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	serpentis 2003-03-19 02:48 am UTC (link)
	*grins* I was wondering if someone was going to post that one. Indeed, I would have done it myself if I wasn't so goddamned lazy. I posted too, but I freely admit to being a squicky nasty low-level plebe who whores herself for incestfic and sick puppy things. Who wants to be highbrow when you can enjoy things that make other people vomit, huh? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	lulinda 2003-03-19 03:42 am UTC (link)
	I dithered about posting this but in the end, I couldn't resist. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	Re: dammit. backfromspace 2003-03-19 03:07 am UTC (link)
	I giggle. Why? Because it's spelled plebeian. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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Re: dammit. - backfromspace, 2003-03-19 03:19 am UTC

Re: dammit. - sagralisse, 2003-03-19 04:42 pm UTC

	telesilla 2003-03-19 03:04 am UTC (link)
	I read about a page and a half and then had to step back. Day-um. they take it all so seriously over there. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	lulinda 2003-03-19 03:43 am UTC (link)
	Too seriously! And then I want to get serious! *wail* (Reply to this)(Parent)

	It's the Gentlemanly thing to do! sagralisse 2003-03-19 03:06 am UTC (link)
	The Gentlemen posts: Plebes are thus perpetual newbies, who refuse to grow up. As such, they are mocked and reviled by all upstanding citizens.. Okay... if you point and laugh at insufferable bitches, then you're a shit slinging cunt. If, on the other hand, you mock and revile young Harry Potter fans, you are an upstanding citizen. Fandom is fucking funny. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	Re: It's the Gentlemanly thing to do! kimera 2003-03-19 03:15 am UTC (link)
	Sure, an "upstanding citizen" in a community that supports plagiarism. You've gotta put it all in *perspective*, remember? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

Re: It's the Gentlemanly thing to do! - (Anonymous), 2003-03-19 06:10 am UTC

Re: It's the Gentlemanly thing to do! - (Anonymous), 2003-03-19 08:04 am UTC

Re: It's the Gentlemanly thing to do! - kimera, 2003-03-19 09:39 am UTC

Re: It's the Gentlemanly thing to do! - dawnjosephine, 2003-03-19 02:47 pm UTC

Re: It's the Gentlemanly thing to do! - (Anonymous), 2003-03-20 01:04 am UTC

	wizzard 2003-03-19 03:23 am UTC (link)
	Maybe it's because I'm descended from peasants, but the posters who act like they are fucking English lords grate on my nerves. It seems to me they are using words like common without a trace of humor. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	phosfate 2003-03-19 05:24 pm UTC (link)
	I'm descended from fucking English lords, and it annoys the shit out of me, too. (Reply to this)(Parent)

kyuuketsukirui 2003-03-19 03:23 am UTC (link)

Those who cling to a mainstream ship, without considering the alternatives are plebes, as they too are displaying a woeful lack of personal insight. This is beautiful. It doesn?t matter what you read or what you talk/write about, as long as you do so intelligently and critically. She has apparently been taking lessons from MsA on how to contradict yourself in three easy steps or something like that. So...let me get this straight. It doesn't matter what you read or write about as long as you do so intelligently and critically, unless it's a mainstream pairing and then YOU SUCK ASS, you STUPID FUCKIN' PLEBE!!!!!!! Yes? No? Grace (Reply to this)(Thread)

	lulinda 2003-03-19 03:48 am UTC (link)
	Of course! Who needs something like Harry/Draco when you can explore (or BS it, since there is basically no canon) the deep and meaningful relationship between The unnamed Muggle Studies professor and Mugundus Fletcher! Mainstream! Feh! Ignoring the fact that HP is about as mainstream as one can get..... (Reply to this)(Parent)

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	pradaloz 2003-03-19 03:48 am UTC (link)
	The fandom has basically established a standard of intelligence and decorum. AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!! *wipes away a tear* It's beautiful, simply too beautiful. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	Plebey McPlebe! snuh 2003-03-19 03:54 am UTC (link)
	In the process of them trying to define it, the word has lost all meaning to me. Funny how that works. (Reply to this)

	sorchar 2003-03-19 04:20 am UTC (link)
	Amusingly enough, we've been accused by Ennia of "splashing antiplebe all over." Who took my bucket of antiplebe, dammit? I wanted to water my garden with it - maybe it'd keep the weeds down. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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mirabellawotr 2003-03-19 04:23 am UTC (link)

Heehee! Oh, the wankery! As a couple of people pointed out on the thread, the contradiction inherent in a bunch of people who write fanfic based on a children's book that inarguably appeals to the Great Unwashed sitting around arguing about who's a "plebe" and who's a "patrician" is an absolutely lovely one. If I ever join the HP fandom I'll be sure to write Ron/Norbert or something, so I don't engage in any of those dreadful common pairings that make one so dreadfully plebian. *hides the "Eewwwwwww! You write Merry/Pippin?" banner behind her back* (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	snacky 2003-03-19 05:08 am UTC (link)
	That was absolutely fantastic. Bilbo Baggins and the Anti-Plebe brigade are fucking precious. I'm wiping away tears of laughter. I haven't seen anything so wanktastic since the height of the shipper/noromo wars in XF. Mwaahh! Thanks, Lulinda! (Reply to this)(Thread)

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*Reads FAP thread* sajasma 2003-03-19 07:27 am UTC (link)

*Sits back* *Blinks* Woah there, Bilbo Baggins, let's not get our little hobbit-britches in a bunch. I would suggest, Mister Sauer, that you get the f-ck over yourself. Those who use the term 'plebe' are not necessarily plebes--although there have been some instances where a plebe has acted blatantly hypocritical and thrown around that insult as if they had some license to--and it's ludicrous that you should insinuate such. Er...right. Oh, hypocrisy, you are so fun. So, tell me, who has a license to say 'plebe'? (Reply to this)(Thread)

Re: *Reads FAP thread* - lulinda, 2003-03-19 07:48 am UTC

Re: *Reads FAP thread* - sajasma, 2003-03-19 07:51 am UTC

Re: *Reads FAP thread* - lulinda, 2003-03-19 08:14 am UTC

Re: *Reads FAP thread* - sajasma, 2003-03-19 08:27 am UTC

Re: *Reads FAP thread* - lulinda, 2003-03-19 08:29 am UTC

	parlance 2003-03-19 07:40 am UTC (link)
	We need to bring "plebe" into popslash. Now *there's* the proper home for patricians. (Reply to this)

(Anonymous) 2003-03-19 07:58 am UTC (link)

Sometimes I wonder what my fandom is smoking. Honestly. Fandom and genuine writing don't mix. You can actually be interested in writing, you can actually be interested in fandom, you can be interested in both, even. But when people think that fandom politics has anything to do with the excellence of the ficwriters in question... this is not a meritocracy, people. This is a shitflingocracy. Whoever gets the least shit on them is the least infamous and therefore the least well-known. OTOH, I have to say that at least it didn't degenerate into an entire flame war. Right? Right? (Reply to this)(Thread)

(no subject) - sagralisse, 2003-03-19 03:27 pm UTC

(no subject) - ivyblossom, 2003-03-19 06:41 pm UTC

	::happy sigh:: farcicalsquid 2003-03-19 08:42 am UTC (link)
	Oh yeah, so *good*. This is the stuff, the smack, the shinola. The true wank of greatness. They are *all* wanking. All of them. It's beautiful. It's like having a camera on a busload of horny sparkly boys. (Reply to this)

	ev_vy 2003-03-19 06:00 pm UTC (link)
	There was one, and I repeat, one reasonable post in this thread. The last one. (Reply to this)

	(Anonymous) 2003-03-20 12:54 am UTC (link)
	So, from that enlightening thread wanked above, we can conclude that upstanding non-plebeian citizens of fandom are insufferable bitches whose parts tingled by Lucius/Dobby intellifics. ... *plebes away happily* (Reply to this)

ivyblossom 2003-03-20 02:36 am UTC (link)

http://veela-inc.net/glossary.html#p I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone who was close to the original source of the term actually speak up...unless I missed it. It was Aspen who started it. Though yes, plebe is an actual word. I'd link to Aspen's lj but I don't think I'm allowed to. But you may know her as the writer of some of the greatest fics in the HP fandom, like Confection Carnage and Daisychain!Draco. She came up with the term specifically referring to really crappy fics on ff.net, I'm pretty sure. The ones where clearly the author can't work out how to spell "Harry" and "Draco". When the term came into use among that group of people (Ye Olde Veela crowd), it was de rigeur to write faux plebe fics under a new name, just to see if the real plebes would give a purposely bad fic more feedback than the real fics got. They did. There was a stellar example of a plebe fic written for ff.net by a *ahem* dear friend of mine that was hailed the worst fic of all time by all and sundry, but it still got more reviews than anything else she'd ever written. I'd love to point it out to you, but ff.net is being a bugger at the moment, and it was probably deleted in the great smut purge of a few months back. Suffice it to say that the term 'kthx' was used after a blow job, which I think stands to this day as a kind of benchmark in the HP fandom. A very, very low benchmark. I don't remember if Aspen ever meant the word 'plebe' to be used in the contexts of message boards or livejournal or anything else; as I recall it was mostly about ff.net and the netspeak and a/ns that slip into the story (a/n: ooooooo arnt they keeeeuuuuuuute?). It was never about newbies, or necessarily young people, or anything like it. It was about really, really shitty fics. But of course these definitions change with time. I just thought someone should point all this out, since they're reaching into dictionaries, which is not exactly where the fandom usage of the term derived from. w00t! Ivy (Reply to this)(Thread)

(no subject) - sorchar, 2003-03-20 09:07 am UTC

	The moral? afrai 2003-03-20 09:47 am UTC (link)
	Always, always cite your sources. You can't go into a flamewar on a Harry Potter fanfic messageboard without a dictionary! God, so wanky. (Reply to this)