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Dan Fogelberg's ([info]llama_treats) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-05-12 14:24:00


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Current mood:irritated
Entry tags:fandom: harry potter, think of the fictional children, your kink is not okay

Let's all do the chan chan
Since our friend Harry Potter has been missing from Fandom Wank for a while, here we go:

idiotparade decides to rant about chan (underage sex) in [HP] fanfiction. From what I can tell of the long, convoluted ramble, she[?] only likes chan that she writes, and anyone else who writes it fails to include the consequences of said chan in their work. Not to mention she seems to have some difficulty in distinguishing "fantasy" from "reality".

A snippet:
Chan needs to deal with that lack of comprehension or understanding of what a child is doing. A lack of basic understanding about sex. Chan is about innocence and purity, in a way, but more it's about gullibility and developing sexuality. Or, it should be (Ed: You know, because creativity is bad. [/snide remark])[...]I can't think of a single chan fic off the top of my head that deals with the ramifications afterward, whether it's consensual or otherwise.

Some responses:
from spare_change: I don't think chan should be an "easy" subject, to read or to write, but I also don't think anybody should lecture me or you or anyone else about writing it.

musesfool: And fantasies are not *stories* and oughtn't be passed off as such. That's a function of bad writing.
Ed: I'm a tad confused. Aren't the majority of nonfiction stories "fantasies" in one way or another?

bugland (with my personal favorite):
OK, so you write chan. and your chan deals with the ramifications responsibly etc. but nobody else's does. er.'kay...


For me, the wankiness springs from the fact that the OP is telling the world what they can write.

Of course, some people agree with the OP, but what fun would those comments be? Not to mention that the OP's "co-writer" appears to be answering most of the replies...I guess the OP went on vacation after posting or something.

Is there a reason I'm reminded of fandom scruples?

New: our new friend, anti-fandomwank, has reported us to the OP! Please don your splooge suits immediately.



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head meet desk
[info]iczer6
2004-05-12 09:53 pm UTC (link)
The problem is that no one is born with the understanding of sex and sexuality. Would that we were. It'd solve so many problems.

So basically people are born with no sexual urges, and that the desire for sex doesn't appear till they read fanfic or something like that?

Children masturbate when they're young. That's because children don't understand the implications of sex and masturbation.

I agree that kids won't understand the implacations of a sexual relationship, but what does masturbation have to do with it?

Ya know for someone so against wanking she sure does a lot of it.

[And no Lj-cutting, I pity her friends list.]



Icz


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Re: head meet desk
[info]llama_treats
2004-05-12 10:43 pm UTC (link)
Personally, I think children masturbate because it feels damn good.

Go fig.

Not to mention that I, as an adult, am always thinking about implications when I masturbate, not about unclothed, sweaty, man-slaves who do my evil bidding...

Sorry. TMI.

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Re: head meet desk
ataniell93
2004-05-12 11:51 pm UTC (link)
Am I the only one who was wondering what possible implications masturbation could have?

Or consequences?

Masturbation has only two consequences: orgasm or frustration. And it usually only has the second consequence if you're one of those people who reacts badly to SSRI's.

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TMI moment - [info]iczer6, 2004-05-12 11:54 pm UTC
Re: TMI moment - [info]lovelypoet, 2004-05-13 12:00 am UTC
Re: TMI moment - ataniell93, 2004-05-13 07:31 am UTC
Re: TMI moment - [info]lovelypoet, 2004-05-13 07:34 am UTC
Re: TMI moment - ataniell93, 2004-05-13 07:47 am UTC
Re: TMI moment - [info]smo, 2004-05-13 09:41 pm UTC
Re: head meet desk - [info]flax, 2004-05-12 11:59 pm UTC
Re: head meet desk - [info]coclytus, 2004-05-13 02:14 am UTC
Re: head meet desk - [info]porphyria, 2004-05-13 02:42 pm UTC
Re: head meet desk - (Anonymous), 2004-05-13 12:34 am UTC
Re: head meet desk - [info]calanthe_b, 2004-05-13 05:20 am UTC
Re: head meet desk - ataniell93, 2004-05-13 07:37 am UTC
Re: head meet desk - (Anonymous), 2004-05-13 04:27 pm UTC
Re: head meet desk - [info]calanthe_b, 2004-05-14 03:21 am UTC

[info]oysteria
2004-05-12 10:20 pm UTC (link)
OMGFLIBBLE!!!! ICON LOVE!

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(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-12 10:45 pm UTC
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[info]nicolae
2004-05-12 10:48 pm UTC (link)
Oops, I wanked.

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(no subject) - [info]flax, 2004-05-12 11:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nicolae, 2004-05-12 11:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - ataniell93, 2004-05-12 11:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-12 11:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kindest_demon, 2004-05-13 12:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]seventy_three, 2004-05-13 03:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kindest_demon, 2004-05-13 04:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]gmth, 2004-05-13 01:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sistermagpie, 2004-05-13 02:53 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-05-12 10:53 pm UTC (link)
I came across that yesterday. It didn't make any sense to me then. I read over it again just now. Still boggles the mind.

I can't figure out what their points are!

Their "argument" is unfocused and illogical. There's just random shit thrown in...

As globalization marches on, increasingly the world around us -- and especially the media, such as books or movies or video games -- is becoming sexualized.

HUH?

Am I the only one that doesn't understand the connections being made (globalization - sexualization - fanfic - chan)?

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(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-12 11:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-12 11:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nevadafighter, 2004-05-13 06:32 am UTC

[info]lizzypaul
2004-05-12 10:57 pm UTC (link)
Darn. I really liked her stories. Now I'll never be able to read them again without an impending sense of wank.

The arrogance astounds me.

Eppy

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[info]ashenmote
2004-05-12 11:07 pm UTC (link)
Harry Who?



Just joking!
Welcome back, Harry!!!!!
huggles

Now, isn't it rare that you can say "safe and sane" as if it is a bad thing?

I think the very notion of writing "realistic" chanslash to educate your pedophilia-endangered readers is hilarious. If you suspect you have so-inclined readers, making your chan stories available to them maybe isn't a good idea. Just saying.

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(no subject) - [info]nicolae, 2004-05-12 11:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ashenmote, 2004-05-12 11:35 pm UTC

[info]flax
2004-05-12 11:17 pm UTC (link)
*shudder*

Now, I consider myself a fairly jaded man. I have knowledge of most bizzare sexual fetishi the uninformed go mad over, and may happily participate in most. I've seen Tub Girl, i've seen Man Faye, i've seen Hed Pastede On Cock Yey (woah, this is beggining to sound like a Suess novel) and laughed like a ninny, i've seen fucking C&H yaoi which destroyed my most precious childhood memories, etc etc.

That picture linked? That's just wrong, man.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-12 11:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kindest_demon, 2004-05-13 12:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]chaimonkey, 2004-05-13 04:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]chaimonkey, 2004-05-13 04:47 am UTC

[info]kindest_demon
2004-05-13 12:11 am UTC (link)
I got links to this through my FL yesterday, but couldn't make it through all the "blah blah blah."

I think the writer's full of shit, but what really gets me are all the people who come out of the woodwork whenever someone posts these irrational diatribes and go "right on, stone the chan-ficcers!" or use it as some excuse to say "see, I'm better than you are, because you read this and my pure self does not."

Blah.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-13 01:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-13 02:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kindest_demon, 2004-05-13 04:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]yankthewank, 2004-05-13 02:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-05-13 03:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kindest_demon, 2004-05-13 04:14 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-13 09:46 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-13 10:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]and_chocolate, 2004-05-13 10:55 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-13 04:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sistermagpie, 2004-05-13 05:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kindest_demon, 2004-05-13 06:01 pm UTC

[info]eljuno
2004-05-13 12:21 am UTC (link)
The OP is living under a delusion...namely, that there's any purpose to HP fanfic other than underage sex.*

*That's a joke, kidlets.

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(no subject) - [info]kindest_demon, 2004-05-13 04:19 am UTC

[info]khym_chanur
2004-05-13 12:32 am UTC (link)
I assume that the term "chan" derives from the Japanese honorific "-chan", yes? If so, I curious as to how it migrated to a non-Anime fandom. Also, why didn't whoever-it-was just use "shota-con" and "loli-con" instead of coining a new term?

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(no subject) - [info]ladysorka, 2004-05-13 12:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lizzypaul, 2004-05-13 12:59 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-13 08:41 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-13 09:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aloysius, 2004-05-13 02:42 pm UTC

[info]alpheratz
2004-05-13 01:11 am UTC (link)
*skims rant*

*makes tea*

*rereads the Tea Series*

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(no subject) - [info]kindest_demon, 2004-05-13 04:20 am UTC

smirnoffmule
2004-05-13 03:00 am UTC (link)
Children masturbate when they're young. That's because children don't understand the implications of sex and masturbation.

Can I just say that when I used to masturbate at fourteen, I knew exactly what I was doing? Or would that be too much?

Maybe I won't say it.

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(no subject) - ataniell93, 2004-05-13 07:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aloysius, 2004-05-13 02:38 pm UTC
misquoting Bette Davis
(Anonymous)
2004-05-13 03:47 am UTC (link)
*What* a *twat*.

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[info]hermiones_hymen
2004-05-13 04:37 am UTC (link)
Why does fantasy have to show consequences? That's what real life is for.

I do love when someone tries to talk about sex in a way that is empirical and not at all bring up the fact that it's all based on cultural standards. Oh, just blah.

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(no subject) - [info]nicolae, 2004-05-13 01:54 pm UTC

smirnoffmule
2004-05-13 04:39 am UTC (link)
Someone put boxing gloves on me, or something, I can't stop with the wank.

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(Anonymous)
2004-05-13 05:21 am UTC (link)
ICON LOVE to the MAXXXX!

Oh Rimmer, you silly, sexy hologram, you!

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(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-13 06:06 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-05-13 05:40 am UTC (link)
The wankiest thing in the entire thing is the OP's claim that all of her fics are based in canon, and the rant about how if you want to write some kinds of nastiness, you should stick to a canon that would allow it.

Because, totally, in canon, it completely fits for Remus Lupin to be a Voldemort sympathizer who was working for both the Orders and the Death Eaters, Harry Potter to be a closet sadist who gets off on whips, and Dumbledore to send Snape to kill Harry after he outlives his intended purpose.

Ummm. Yeah. And that chan fic? Totally makes sense in canon...I mean, it's nothing like porn with character names pasted on, after all.

-bemused lurker

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(no subject) - [info]kindest_demon, 2004-05-13 08:41 am UTC
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[info]misswindy
2004-05-13 07:21 am UTC (link)
I don't think the OP was telling the world what they can write. She wasn't saying "You can't write ______." She was just saying "When people don't write _______ it makes the story suck for me." It's still wanky, because it's not like anybody gives a shit, or should, but I think people need to put their pitchforks down once again. It's just an opinion.

musesfool wrote: fantasies are not *stories*

Yes, they are. In fact, they are often synonymous. What a tool. "Stories" may sound more "legitimate" and high-brow, but all fiction is the fantasy work of the author. ALL of it.

Unless it's the eval playjerizing HP fandom, in which case all fiction is the fantasy work of someone else. Ha!

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(no subject) - [info]kindest_demon, 2004-05-13 08:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]misswindy, 2004-05-13 08:44 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-05-13 01:51 pm UTC (link)
Wait - I may just be slow on the uptake here, but I don't understand.

So there are fics "most people don't qualify as 'chan' because they're using British Muggle law (of the 21st century) instead of wizardry world law of the books."

Right, I get that. Except that, you know, we don't quite know all the laws in the Wizarding world.

So then she (the co-writer) says "closest estimation would be the legal age we see for everything else - 17. Legal age for entering a contract, legal age of maturity, legal age of apparation, legal age of wand use out of school, etc."

Okay. Following so far, but smirnoffmule says what I would say, which is that "...in the UK, you can have sex and get married (with parental consent), leave school and join the army at sixteen, but you have to wait till seventeen to drive, and eighteen to buy alcohol, or get a tattoo, or vote. I'd guess it's quite unusual to find a society where the legal age for everything is all the same."

And then you say that the "books are set in a magical world with a magical gov't that based in Britain and has some connections to the culture there. However, I can think of only one law in which there's even remotely similar correlations -- Apparation to driving. Every other law? Very much different. ... But irregardless of whether it does, most people use *current* Muggle law (which was reformed in 2000), which wouldn't apply to the books anyway."

So the question is this: If no pattern or trend in Muggle Law would apply to Wizarding Law, wouldn't it be true that every fic author could set their own age of consent?


Anonymous because you need a code to get an account, yes?,

Gia

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(no subject) - [info]kindest_demon, 2004-05-13 06:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - chief, 2004-05-14 12:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sajasma, 2004-05-14 04:43 am UTC

[info]serpentis
2004-05-13 03:05 pm UTC (link)
*reads wank. Considers. Wanders off to write chan*

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(Anonymous)
2004-05-13 06:57 pm UTC (link)
What everyone's forgetting is that the author has recently posted some of the most awful chan at the Skyehawke archive recently and is quite the hypocrite if she really thinks that she isn't creating some completely offensive shit. It was so vile that I didn't even review it.

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(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-13 07:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-13 11:43 pm UTC
Hokay. - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-14 12:52 am UTC
Re: Hokay. - (Anonymous), 2004-05-14 07:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2004-05-15 05:56 am UTC

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Re: Gotta see it to believe it - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-14 02:36 pm UTC


 
   
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