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M. ([info]morganya) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-04-12 22:35:00


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Current music:devlins - someone to talk to

Icons, icons everywhere, and not a copyright to infringe.
Backstory: Over on the Queer Eye For the Straight Guy LJ community, [info]easternbird posts some promotional photos obtained (apparently from Google) from Hollandse Hoogte, a professional media site. That particular post has been deleted. The maintainer of the site finds out and demands she remove the photos, threatening legal action. [info]easternbird complies. Wouldn't you? A day or two later, [info]saavira posts detagged versions of the promotional photos obtained from an earlier post in the community. This post is friends-locked.

Enter the sockpuppet.


I'd like to point you all over to my journal. Saavira, you are not protected by making your posts protected. You are still in violation of federal law and I would suggest, as such, you remove your post immediately instead of leaving it up until Friday. You have already been reported to the appropriate rights holders and I would not recommend further pressing the issue. Moderators, I would highly suggest reading my journal, as I will be reporting the community as a whole to Livejournal if you continue to allow copyright violations within the community. People who have turned the copyright-protected images into icons or are using icons of the images that others have made, if you do not remove them immediately, I will begin reporting you all individually as well.
Sorry folks, I hate doing this, but I'm an artist myself and you've got to learn the laws somehow. I've tried being nice and just warning people as an individual but nobody ever listens to me when I play nice, so I've started to just report people. As long as I am a member of this community, I will warn you once before reporting you, because I can see the protected entries. If I am banned from the community, I will simply report you without warning.
I hope you don't consider this too harsh of an option. I'm just looking out for the rights of my fellow artists. I would hate to see this wonderful community go, but I will not stand by while people act as if they are above the law and think this makes them gain a higher social standing. It doesn't. It's immature and disrespectful.
If you need an example of how to handle this in a mature manner, look to easternbird. They should be applauded for their reaction and I'd like to thank them for handling it that way and not thinking I am maliciously targeting them. As for the majority of comments on that post, it's a thoughtless reaction to blame the messenger. If you don't agree with copyright law, tell someone who has the capability of changing that law. Don't flame me for trying to protect my rights as an artist.
And, for the record, I am certainly not a stalker. Thanks.



There are 928 members of the community. She's picked a long, arduous path.

After laying in a dark room for four and a half hours trying to get rid of a godawful migraine I've had all day, I realize I overreacted. I'm truly sorry about that. I know I need some serious counseling. And to be brutally honest, I did have a very sad childhood, though I don't see why you find that to be humorous.
Saavira, I didn't turn you into Angelfire, and I'm sorry if that was done by the rights holder. All I did was inform the Hollandse Hoogte guy you posted his photos. I figured he would just email you with a warning, like he did easternbird. Don't get me wrong, copyright violation still ticks me off, but in the future I will remind people of it politely instead of flying off the handle like I've just done. I was just frustrated because I've fought this battle to no avail so many times in the past. I'm paranoid because I've got photography of my own online, that I can't afford to register the copyright of, and I know I wouldn't have the money to fight any disputes in court if they were to arise. After going through a whole lot of b.s. the past couple of years, my photography is one of very few things left in my life I have any passion for, so it's very important to me. That's why I overreacted so badly. Please don't blame Easternbird for my flipping out, it was my fault and I apologize. Easternbird seems like a really nice person and I regret introducing myself to him/her in this light.

But, I did find some of the comments to be a lot harsher than they needed to be as well, so I want to set a few things straight:
* I'm not a stalker. I was already a member of this community and the bragging nature of the posts in question set me off. Way more than it should have, apparently.
* I'm not a lawyer. I don't know everything. But I have spent a great deal of time studying copyright law, because of my own paranoia as an artist with work online. I've found I'm better informed on this issue than a lot of people. I don't like to see people get in trouble. If you didn't get harassed by me, you might have got harassed by someone more psychotic or someone with the power to take you to court.
* I don't draw crappy anime :/ I'm a photographer. And I know I'm a good one. This wasn't sprung by an inferiority complex.
* The Hollandse Hoogte photographs are not free-floating graphics on the internet. They are a professional photographic agency that you must pay in order to access the photos. They seriously do have the potential to get you in some legal trouble, so even if you were offended by my behavior, please keep this in mind.
* Kwanboa, I think we have a little problem with assumption and stereotyping. I'm not a child. I've been on the internet since the early '90's and I've known how to type since the early '80's. I hadn't replied to anyone's comments yet because the livejournal validation email hadn't come through my mailserver yet and you can't post comments until you've validated your journal.
* I just created this account earlier today and I haven't uploaded a single icon for it yet. I did not "suddenly become an icon-free user".

Anyway... I now return you to your regularly scheduled program.

BTW, my account's been validated now so I can reply to your comments and I'll explain myself further if you've got questions or anything.


Edit the Ninety-Billionth:She's heeeere.



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[info]flax
2004-04-13 06:14 am UTC (link)
The one comment I'd like to make to this, putting on my LiveJournal Abuse Team Member Hat Who Handles These Sorts of Complaints Constantly for a moment, is that only the copyright holder him or herself (or their legally designated representative) may file a claim of copyright infringement against an individual in violation.


And there dies that little wank.

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[info]serai
2004-04-13 12:29 pm UTC (link)
Only as far as LJ goes, it seems. The troll can still go around making people's lives miserable by reporting them to various agencies.

Please. As if every damn fan on the internet doesn't go to those agencies and snag pics to post. Sounds to me like someone who has nothing better to do with her time than troll the net, tsking about how all these fans have nothing better to do with their time than post pics. That and a raging case of jealousy that no one's posting her "artwork".

Sour grapes, much?

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*sporfle* Didja see this gem? - [info]orphanannie, 2004-04-14 11:16 am UTC
Re: *sporfle* Didja see this gem? - [info]serai, 2004-04-14 12:44 pm UTC
Re: *sporfle* Didja see this gem? - [info]flax, 2004-04-15 12:16 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-04-13 06:27 am UTC (link)
I'm truly glad to see the nazis have found a productive outlet for their anger and inferiority complex.

Does Godwin's Law still kick in when the sockpuppet's user name is [info]copyright_nazi?

Oyster

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[info]tekenduis
2004-04-13 06:31 am UTC (link)
Oh, look! It's an asshat on a power trip.

*marks off LJ bingo card*


Bwahah! My favourite response out of the whole batch (and there were some CHOICE responses there).

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[info]conchoidal
2004-04-13 01:50 pm UTC (link)
I have to agree, that was a pretty sweet response lol

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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-04-13 10:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]conchoidal, 2004-04-14 06:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-04-14 04:25 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-04-13 06:31 am UTC (link)
I hate people.

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[info]elijahdprophet
2004-04-13 06:35 am UTC (link)
I like that when it was pointed out the C_Z's icon was a copyrighted image they suddenly became an icon-free user. classy.

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[info]theartema
2004-04-13 07:16 am UTC (link)
eeee icon lurve!

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[info]delfeus
2004-04-13 04:38 pm UTC (link)
Icon!

And in topic - hypocrite, much? :D

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[info]musette
2004-04-13 07:44 am UTC (link)
*twitch* Oh man, I'm heart broken, I was all ready to post this before I saw it was already up. But I have to say, BITCH PLEASE. copyright_nazi, fandom_scruples, any and all variants of these anonymous crusaders for all that is right and good and shiney and sparkly and dew drop fresh in the world, NO ONE CARES. You are not the world's mother, you are not Captain Planet, JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP.

*pant* I'll be cleaning up my splooge now.

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[info]orphanannie
2004-04-13 11:43 am UTC (link)
Check out his (her?) whiny, apologetic "pity me but ph3@r me" post.

Reminds me of a certain person we know whose name starts with K. Or M. ;-)

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Re: - [info]musette, 2004-04-13 08:28 pm UTC

[info]flax
2004-04-13 03:26 pm UTC (link)
Gooooo Nazi?

(I can say that, i'm jewish.)

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Re: - [info]musette, 2004-04-13 08:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]flax, 2004-04-13 10:13 pm UTC
Re: - [info]musette, 2004-04-13 10:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]flax, 2004-04-13 11:47 pm UTC
Re: - [info]musette, 2004-04-14 01:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]flax, 2004-04-15 12:19 am UTC
Re: - [info]musette, 2004-04-15 08:53 am UTC
(no subject) - angkgriffen, 2004-04-14 12:01 am UTC
Re: - [info]musette, 2004-04-14 01:53 am UTC

[info]bishounenhuntrs
2004-04-16 04:36 pm UTC (link)
*hugs you for saying what he was thinking*

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Re: - [info]musette, 2004-04-16 10:37 pm UTC
Bwah!
(Anonymous)
2004-04-13 08:32 am UTC (link)
I LOVE IT! :-D Except for one thing...there was no "shadyness" involved. Honest! Unless Googling can somehow be considered shady. ;-)

EasternBird (http://www.livejournal.com/user/easternbird/)

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Re: Bwah!
[info]morganya
2004-04-13 08:48 am UTC (link)
I owe you my eternal gratitude for posting yummy Ted pictures. Mmm, Ted.

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Re: Bwah! - (Anonymous), 2004-04-13 08:55 am UTC
Re: Bwah! - [info]morganya, 2004-04-13 09:10 am UTC
OH! IT GETS BETTER!
[info]orphanannie
2004-04-13 11:36 am UTC (link)
http://www.livejournal.com/community/queereye/465823.html

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Re: OH! IT GETS BETTER!
[info]morganya
2004-04-13 11:49 am UTC (link)
She forgot to mention that her shutter-clicking finger got chewed off by a pack of rabid dogs, and she was once traumatized by a Bitch, please icon and she needs the photo money to pay for her therapy bills. Why are people so cruel?

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Re: OH! IT GETS BETTER! - [info]smo, 2004-04-13 10:40 pm UTC
Re: OH! IT GETS BETTER! - [info]cleolinda, 2004-04-14 12:59 am UTC
Re: OH! IT GETS BETTER! - [info]smo, 2004-04-14 04:33 pm UTC
Re: OH! IT GETS BETTER! - [info]crickets, 2004-04-15 06:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-04-15 08:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bishounenhuntrs, 2004-04-16 04:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-04-16 09:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bishounenhuntrs, 2004-04-19 01:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]crickets, 2004-04-16 09:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-04-16 09:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]crickets, 2004-04-16 10:53 pm UTC
Now I'm verklempt! - [info]smo, 2004-04-18 08:15 pm UTC
Re: OH! IT GETS BETTER! - [info]bishounenhuntrs, 2004-04-16 04:44 pm UTC
Re: OH! IT GETS BETTER! - [info]smo, 2004-04-16 09:51 pm UTC
Re: OH! IT GETS BETTER! - [info]bishounenhuntrs, 2004-04-19 01:44 am UTC
Re: OH! IT GETS BETTER! - [info]smo, 2004-04-19 04:59 pm UTC
Re: OH! IT GETS BETTER! - [info]bishounenhuntrs, 2004-04-26 12:57 pm UTC
Re: OH! IT GETS BETTER! - [info]smo, 2004-04-26 04:14 pm UTC
Re: OH! IT GETS BETTER! - [info]bishounenhuntrs, 2004-04-26 10:10 pm UTC
Re: OH! IT GETS BETTER! - [info]smo, 2004-04-27 06:21 pm UTC
Re: OH! IT GETS BETTER! - [info]bishounenhuntrs, 2004-04-29 12:25 pm UTC
Re: OH! IT GETS BETTER!
[info]serai
2004-04-13 12:36 pm UTC (link)
Christ in a sidecar. She's actually whining about having her photography online without a copyright? Bitch, then why the FUCK is it online? You're so freaking worried about it being stolen, but you won't scrape the money together to protect it? Then you deserve to have your oh-so-sacred images stolen. Anybody who's that stupid (or that two-faced, take your pic) deserves whatever they get.

Can anyone here explain to me how two humans mating can produce a chimpanzee? Wait, scratch that - calling this dipshit a chimpanzee is an insult to chimpanzees.

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Re: OH! IT GETS BETTER! - [info]crickets, 2004-04-13 12:43 pm UTC
LOLOLOL!! - [info]serai, 2004-04-13 12:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]delfeus, 2004-04-13 04:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]serai, 2004-04-13 08:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - meshou, 2004-04-13 10:54 pm UTC
She's playing the migraine card. - [info]orphanannie, 2004-04-14 11:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]yankthewank, 2004-04-16 10:08 am UTC
(no subject) - meshou, 2004-04-16 11:30 am UTC
Re: OH! IT GETS BETTER!
(Anonymous)
2004-04-13 09:33 pm UTC (link)
Rats, it looks like I missed the grand finale! Why does all the good stuff happen at 5 in the morning? :-( Would someone be willing to give me a recap of what was in this post?

EasternBird (http://www.livejournal.com/users/easternbird/)

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Re: OH! IT GETS BETTER! - [info]orphanannie, 2004-04-13 09:37 pm UTC
Re: OH! IT GETS BETTER! - (Anonymous), 2004-04-14 10:43 pm UTC

[info]conchoidal
2004-04-13 01:44 pm UTC (link)
I loved this comment
Stop arguing or I'll turn this LJ community right around...

tee!

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[info]smo
2004-04-13 10:41 pm UTC (link)
I'm still tittering over the "LJ bingo" comment.

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(Anonymous)
2004-04-13 02:42 pm UTC (link)

Anonymous wank tip-off:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/non_useful

Featuring the most gratuituous use of the word fuck ever and more than 400 coments of pure wankage including gems such as "I REALLY DON@T FUCKING CARE IF I@M HER FREIND OR NOT!!!!! I freinde everyone on her FLIST TO TELL you what shes like BEACUASES I FOUND OUT BY HER ONLY FREINDIG WHO SHE THINKS IS GOING TO MAKE HER LOOK GOOD OK?!!?!?! People KEEP ON SAYING I CARE IF she defreinded me, BUT I FUCKING DON@T!!!!! " and "I HAVE FREINDS, and infat, I've been HANGING OUT WITH THEM FOR THREE HOURS NOW TELLING THEM ABOUT HOW STUPID ALL OF YO UARE!!! "

Have fun now.

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[info]croik
2004-04-13 03:28 pm UTC (link)
Link is broken.... ^^;;

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-04-13 03:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-04-13 03:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]flax, 2004-04-13 06:39 pm UTC
Re: - [info]croik, 2004-04-13 06:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-04-14 12:33 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-04-13 08:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-04-13 10:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-04-14 12:26 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-04-14 03:12 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-04-14 12:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pfeffermuse, 2004-04-14 05:19 am UTC
Re: - [info]croik, 2004-04-14 05:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pfeffermuse, 2004-04-14 06:23 am UTC
Re: - [info]croik, 2004-04-14 07:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pfeffermuse, 2004-04-14 05:58 am UTC
apologies for the double post...not sure how it happened. (N/T) - [info]pfeffermuse, 2004-04-14 06:00 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-04-14 12:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]whythehecknot, 2004-04-16 10:12 am UTC

[info]nicolae
2004-04-15 02:02 am UTC (link)
I was already a member of this community and the bragging nature of the posts in question set me off. and I just created this account earlier today.

WTF?

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(Anonymous)
2004-04-15 01:50 pm UTC (link)
alright kids. you've had your fun. I'm deleting copyright_nazi soon. I expect this entry to be deleted as well or I'll take the appropriate measures with your webhost to make sure it is. thanks.

-copyright_nazi

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(no subject) - [info]morganya, 2004-04-15 06:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]flax, 2004-04-16 07:01 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-04-16 10:20 am UTC

 
   
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