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The Mewling Rampalian Wretch Herself ([info]smit) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-03-31 13:45:00


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Billy Corgan - he's like Jesus, in a way.
Whatever I can do, I will, 'cause I want to... - Settle Down, Zwan

Billy, Billy, Billy. We all know that no one on the planet comes even close to your genius, but isn't money and fame enough for you?

Of course not, because now that he has billycorgan.com he has a public soapbox where he can preach about the wonders of God, squee over the cuteness of his kittens, and vilify his ex-bandmates.

First off, back in February, Billy decided to blame James Iha for the breakup of the Pumpkins. Spelling and punctuation is *all* his.

"...in the months to come, I am going to share some things with you that you have never heard me say...that doesn't mean I'm rewriting history, that means that I'm going to tell you the truth about who I am and what I believe in my heart...a lot of thing that I have said thru the years seemed confusing, like I was hiding something, and often times I was...'why', you might ask? Many times I hid things to protect my band mates...for example its been almost 4 years since I went my friend tami's radio show and announced that the pumpkins were breaking up...that day, when she asked why we were breaking up, I said something silly like 'I'm tired of fighting britney blah blah'...and it went on to be widely quoted, as if I was breaking up my love, my band, because of some pop star...13 years of my life, and you know, let's pack it in because their teeth are whiter...by saying that, I was seen as someone who was crying foul, taking his ball, and going home...which was sad cause it wasn't true at all...The truth of the matter is that james iha broke up the smashing pumpkins...not me, not jimmy, but james...did it help that d'arcy was fired for being a mean spirited drug addict, who refused to get help? No, that didn't help keep the band together, not at all...it made it very hard to go on, but we soldiered thru even though our hearts were broken...But d'arcy didn't break up the band, we didn't let her...and jimmy didn't want to break up the band, not at that time...and I would have gone on forever...the smashing pumpkins were essentially my entire life...a dream I still believe in...many friends at that time suggested letting james leave, so jimmy and I could continue on under the name...but I was too loyal to the man I started the whole thing with, and I protected him until the very end...right up until the last show on dec 2, 2002, when he thanked d'arcy on stage, but not the 2 men standing next to him...and I was loyal until he left the metro without even saying goodbyle, or an 'its been great boys!', or a simple "I love you" to us...no, james iha left the metro that night without saying goodbye to the 2 people he had won and lost and traveled the world with...so I won't be protecting him anymore...and I won't be protecting a whole lot of other people anymore...not because I don't love them (I Do!!) but because I love myself too...I want to say one more thing, and that is I appreciate you reading this... I want to remind you that I love you...God has given me the strength to say that to you, and I hope that you don't hide who you are...does it made me sad that I have hid myself all these years? No, it was what I had to do to survive, or at least what I 'thought' I needed to do...but surviving is not enough...we all deserve to flourish, and I know that happiness and joy...that is my new dream...the smashing pumpkins gave me that, and I am eternally grateful...especially to those that shared in the dream with me...even if you bought just one cd, or came to a show, you gave us that chance...we thank you for that...even if we don't always know how to show it...be well!! William"

A few days later, James Iha responds.

"Setting the record straight

I'm posting this here because BC hasn't set up a messageboard at his new site yet...

I just want to say that this thing about me breaking up the pumpkins isn't true, at all. the breakup was a joint decision...everyone realised it was coming to the end of the road and we were hitting a brick wall. it wasn't about me at all...everyone close to the band knows that, and billy knows it too. we sat down and had a meeting about it towards the end of the machina tour, and we were all in agreement that we should wrap things up, including jimmy and billy. I haven't spoken to him since then...and I'm saddened by the fact that he feels the need to use his weblog to rewrite history and bring up whatever bitterness he has stored from the past. because anyone who was with the band in the last days (ask melissa auf der maur) will tell you that the breakup was a collective decision, it wasn't about me. I'm not interested in getting into an argument about it because for me it's water under the bridge, but I wanted to give my side of the story for what it's worth.

peace out,

James"


Now, I know they're both completely full of shit. Billy is an egotistical pain in the ass, who KNOWS he's a genius and won't ever shut the fuck up about it and James is a whiny, passive-agressive jerkoff. Both of them both like to play the martyr card. But c'mon - why does the rest of the universe have to be privvy to their sad ex-rockstar battles?

Things sort of blow over and the industry world gets quiet - until last week, when Billy decided the Pumpkins horse had been beaten to a bloody pulp, and it was high time to go after to go after Zwan.

"...when the zwan record came out, i was questioned many times about my religious beliefs because of the inclusion of the song "jesus"...the basic question went something like this "are you a spiritual person" or "have you discovered God" or my favorite, "are you born again"?...i did not feel that a cd release on a major label that i was out there trying to hawk a bunch of immoral band mates (that does not include jimmy, by the way...he is one of the best men i know) was a place to talk about the deepest of issues...no, the internet is!!! :) jus' kiddin'..."

Of course, then David Pajo has to respond over on the Papa M messageboard (because he's not cool enough to have his own blog like Billy) and then the spooge begins to fly.

"hey I'm actually glad this was brought up

I've definitely taken the high road in regard to the z*** issue, because, even though I don't approve of the way things were handled, I've tried to be democratic and approach z*** from someone who loves instead of someone who hates. and I'd like to believe that the joy we had in the beginning was real and not a manipulation by someone who wanted to cash in on the p*******.

but b**** is spreading BLATANT UNTRUTHS about me, about paz, and about matt... I would love to tell the world the truth about what happened, about what really killed z***, about MORALITY. but I don't want to start a war, I want to forgive and forget.

mostly forget.

I never cared before, I'm more than happy to take the blame for being the "cancer" in z***, even though its completely untrue. I just know that b**** has to blame someone and I have nothing to lose, go ahead and dump it all on me.

I'd just like to put it behind me, so yeah... blame the asians (he thinks we're all sneaky anway, go figure). blame james for destroying the p*******, blame me for destroying z***. who cares?

but this is just getting ridiculous... I mean, if I'm going to take all the blame, why don't I take all the credit (and all the money) too?

it's obvious, I can't take the credit, I can't take the money, I can't take the blame. and anyone with half a brain can see it too.

I mean, I didn't make a dime from z***. I made enough to stay broke. someone in the band walked away with millions and it wasn't me, it wasn't paz, and it wasn't matt...

of all the people in the band, I stayed the most in the background and did my best not to rock the boat, I had the least amount of involvement. it just makes me an easy target if you need someone to blame. so draw your arrows, do your worst.

I'm not going to tell the world the truth, because its reactionary. but I'd like to write it down, for myself, and maybe the world will see it in thirty years or something... because b****'s trying to re-write history, and I'd like to put it down THE WAY IT REALLY WENT DOWN. not the way he twists it so that he comes out the innocent victim of our outrageous, shrewd personalities!

honestly, anyone that knows me KNOWS I'm just a geek that can barely find a pair of socks that match, and that my ambitions have nothing to do with bringing anyone down in any way at all. I couldn't be shrewd if I tried, because I don't look that far ahead, and honestly I just don't care enough!!!

I was there, as an observer, unjudgemental. any injustices I felt I kept to myself or only shared with close friends. but all this character assassination he's doing is pure vanity... and I refuse to resort to that level.

anyhoo

I apologize for this rant, I just had to vent. one of these days the record will be set straight, but I don't want to be the one to do it.

carry on, people!

there's so much great music ahead, from b****, from jimmy, from matt, from paz, from all of us... I don't want one person's demons to change your appreciation of any of it."


Woe, poor Pajo. He's hacked off that his cross isn't QUITE as tall as Billy's.

Isn't it nice to see that rock stars wank just like the rest of us?


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[info]stubbleglitter
2004-03-31 09:20 pm UTC (link)
Is there something in the absinthe that makes them all drop their capital letters and punctuate ENTIRELY WITH ELLIPSES? Good Lord.

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[info]smit
2004-03-31 09:50 pm UTC (link)
Musicans care not for the rules of the English language!

Which reminds me of something I read right here.

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[info]eljuno
2004-03-31 09:52 pm UTC (link)
Don't taunt poor Jules and his drunken, badly writing ramblings that got published in Rolling Stone 'cause he's a big ol' Rock Star now.

He's sensitive. And drunk.

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[info]smit
2004-03-31 10:03 pm UTC (link)
Hey, you *know* nobody loves Jules more than I do...but that was SO bad.

Sensitive and drunk is for writing songs, not articles about God the Velvet Underground. Not even if you met Lou Reed a couple days before.

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[info]smo
2004-03-31 10:21 pm UTC (link)
Goldie Hawn in The First Wives' Club:
"I drink because I am a highly sensitive and emotional person!"

Bette Midler (I think):
"No, that's why your co-stars drink!"

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[info]stubbleglitter
2004-03-31 09:57 pm UTC (link)
ahahahahaha! The comments to that are fabulous. *g*

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[info]xeno4eyes
2004-03-31 09:52 pm UTC (link)
They're being artistic. The ellipses represent the times when they're staring blankly into space trying to remember if they wiped their asses thinking deep, angsty thoughts.

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[info]stubbleglitter
2004-03-31 09:58 pm UTC (link)
Oh, I see! Kind of like when I overuse dashes when I'm trying to prevent myself from typing FUCK U over and over and over. *g*

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[info]eljuno
2004-03-31 09:54 pm UTC (link)
You think this is bad?

You need to meet Mr Ryan Adams.

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[info]stubbleglitter
2004-03-31 10:00 pm UTC (link)
Man. At least all my stupid boybanders do is TYPE ALL IN CAPS LOCK AND THEN USE THE WORD "ALOT" A LOT. Musicians are pretty dumb.

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[info]dexwebster
2004-04-01 01:41 am UTC (link)
But he did, I think, use proper punctuation. Lance on the other hand...

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[info]norabombay
2004-04-01 11:46 pm UTC (link)
Lance used a Kissing Chris emoticon. For which he will be forgiven many sins? Or was that Justin?

You know they both post in all caps ALOT.

The gay porn makes up for it though.

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[info]dexwebster
2004-04-02 12:06 am UTC (link)
Justin used the Kissing Chris and all caps and mispelled "a lot", but he had good mechanics otherwise. Lance's wasn't in all caps, but the mechanics...not so much. And he used way! too! many! punctuation marks!!!


And gay porn usually does.

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[info]norabombay
2004-04-02 12:21 am UTC (link)
The whole thing is perhaps an argument for not going to school on a bus.

Or more likely, that international pop stars have better things to do than spend a lot of time on line.

Like hot gay sex. Yes.

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[info]palingenesis
2004-04-01 12:58 pm UTC (link)
I'm seriously regretting not posting the Ryan Adams vs Jim DeRogatis wankfest from a few weeks back, now. Man, that boy can splooge.

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[info]ladyofviolets
2004-03-31 09:37 pm UTC (link)
And this just HAD to happen after my sister tortured me with listening "Disarm" about 25 times nonstop yesterday...

Damn it. I now have the damn song stuck in my head while I read this. Thank you very much *brain dies*.

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[info]smit
2004-03-31 09:45 pm UTC (link)
The wanker in me is the wanker in you...my love...

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[info]ladyofviolets
2004-03-31 09:53 pm UTC (link)
* I send a wank all over youuuuuu... *

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[info]greekhoop
2004-03-31 11:19 pm UTC (link)
"I'll wank you like you want me to
Wank that little..."

...Oops, don't think I'll finish that.

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[info]eljuno
2004-03-31 11:40 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I mean, it's totally against the community rules.

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[info]greekhoop
2004-04-01 01:11 am UTC (link)
I hear if I anger the comm, the members will eat me. I'm not taking any chances.

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[info]virago
2004-04-01 04:03 am UTC (link)
Cackling at the icon match. Oh yes...evil.

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[info]greekhoop
2004-04-01 04:27 am UTC (link)
I think this calls for some down and dirty icon twincest.

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[info]virago
2004-04-03 05:12 am UTC (link)
I meant in the "think of the children" sense, but SURE! that'd be sick spiffy and sick.

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[info]judyhazeleyes
2004-03-31 10:07 pm UTC (link)
... and who is supposed to care about all this, exactly? It was vaguely interesting when John and Paul did it, less interesting by the time Roger and David got to it, and it's a complete and total yawn now. Go bust a guitar and kick in your drumsets, boys - it's all been done.

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[info]smit
2004-03-31 10:14 pm UTC (link)
Oh don't even get me started on Roger and David.

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[info]judyhazeleyes
2004-03-31 10:20 pm UTC (link)
i wouldn't dare - that there is a massive wank-source in and of itself. people on message boards and the like still get all het up about which one actually had the talent, which one was the bigger arsehole, the validity of post-waters floyd, the validity of post-barrett floyd...

people, they were brilliant together and are mediocre apart. tale as old as time. get over it.

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[info]cleolinda
2004-03-31 11:24 pm UTC (link)
tale as old as time

Great, now I have "Beauty and the Beast" stuck in my head.

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[info]judyhazeleyes
2004-04-01 12:49 am UTC (link)
my job here is done.

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wizzard
2004-04-01 07:28 am UTC (link)
Since I have 3 Pink Floyd icons I feel the need to have one make an appearance.

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[info]kicklecubicle
2004-03-31 10:31 pm UTC (link)
Man, just change the names and you have...

Well, basically, you could create the whining of any band breakup. It's like mad libs!

"The truth of the matter is that (Bandmate #1) broke up the (Band name)...not me, not (Bandmate #2), but (Bandmate #1)...did it help that (Bandmate #3) was (Past-tense verb) for being a (Adjective) (Noun), who refused to get (Noun)?"

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[info]seldomnaughty
2004-04-02 02:31 am UTC (link)
Man. That's like a roadmap for just about any mediocre HP fanfiction. :-\

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[info]dlareme
2004-04-01 12:32 am UTC (link)
Oh my. Life so tuff for the poor dears.

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[info]dawnswalker
2004-04-01 01:34 am UTC (link)
Eh, I still listen to the Smashing Pumpkins, sometimes *quickly hides CDs*.

I just stay far, far away from the actual musicians, and the fandom.

*cough*And then I wonder when the inevitable Reunion Tour and/or Special Edition Uncut album(s) come out.

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[info]nessa_t
2004-04-01 04:28 am UTC (link)
If they are so famous, how come I haven't heard of them?

hmmmm.

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[info]delcj
2004-04-01 05:03 am UTC (link)
now i'm thinking maybe it was the combined divaliciousness of Billy & James that drove D'Arcy to drugs.

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[info]monkeywrench
2004-04-01 05:37 am UTC (link)
God, it reads just like whiny 14-year-olds' LJ wankdrama over prom dates or something. ('kassi i no wut ur goin on abuot dont tell me othrwise......n fyi i askd brian 1st u hv absloutly no rite 2 talk 2 me liek dat....... ive been meenin 2 tell u dis..ive had enuff of ur shiat,. BITCH!!!!!!!!!11!1')

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[info]xeno4eyes
2004-04-01 07:28 am UTC (link)
You do know, of course, that now someone has to make an icon of Corgan dressed up as Hilary Duff.

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[info]sparkysrevenge
2004-04-01 08:49 am UTC (link)
maybe it'll all come true, like our fantasies of snape dressed up as neville's grandma!

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[info]monkeywrench
2004-04-01 07:46 pm UTC (link)
And he should be sticking his tongue out at Iha, and the caption should be 'UR SOOOO YESTERDAY'.

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[info]apoplexia
2004-04-01 08:09 am UTC (link)
Even before I knew of the existence of wank, I thought Billy (sorry, William) was a tosspot. And that was with carefully avoiding ever reading a word he said. By gum, he's taken it to the next level here though. I actually thought James was being fairly reasonable.

but then I've had a soft spot for him ever since I saw him host rage with d'arcy

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[info]xeno4eyes
2004-04-01 08:35 pm UTC (link)
Billy is tantamount to a god.

He can write better, he can sing better, he can play better, he can dress better, he can do bald better, and gaddammit, he can wank himself off to outer orbit!

Billy is liek teh bestest evah!!!111!

/sarcasm

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