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Nessa ([info]nessa_t) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-03-28 02:18:00


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Current mood:*sporfle!*

OMFG!!!!111!! Child porn at LOTR RPS group!
Hmmm, two wanks in the space of a few hours might seem a little ambitious, but I think this is a little too good to miss. So I present to you, the LOTR RPS wank from a yahoo group by the name of CharactersInBloom.

NOTE: Some names have been edited out to protect the identity of the clueless.



Apparently, Haleth had issues with one of the drabbles an author wrote, which incidentally mentions a 16 year old Henry Mortensen in a... compromising position with a certain Orlando Bloom.

Note, i said mentioned. There was no indication of the actual sexual encounter taking place, nor referances to naked penises or orgasms. But there was mention of a naked Henry on the bed with a naked Bloom as seen in just ONE line here...

“You were both naked,” the older man said through gritted teeth, “in bed,” he advanced towards a cowering Orlando, “how the FUCK is that not what it looks like?”

and then another here...

“At what point did it seem like a good idea to have sex with your best friend’s (Note: Viggo in this case)son? He’s 16! It’s illegal!

Now, if you are squicked by it, you'd prolly give one short comment that expresses displeasure or shake your grey head in dismay at how much the moral values of our youths have deteriorated as compared to the times you had like 50 years ago.

But our dear friend, Haleth, got all OMG OFFENDED.

Here's what was said in chronological order.

What are the group rules on child pornography?

Haleth


It all went well for her... for the moment, with the following post...


i would think that would be a pretty obvious no go area haleth.

just for the record the age of consent in england is 16 im not sure
about the rest of the world. but anything under that age would be counted as abuse.

i hope that helps.


That is, until someone pointed out that there MIGHT be a possibility that she was over-reacting a little.

The question is, what's explicit?As to age of consent, it varies from state to state in the US, just as it varies from country to country in the world.

And then another...

I will fight to ban child porn to the death, but I don't feel that this fic is a fight that I would pick. The kid (Henry in this case) was a jumping off point, not an actual entity to the story. To avoid this in the future I would just eliminate the problem and just stay away from the whole thing.

But our dear friend, being the champion of all things holy and pure (despite the fact that she writes porn herself, hence this tribute to her superior intelligence), disagrees...

It was metioned explicitly in the story that the child was 16 years
old, that he was found naked in bed with an adult, and the fact that
the act of bedding him was illegal was stated in the story.

There are Yahoo rules about age and consent, and if you don't think
Yahoo would love an excuse to get rid of an explicit slash site,
particularly in the case of RPS, you're terribly naive about the
state of censorship in America.

Self-righteous bit.. Haleth


And still people try to reason with this "mare" that had somehow galloped off too fast and too soon. (the wankage of course. Not her. Now why would I call her that?)


All right... point taken. For that, at least. But it's not 'sexual'... it
takes for granted that there is sexual conduct in the background, but it
doesn't go into it besides a brief mention. That's why, while I'll agree
that it's not appropriate for this to be written, I still think it's not, by
any means, porn.

I'm not claiming that this is all right. I'm not justifying it, saying it
should be posted everywhere, or even particularly defending the motivations
of the author. I just think that claiming that this is porn is going a bit
far, and that putting the label of 'child porn' on it is inaccurate.


And more...

I haven't read said story, but what I've read of the arguements I tend to side with you. What story was this? I completely missed the whole thing and now it's a big fuss.... don't see the big deal. Someone made a mistake, give them a break.

But would she back down? A thousand times no! She will fight to the end to defend helpless 16 year old Henry against the perversion of this one author... or at least look stupid DIE trying. (sorry, it's 2.39 am here, and I'm a little sleepy hence these TERRIBLE OMG typos.)

The policy I've seen at other groups is that stories are not allowed
in which people under the age of 18 engage in sexual activities, no
matter how explicit.

The authorities take sexual activity as just that, and rarely care
about the actual portrayal of the sex. In my neighbourhood a very
well-known portrait artist (he was one of Pietro Annigoni's last
students, I know him because I studied with one of his students)was
giving workshops in mass drawing and graphite rendering. One of his
paintings, in the classical style including cherubs , was featured on
the poster announcing the workshop. A local restaurant with the
poster in the window was visited by the vice squad after a complaint
of 'child pornography" was made. Now, this was a painting along the
lines of Bougereau's "The First Kiss", and there was no explicit
sexual activity going on. (If you don't know that painting or the
artist, do a search - Bougereau was an amazing painter, and sometimes
maligned for nudity etc in his paintings of classical scenes - it was
sort of photorealistic fan fic!)Didn't matter - there was naked kids
in it. (Thankfully, the complaint was dropped when the cops realized
how ludicrous it was, and who the art teacher was.)

If I were only concerned with my personal response, I would be
calling for warnings (it was rather sickening to read for me, mother
of a teenage boy).

But this is about the security of the whole group, you me the
moderators, every writer, every reader and every lurker. If you want
to keep the group and the site, you have to follow the rules.

Haleth


Of course, she convenient forgets that she's in a group where people thrive on daily porn fanfics and that minors weren't actually allowed in this group as it was especially for adults... But this we must overlook because Haleth the great, one with the great mind and great arsenal of vocabulary MUST always be right, because I says so. Yes. I says so. mutters under breath

So as our brave wankee champion (sorry, sorry. Just a slip of the middle finger) faces reason and logic from all sides, the Moderator decided to step in and erase all traces of wankerage to save the reputation of their precious group as seen here...

While the issue in this thread is serious and of great importance to the world at large, it has run its course for the context of this group. The conflict that created it has been resolved and therefore, I request that the discussion be taken off-list now.This is not to silence your voices or to belittle your opinions; it
is simply to maintain the focus of this group.

Moderator


*cue music and FADE TO BLACK*

Wow... this is better than Days of Our Lives. *grins*



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[info]l_s_q
2004-03-27 09:19 pm UTC (link)
There are Yahoo rules about age and consent, and if you don't think
Yahoo would love an excuse to get rid of an explicit slash site,
particularly in the case of RPS, you're terribly naive about the
state of censorship in America.


Riiight. Somehow, can't see the wrath of Yahoo bearing down on the group for that brief, non-explicit mention.

Someone has one hell of a case of paranoia, don't they?

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[info]nessa_t
2004-03-27 09:26 pm UTC (link)
Well... she's got a lot of things... but apparantly the capacity NOT to over-react is one of them.

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[info]lots42
2004-03-28 04:02 am UTC (link)
Dude, it's Yahoo. Yahoo is nuts.

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(no subject) - [info]nessa_t, 2004-03-28 07:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]l_s_q, 2004-03-28 06:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lots42, 2004-03-28 06:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rann, 2004-04-04 01:35 pm UTC

[info]mariagoner
2004-03-27 09:34 pm UTC (link)
Possible child pornography in the LOTR fandom?

...Hell, there could be snuff pornography in the fandom, and I wouldn't be surprised. The fans there are CRAZY, yo. They're capable of doing anything at this point.

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[info]msilverstar
2004-03-27 09:57 pm UTC (link)
ph33r us!

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[info]delfeus
2004-03-27 09:58 pm UTC (link)
Dude, I thought there was? At öeast I've heard that the RPS there can get bit... weird.

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[info]xeno4eyes
2004-03-28 01:28 am UTC (link)
And you haven't even seen what we can do given a turkey baster, an orange, and five hours.
*shudders*
I... I still have to talk to my special friend sometimes.

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(no subject) - [info]froda_baggins, 2004-03-29 05:05 pm UTC

[info]nessa_t
2004-03-28 02:43 am UTC (link)
:D we have a good mix of all that is porny, incestuous, slashy, pervy etc etc. Just take your pick, man. We rock!

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[info]sorchar
2004-03-28 10:24 am UTC (link)
*My* fandom already has snuff! And I wrote it! *is inappropriately smug*

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[info]gal_montag
2004-03-27 10:06 pm UTC (link)
Doesn't child pornography involve, like, children? Prepubescent ones? Because that's kinda what I always thought the line was.

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ataniell93
2004-03-28 12:03 am UTC (link)
NOT ONLY does child pornography have to involve children, they also have to be real. And really involved, not just in someone's fantasies.

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(no subject) - [info]beccastareyes, 2004-03-28 02:10 am UTC
(no subject) - ataniell93, 2004-03-28 02:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]gal_montag, 2004-03-28 06:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lots42, 2004-03-28 04:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]also_not_a_pipe, 2004-03-28 08:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sorchar, 2004-03-28 10:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]also_not_a_pipe, 2004-03-28 08:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rann, 2004-04-04 01:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nessa_t, 2004-03-28 02:46 am UTC

[info]rann
2004-04-04 01:39 pm UTC (link)
Eh, that doesn't stop people from screeching and calling anyone that looks at art/fic/whatever of young people pedos. But then, that is what asshats do: make idiotic flames and bitch a lot.

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OMG I feel so dirty!
(Anonymous)
2004-03-27 10:10 pm UTC (link)
I had no idea chanslash was so evil! I must repent, burn my previous writings, and turn back to the pure world of oldpeople!smut.

Golly, these people better not trek into the HP fandom. The wank would be increadible.

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Re: OMG I feel so dirty!
[info]doyle
2004-03-28 01:11 am UTC (link)
Or even QAF-UK, where one (extremely sexually active) main character is a 15-year-old boy. And another main character canonically lost his virginity to a teacher at age 12.

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Re: OMG I feel so dirty! - [info]panthea, 2004-03-28 01:28 am UTC
Re: OMG I feel so dirty! - [info]doyle, 2004-03-28 01:32 am UTC
Re: OMG I feel so dirty!
[info]nessa_t
2004-03-28 01:32 pm UTC (link)
turn back to the pure world of oldpeople!smut.

Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ah ah ah ah hahahahahah!

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(Anonymous)
2004-03-27 11:07 pm UTC (link)
She's the parent of a teenage boy, yet considers this child pornography? Does she have no clue what extent her teenage son will go to in order to get laid? Sixteen year old boys are not children.... they're horndogs with mostly bad haircuts. I feel bad for her kid if she's this out of touch with reality.

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[info]visp
2004-03-27 11:56 pm UTC (link)
Agreed!

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-03-28 05:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]arielchan, 2004-03-28 07:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nessa_t, 2004-03-28 01:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rann, 2004-04-04 01:41 pm UTC

ataniell93
2004-03-28 12:00 am UTC (link)
This chiquita Haleth, she has never seen HPSlash. When I used to mod it anyway. If that's what she thinks the Yahoo groups rules are, anyways.

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[info]mooncalf
2004-03-28 01:35 am UTC (link)
I've gotta say, though, calling Bougereau's work 'photorealistic fan fic' (wouldn't that be fanart? um, but I digress) made me snorfle. That's, uh, actually pretty apt...

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(Anonymous)
2004-03-28 09:57 am UTC (link)
No user account yet; sorry. You can call me The Lady Amalthea, or whatever pleases you.

"Of course, she convenient forgets that she's in a group where people thrive on daily porn fanfics and that minors weren't actually allowed in this group as it was especially for adults... But this we must overlook because Haleth the great, one with the great mind and great arsenal of vocabulary MUST always be right, because I says so."
- Nessa Tuckalme

Yeah, I wouldn't want to sound articulate like Haleth either if I were Nessa, whose fictions are just soo well written in comparison to Haleth's; no way Nessa could be jealous. And I bet Haleth doesn't like all the 14-year-olds who pose as adults and infest explicit fanfiction sites either, because god knows that they aren't a significant portion of the reader/authorship! Really, no one is turning a blind eye to this stuff. The statistics at 'The Journal of Slash Research' at The Library of Moria don't prove that they are or anything. Though I don't know why Haleth wouldn't want to play with kiddies.

"The policy I've seen at other groups is that stories are not allowed
in which people under the age of 18 engage in sexual activities, no
matter how explicit." - Haleth

Oh tell me she didn't invoke Yahoo TOS like the mod at Deleterius did recently! I've never seen a Yahoo group pulled down for such a minor infraction, even when it's repeatedly committed at a group - the Yahoo Groups Abuse squad doesn't take these things seriously, even when someone reports it! Shit, we should all do it for fun just to see what happens. Follow the rules? As Cpt. Barbarossa says of the Pirate 'code' in PotC: "Their more like guidelines than rules, anyway."

Ah, hell with her. The fifteen-year-olds at the group know better.

I call 'wank' on the "OMFG!!!!111!! Child porn at LOTR RPS group!" wank.

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(no subject) - [info]nessa_t, 2004-03-28 01:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-03-29 03:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nessa_t, 2004-03-29 06:42 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-03-29 07:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nessa_t, 2004-03-29 08:48 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-03-29 09:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nessa_t, 2004-03-30 04:28 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-03-29 02:22 pm UTC
IT WAS ME!!!
(Anonymous)
2004-03-28 12:26 pm UTC (link)
Alright! I admit it! It was me! I'm the one who wrote that *evil* drabble which sugested a 16 y/o doing it with a 27 y/o. I'm an awful, awful person who should be punnished in the worst possible way! *dramtically throws one hand over his forehead and clutches his chest with the other other*

- Jeff

P.S. I think Nessa's fics are way better than Haleth's :)

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Re: IT WAS ME!!! - (Anonymous), 2004-03-28 12:45 pm UTC

[info]jar
2004-03-28 01:08 pm UTC (link)
She's offened because someone wrote about a SIXTEEN year old having sex with some older?

...

She obviously hasn't been in the fandom long enough to discover the Daniel Radcliff/Elijah slash... or... then there's the Jeremy/Dom...

Heheh.

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(no subject) - [info]nessa_t, 2004-03-28 01:19 pm UTC
Re: - [info]jar, 2004-03-28 03:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-03-29 03:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nessa_t, 2004-03-29 06:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nessa_t, 2004-03-29 06:46 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-03-29 07:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nessa_t, 2004-03-29 08:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2004-04-04 09:38 pm UTC
Re: - [info]nessa_t, 2004-04-05 02:57 am UTC
Re: - [info]singe, 2004-04-05 03:19 am UTC
Re: - [info]nessa_t, 2004-04-05 03:44 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-03-28 04:00 pm UTC (link)
Now, if you are squicked by it, you'd prolly give one short comment that expresses displeasure or shake your grey head in dismay at how much the moral values of our youths have deteriorated as compared to the times you had like 50 years ago.

Would it be evil of me to just request a link to said story instead?

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-03-28 09:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-03-28 10:14 pm UTC

rachelthedemon
2004-03-29 04:03 am UTC (link)
She also seems to forget that this is, y'know, fiction. While the characters may be based on/bear the names of real people, the work itself is still entirely fictional, taken as fictional, and intended for entertainment purposes only. If the authorities are going to come after a written story for non-explicit/alluded sexual content involving (possibly) a minor, then by rights Dawson's Creek should have never been aired (at least I THINK Pacey was underage when the affair with his teacher started). It's not technically child porn if it doesn't involve, y'know, real children.

Needless to say, I find this pretty damn amusing.

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(no subject) - rachelthedemon, 2004-03-29 06:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nessa_t, 2004-03-29 06:48 am UTC
(no subject) - rachelthedemon, 2004-03-29 07:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nessa_t, 2004-03-29 08:56 am UTC
(no subject) - rachelthedemon, 2004-03-29 04:22 pm UTC
Re: - [info]nessa_t, 2004-03-29 05:03 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-04-22 09:18 pm UTC (link)
I know I'm like a million months late, but I just wanted to add that I thought what this Haleth bitch did was very underhanded and dirty. I find her fics dry and boring and stuck up in their own arrogance and ten dollar words. During this entire thing on CIB I just SOOOO despirately wanted to write her and say "Ya know, I bet your teenaged son fucks bitches on your bed when you're off with all your famous art friends"

I mean JESUS! The woman writes pornography herself. Should we get into how dirty I think that is? (I don't, but I could make a nasty point about her being such a devoted mother and writing gay porn in her spare time between cleaning up the world for democracy and all that trash) But yeah, she over reacts to fucking everything. I told my mother about the entire thing (she's 50) and she said "So just change the kid's age to 18 and then they can go back to reading their "regular" porn!" lol! I do love her. She's had teenaged kids and she didn't faint from the idea. Plus ya know what? Most teenagers don't wait until they're 18 to have sex. Plus it isn't child pornography/pediphillia if the child is 16yrs and older. It's a fact in DSM. She should check her fucking facts.

I can't stand her attitude at all. So yeah... I could go on and on about how much I detest her, but I've got better things to do.

~Lydia NightShade~

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