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Naohl ([info]thespacecat) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-04-19 09:31:00
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Current mood:On Top of the World
Current music:"A Policeman's Lot is Not a Happy One", Gilbert & Sullivan

White-wolf, how thy verdant shores hath produced much wankery
I don't know how many people know anything about Exalted, White-Wolf's second best selling RPG. Nor do I care. It amuses me, and that's all that really counts. For a brief backstory of Exalted, you can go here http://www.white-wolf.com/exalted/

So, anyhow... check this out. http://exalted.rpgcompendium.com/section.php?sec=5&article=37&var=8&location=thread&page=0&subpage=0&thread=7952


The thread essentially begins and ends with wankery. For those who don't know anything about Exalted, the topic rapidly shifts from the actual game to the definition of the word "manifest", to a discussion of the English language in general, including whether the word "first" or "firstly" is more appropriate in a given situation.

Very entertaining. Exalted Compendium in general is a very good spot for wanks, I've found (mostly why I go there), due to the loose moderation. Reminds me of Ex Libris Nocturnis in the good old days, before every curse word got bleeped and entire threads were shut down for being "unpleasant".


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[info]skarrow
2004-04-19 05:01 pm UTC (link)
Aah, Exalted. I've just started playing in a campaign, but my DM has a sense of humor, so we seem to have escaped the WWW (white wolf wank).

These people, though.

Best quote, on the tenth page:

"I can't believe I actually read this whole thread." Goes on to say: I can't believe all these stupid, long posts about this charm! Here, let me post at length why I am right!

<3 Irony.

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[info]eiviiaru
2004-04-19 05:57 pm UTC (link)
Oh, for cute! It's a Sidereal semantics wank!

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[info]palabradot
2004-04-19 08:30 pm UTC (link)
Mmm. Exalted Compendium. I tread there with great care, and I absolutely love the game.

Ah, I remember the wars over Martial Arts vs. Melee, and oh, the Golden Essence Block errata wars...

Mrf. I should be planning my campaign right now.

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[info]eiviiaru
2004-04-19 09:07 pm UTC (link)
Martial Arts vs. Melee? What's the argument, besides that at this point in game development MA has gotten very neat but also honestly a little silly?

(I still sort of want to attempt a Sidereal build focusing on Melee and/or Brawl. It'll never work, but...)

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[info]palabradot
2004-04-19 10:54 pm UTC (link)
Not quite sure. Never quite understood all the hullaboo myself. I *think* it can be shaved down to simply 'martial arts is twinky, and it's making melee look like the red headed stepchild of the Exalted combat world.'

Maybe, but last I checked, Brawl still gets the short end of the stick, and I'll keep my money on the Melee user, kthx.

Woo. it especially started up after the Sidereal book came out, and there was some minor wank around the net with the advent of the Players Guide saying that Lunars could not learn Sidereal styles, even though they were Celestials.

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[info]eiviiaru
2004-04-19 11:40 pm UTC (link)
Bah. See, I could see an argument for their being social strictures against Lunars learning Sidereal styles -- given as virtually no Sidereals care enough about Lunars to actually teach them the martial arts, I'd make it more "they have the capability to learn the styles, but they're unlikely to ever be in a situation of being able to learn." I'm not sure if this is how the Player's Guide put it, but that's how I'd house-rule it. (If/when I GM next, I'll be generally inclined to ignore a lot of Player's Guide material -- *cough**cough*exaltedbestialityrules*cough*)

I think Martial Arts has some power issues, but nonetheless, I'd take a dedicated Solar Melee-er against anything short of a high-Essence Sidereal with one of the advanced forms. I also find Solar Brawl not bad, and of course Lunars are quite savage at unarmed. (Now, playing a Lunar who's not an abject combat wombat, that's the rub... sigh.)

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random exalted player
(Anonymous)
2004-04-20 07:11 pm UTC (link)
Anything involving MA/Brawl/Melee/using your martial arts to climb walls gets wanky real fast. I think the developers are going crazy with it and after the PG yet again screwing the Lunars I just took my house ruling knife to martial arts. Then I found out that about a third of the exalted wiki came up with the same ideas before I did. Oh yeah, I wonder if there will be wank about Terrestrial Half-Caste on EC soon, (Hey WW nice mangling of themes and preexisting material there. If DB's of essence 4 popped out speshul kids you think the Realm would have an offical policy)

It doesn't help that the maintainers of exalted compendium seem to have disappeared (another source of regular wank) and several of the regular posters are absolute assholes to anyone they feel isn't up to their intellectual standards (creating again more wank). That site is going to hell in a bucket of splooge really damn fast. If people weren't dropping off of the site rapidly I think it would be a source of regular Exalted wank. The current threads about naked Ahn-Aru and Roseblack fanboys are somewhat wanky on their own.

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[info]palabradot
2004-04-20 08:11 pm UTC (link)
Hrm. I need to browse the wiki to see what exactly they houseruled. I live for houseruling in this game.

*grumbles about a lack of errata for Mantis Style*

And don't even get me started on the whole Terrestrial H-C thing.

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[info]eiviiaru
2004-04-20 09:53 pm UTC (link)
I think PG wank is honestly inevitable, especially about the Half-Caste. (The Half-Caste honestly do not need to exist at all; the Dragon-Touched are especially egregious, but the entire thing is tone-breaking. "Remember what we said a dozen times about the power of Celestial Exaltation not being heritable? Well...")

But there's a lot of material in the PG that's wanky or strange or generally inapplicable enough that I wouldn't expect anything less than a spoogestorm. Jesus.

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[info]palabradot
2004-04-21 12:08 am UTC (link)
Surprisingly enough, there's been very little wank over it. I post a lot on RPGnet and on the WW boards.

The primary source of wank? No higher level Solar charms (I was sort of disappointed myself, but they said they ran out of space).

There's been more wank about the cover of the upcoming book of sorcery than about the PG.

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Re: random exalted player
[info]eiviiaru
2004-04-21 12:47 am UTC (link)
It is a sad, sad day when the Half-Caste are unworthy of some sort of argument, unless by some unprecedented miracle the entire fandom dismissed them spontaneously.

-- ooh, Sorcery book? An expansion/reissue of Book of Three Circles, or something entirely different?

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Re: random exalted player
[info]palabradot
2004-04-21 03:10 am UTC (link)
It's called Savant and Sorcerer:

Retail sheet *here*
http://www.white-wolf.com/retail/RetailDownloads/2004PDFs/7July04PDF/ExaltedSavantandSorcerer.pdf

And, uhm, I think you can see quite plainly in the picture the cause for the Great Camel Toe Wank of 2004.

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more from the same random exalted player
(Anonymous)
2004-04-21 04:18 am UTC (link)
Picture is what I've come to expect from the Pale Puppy, but getting people to rebuy Book of the Three Circles is so not cool. Naked chicks sell books and despite White Wolf's claim to subtlty and a more mature audience they pander to that as much as any one else.

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Re: more from the same random exalted player
[info]eiviiaru
2004-04-21 07:10 am UTC (link)
See, I think repackaging Bo3C is just sort of insulting -- why not reprint it, at least? Or make Bo3C 2 if they have new spell content? Sigh. The sad thing is that I'll probably buy it anyway, never having gotten a copy of Bo3C.

(Incidentally, would you like a code?)

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Re: more from the same random exalted player
(Anonymous)
2004-04-21 03:47 pm UTC (link)
I wouldn't mind a code. :-) I read fandom_wank but have never commented before. Its just that Exalted is my current RPG obsession and I can't stop talking about it when given a chance. Are you by chance on EC or the Exaled WIki or somewhere else where we chatter about Exalted?

I have a theory though on Savant and Sorcerer, if you read through some errata somewhere it turns out that was what the original working title for Bo3C and that not everyone got the message so you see S&S referred to in certain supplements when the mean Bo3C. Maybe they decided to hide their tracks by publishing an actual Savant and Sorcerer. I can see stranger things.

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Re: more from the same random exalted player
[info]eiviiaru
2004-04-23 12:02 am UTC (link)
I'm not on EC or any such yet, but I probably should be; I'm really beginning to develop enough of an obsession to make it worth it.

And... wow. I can almost entirely buy the S&S story. It's very... White-Wolf-sounding.

(drop a line to 06arv at williams dot edu and I'll get the code winging your way.)

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yet more from the random exalted player
(Anonymous)
2004-04-21 04:23 am UTC (link)
Oddly enough I don't find celestial half-caste as genera breaking. Probably because there have been pretty constant references in the fiction to even non-beastmen Lunar descendents having special powers and beastmen are pretty much half-caste types. Also there was the useless table in Abyssals for death touched God-Blooded children of Abyssals.

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Re: yet more from the random exalted player
[info]eiviiaru
2004-04-21 07:32 am UTC (link)
Well, YMMV; if you like Celestial Half-Castes, by all means use them. I can buy it for Lunars, given the fairly visceral nature of Lunar Exaltation and the previous existence of beastmen, and I'm undecided on Abyssals, but I think it's mildly silly for everyone else.

Overall, I guess my primary complaint to all the new PB halfbreeds is that it's an example of the ever-increasing gingerbreading of the game. I liked how the universe started out fairly simple, and the bigsplats expanded things in an orderly and logical way, but IMHO newer material is getting weirder and more poorly integrated -- more types of halfbreeds? Dragon Kings? I don't want the Exalted setting to go the way of WoD, so at times I can be a bit reactionary, I suppose.

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Re: random exalted player
[info]thespacecat
2004-04-21 04:02 am UTC (link)
While there are a lot of new Martial Arts charms that don't really have anything to do with Martial Arts, I don't think many of them are by any means overpowered. In our group, Martial Arts is considered the fun by impractical alternative to Melee, which is less varied but all around more efficent.


Now Righteous Devil Style.... there's a Martial Arts tree that kicks all known ass.

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same random exalted player posting again
(Anonymous)
2004-04-21 04:12 am UTC (link)
I like martial arts, I just disagree with the way they are being presented. I tend to see martial arts as magical methods of fighting that are very focused and limited, within what they do they are very good but not good outside of that. To open up a can of flame war I'm in the camp that feels martial arts and brawl should be rolled together for one unarmed skill. Then when you use your paired short daiklaves with Fire Dragon Style you use melee. *shrug* Its my houserule and I will play with martial arts under a GM who house rules differently. I just think my change fits the flavor of my interperation of the world better.

And you're right, Righteous Devil Style rocks, especially the form charm, so useless so often but so cool when you can use it. I also think that it can summon tumbleweeds in any enviornent.

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Re: random exalted player
[info]eiviiaru
2004-04-21 07:14 am UTC (link)
See, my general thought on MA is that it should be the best fighting alternative for Sidereals, an entirely viable possibility for Dragon-Blooded, and amusing for Solars and Lunars but probably lacking in raw power. (I'd probably make it a bit better for Lunars than Solars, just because the Lunar combat niche appears to be unarmed and WW appears to be earnestly nondifferentiating Lunar MA and Lunar Brawl.)

And yes, Righteous Devil Style rocks the party. Our two-year campaign will be picking up a high-Essence Righteous-Devil-user Night PC next year, and... well, he's a scarily good recreation of Vash the Stampede. Terrifying.

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(Anonymous)
2004-04-28 06:40 am UTC (link)
This so fits the major Exalted group I know. [smirk]

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