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	phosfate 2003-04-15 09:03 pm UTC (link)
	"If you can't write a song about something other than sex,getting drunk or doing drugs then it isn't a song." Form is determined by content! DO YOU *HEAR* ME, RAT PACK??? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	tempslut 2003-04-16 05:00 am UTC (link)
	I have a feeling this person would also have a problem with a good chunk of rock, country, and jazz music as well. Oh, and Cole Porter. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	phosfate 2003-04-16 05:23 am UTC (link)
	::nods:: She'd get no kick from champagne. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	tempslut 2003-04-16 06:01 am UTC (link)
	Mere alcohol doesn't thrill her at all. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	phosfate 2003-04-16 06:10 am UTC (link)
	So tell me, how could it be true She gets off on Will* (*nsync too)? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	tempslut 2003-04-16 06:48 am UTC (link)
	Don't forget Kevin. She loves those Joan Crawford-esque eyebrows. (Reply to this)(Parent)

sagralisse
2003-04-15 09:05 pm UTC (link)

Britannicamoore has a good gripe but she doesn't seem to be getting it across. Hip hop glorifies the shallowest set of values you can possibly imagine, and does so in a very loud way. Any message that's not about greed, sex or testosterone simply gets drowned out.

And of course she got called bigoted right away... sheesh. Why can't a black person complain about a dominant force in their culture that they consider to be negative?

As for me, more of Coolio's "Gangsta's Paradise" please. I adore complex vocal rhythms and word play, but if all you have to say is that you have bling bling (or you want to kick it with a bro that's got the bling bling) then I'm not terribly interested.

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	phosfate 2003-04-15 09:13 pm UTC (link)
	What exactly is 'bling bling'? Nobody will tell me. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sagralisse 2003-04-15 09:48 pm UTC (link)
	It's big chunky expensive jewelry... like a gold chain a big dollar sign pendant. Can also be money, I think (as in having the means to purchase said jewelry). However the slang changes from song to song... it's hard to tell. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	phosfate 2003-04-15 10:04 pm UTC (link)
	AH! Like Jeebs wears. Thank you. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	cimorene111 2003-04-15 10:06 pm UTC (link)
	i thought bling bling was platinum specifically. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sagralisse 2003-04-15 10:38 pm UTC (link)
	::shrug:: (Reply to this)(Parent)

	bling cesare 2003-04-16 12:29 am UTC (link)
	Nope. There is, I shit you not, a little store in my town called "Mr. Bling". All kinds of jewelry, and a specialty in gold caps (for teeth). (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: bling cimorene111 2003-04-16 01:11 am UTC (link)
	mr bling? HAHAHAHA! do they also have those caps with the diamonds embedded? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Yep. cesare 2003-04-16 01:23 am UTC (link)
	Oh sure. You can get (fake) diamonds spelling out different letters, etc. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Yep. cimorene111 2003-04-16 02:03 am UTC (link)
	!!!!!! that is soooooo... i don't know what it is. but it made me laugh a lot. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	darkrose 2003-04-15 09:48 pm UTC (link)
	As for me, more of Coolio's "Gangsta's Paradise" please. I adore complex vocal rhythms and word play Heh. The chorus and the title were taken from "Pastime Paradise," by Stevie Wonder. I found that especially ironic after Coolio got pissed at Weird Al for "Amish Paradise." (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kyuuketsukirui 2003-04-16 02:11 am UTC (link)
	Amish Paradise rocks. Grace (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sagralisse 2003-04-15 11:23 pm UTC (link)
	Nice recs later in the thread though. I was trying to think of a song that I really liked, and I think it was "First of the Month" by Bone Thugs n Harmony. (Reply to this)(Parent)

cesare
2003-04-16 12:37 am UTC (link)

Any message that's not about greed, sex or testosterone simply gets drowned out.

It's like any other genre of music. You have to dig for the good stuff.

There's tons of positive and/or intelligent hip hop-- The Roots, Black Star, Del the Funkee Homosapien/Deltron 3030, KRS-One, Anticon, Jungle Brothers, Blacklicious, Digable Planets, The Coup, De La Soul, Tribe Called Quest, Das FX, Rakim, Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Lauryn Hill, Wyclef Jean... you get the idea.

White Kids Love Hip-Hop!

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sagralisse
2003-04-16 01:14 am UTC (link)

At the risk of repeating the wank... I see my boyfriend's kids being much more influenced by the shallow rap (the kind you get if you don't dig and just listen to the radio and MTV) than my kids are influenced by shallow pop music. It just seems to me to be more influential among black kids... maybe because rappers are seen as being very successful.

Just comparing bad influences... my kids watch South Park. There's lots of cursing, but the messages are usually stuff like "don't be a hypocrite," and "don't be a homophobe," which IMO are actually sort of cool. The messages I see coming from a lot of the popular rap and hip hop are like "money is everything," and "make a guy show you respect by buying you stuff before you sleep with him." Those are the sort of messages that I'd rather my kids not embrace.

Yeah, yeah, parents should ban the rap... but they don't.

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iczer6
2003-04-16 02:22 am UTC (link)

>>Just comparing bad influences... my kids watch South Park. There's lots of cursing, but the messages are usually stuff like "don't be a hypocrite," and "don't be a homophobe," which IMO are actually sort of cool.>>

I agree, toliet humor aside South Park is a surprisingly intelligent show, one that does have occasionally have a good point and doesn't try to ram it down your throat.

Icz

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	katemonkey 2003-04-16 12:41 pm UTC (link)
	You linked to MC Chris. You're my new motherfuckin' hero. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	kimera 2003-04-16 10:55 am UTC (link)
	Randomly... one of my favourite songs is a rap song, "End of the Story" by Swollen Members. If only because I keep trying to figure out every band mentioned in the lyrics. "As 10,000 Maniacs emerge from an Oasis, it's Everclear my Soundgarden was invented to Blind Melons and Smash Pumpkins..." (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	oo dafnap 2003-04-27 11:00 pm UTC (link)
	best. icon. ever. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: oo kimera 2003-04-28 05:31 am UTC (link)
	Isn't Policeman Crais just spiffy? grins (Reply to this)(Parent)

maahes
2003-04-15 09:43 pm UTC (link)

50 cent is worth less than 50cents (shot 7 times? i would never let my child go see that)

But I take my kids out to see people getting shot all the time! You can't tell me it's not normal.

Wil Smith-he's the best example of the music industry i can think of to prove my point. He sold millions of records without using a single peice of profanity. Also he had subtance to his lyrics-and it wasn't just abotu cars or cash.

I am not even going to comment on the fact that Wil Smith can't rap for shit.

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	cesare 2003-04-16 12:40 am UTC (link)
	I am not even going to comment on the fact that Wil Smith can't rap for shit. But he gets jiggy with it! Doesn't that count for something? Also he had subtance to his lyrics Biggest laugh I've had all day. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: maahes 2003-04-16 01:31 am UTC (link)
	Will Smith lyrics: standing in a crowd of girls like an island I see the one I wanna sic come here cutie I flip 'em around and then I work that booty work the body work work the body I really don't think I need to continue, but as you can see, real substance. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	renjenri 2003-04-16 03:52 am UTC (link)
	And a wonderful, heart warming message! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	tempslut 2003-04-16 05:03 am UTC (link)
	Yes! Yes! If we let Will Smith work his body, $1 million gets raised every time for the March of Dimes! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	cimorene111 2003-04-15 10:07 pm UTC (link)
	she likes will smith AND nsync. both for their content, perhaps? (Reply to this)

	wizzard 2003-04-15 10:34 pm UTC (link)
	R Kelly isn't even a rapper. If you are going to complain about something, you should be a little more informed. Also, I don't think rap is incredibly worse than rock and roll for sex and violence. (Reply to this)

	snacky 2003-04-15 10:38 pm UTC (link)
	What's "crusing?" I'm thinking she meant either cursing or cussing, but maybe it's some rap lingo I'm not up on? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	morganya 2003-04-16 12:35 am UTC (link)
	Y'know, at first I thought she meant 'cruising,' and I was trying to think of what rap songs were about trying to pick up guys. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	phosfate 2003-04-16 01:01 am UTC (link)
	Perhaps she's thinking of the Pet Shop Boys. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Gaaah. mer1973 2003-04-15 10:42 pm UTC (link)
	I can't believe I read the whole thing. And would somebody please get that child a typing class. Also, 21? Yeah, right. Bet she's got an older sister too. (Reply to this)

	sagralisse 2003-04-15 11:14 pm UTC (link)
	I think that reis777 is a genuinely sweet person. <3 (Reply to this)

	nevadafighter 2003-04-16 12:48 am UTC (link)
	Also, R. Kelly raped that little girl, and he's a rapper, so, clearly, rap is bad. Wow. That is the worst example of syllogistic reasoning I've seen in quite some time. (Reply to this)

rhi_silverflame
2003-04-16 01:28 am UTC (link)

*adopts wild-eyed look, complete with foamy flecks of saliva flying from mouth*

Of course rap is bad! You can't have the word rape without rap!

(Seriously, though, I am not a fan of the genre, since I'm an acoustic instrument freak -- hence my addiction to bluegrass and Celtic. My thing is intricate instrumental harmonies and virtuoso playing, so rhythm and bass do nothing for me besides annoy me and give me a headache. And I too am disgusted with the aspect of rap that gets so aggressively promoted in the media.)

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	msmanna 2003-04-16 02:28 am UTC (link)
	Besides about two or three songs from them that were rather-....not vulgur but...off, those three songs didn't mention anything profound. She's talking about *NSync. I think 'profound' is meant to be 'profane'. Or not. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	tempslut 2003-04-16 05:05 am UTC (link)
	Was that a subliminable message? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	diamonde 2003-04-16 07:50 am UTC (link)
	I'd guess she's talking about 'digital getdown', which, I have to say, I found very profound. Especially the part in the live version where JC licks the microphone. Wanders away singing 'ride it ride it ride it giddy up now', nsync's ode to... horses. Yes, horses. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	bitterchick 2003-04-16 10:20 pm UTC (link)
	It was quite profound. And the way he humped the stage? Yes, that changed my life. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	chaya 2003-04-17 06:45 am UTC (link)
	music industary I have to say it: I don't think I've ever seen that typo before. (Reply to this)

	madmouth 2003-04-24 03:22 am UTC (link)
	There are very few good rap artisits (will smith is one who comes to mind) what? WHAT? what the FUCK is this bitch smoking? who in their right mind would call will smith a good artist? I'm not reading any further. the world has clearly gone insane. (Reply to this)