachritter.

In which they state they will absolutely never allow people to have alternate views of their art, probably because they will never sell any. =)

Damn consumers of art and their blasted "interpretations." What's the world coming to?

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Re: Okay, then! - [info]diamonde, 2004-03-24 01:39 am UTC
Re: Okay, then! - [info]kindest_demon, 2004-03-24 01:43 am UTC
Re: Okay, then! - [info]diamonde, 2004-03-24 02:25 am UTC
... - [info]kindest_demon, 2004-03-24 08:22 am UTC
... - [info]diamonde, 2004-03-25 12:39 am UTC
... - [info]kindest_demon, 2004-03-25 05:23 am UTC
Re: Okay, then! - [info]crickets, 2004-03-24 01:46 am UTC
Re: Okay, then! - [info]kijikun, 2004-03-24 02:44 am UTC
Re: Okay, then! - [info]resmiranda, 2004-03-24 04:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]amakath, 2004-03-24 05:39 am UTC
Re: Okay, then! - [info]eris, 2004-03-24 07:24 am UTC
Re: Okay, then! - [info]diamonde, 2004-03-25 12:45 am UTC
Re: Okay, then! - [info]kindest_demon, 2004-03-24 01:43 am UTC
Invoking the Rice - [info]arielchan, 2004-03-24 05:19 am UTC
Re: Invoking the Rice - [info]kindest_demon, 2004-03-24 08:20 am UTC
Re: Okay, then! - [info]serai, 2004-03-27 10:53 am UTC
Re: Okay, then! - [info]kindest_demon, 2004-03-30 04:00 am UTC

  
   
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