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Embitca ([info]embitca) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-05-12 15:27:00
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Current mood:*sporfle!*

Politics and fandom = wank!
As soon as Fan_the_vote started getting pimped on my friendslist I knew it was only a matter of time before there would be some wank about it and I wasn't wrong!.

Not only is it stealing from the show creators to write fanfic for campaign contributions, but it's wrong because some of those show creators might be Republicans and here you are giving the money you stole from them to the Democrats.

Hopefully we'll get some stunningly wanky rebuttals to match it. *g*

EDIT: HOLD THE PHONE! This is way wankier! Oh dear Lord, thank you Ian McDuff for being completely batshit.


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[info]llama_treats
2004-05-13 01:48 am UTC (link)
We can pay for votes in this country now? Damn, I wish I knew that during the last presidential election! Does the electoral college take PayPal?

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(no subject) - [info]embitca, 2004-05-13 01:49 am UTC
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[info]kijikun
2004-05-13 02:01 am UTC (link)
*headdesks*

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[info]flax
2004-05-13 02:09 am UTC (link)
*waves hand here, waves hand here*

Hard to say where I stand on this. While it is making money off a franchise not yours, it's not precisely selling a book - it's more of a barter 'Maybe if you...i'll...' thing.

But my god, the intelligent, polite debate. I'm...i'm not used to this. Where are my trolls? Where are my overly excited BNFs? Where are the the amazing amounts of exclamation marks? No...it's allright...i'll recover. Give me a moment.

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(no subject) - [info]embitca, 2004-05-13 02:32 am UTC
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[info]ashenmote
2004-05-13 02:13 am UTC (link)
Maybe that is just me being on my way to bed, but I had a look at that page and to me Lasultrixs view on the fan_the_vote thing seems just well thought through and valid.

What did I miss?

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(no subject) - [info]embitca, 2004-05-13 02:20 am UTC
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Re: - [info]embitca, 2004-05-13 04:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lasultrix, 2004-05-13 10:53 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]lasultrix, 2004-05-13 04:54 pm UTC
Re: - [info]embitca, 2004-05-13 06:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-14 12:14 am UTC
Re: - [info]embitca, 2004-05-14 03:30 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-05-13 02:20 am UTC (link)
What is this "Fan The Vote" thing? A television show...?

-- Azzie

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(no subject) - [info]embitca, 2004-05-13 02:31 am UTC
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Re: - [info]embitca, 2004-05-13 04:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-05-13 04:24 pm UTC
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Re: - [info]embitca, 2004-05-13 08:18 am UTC
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Re: - [info]embitca, 2004-05-13 08:30 am UTC
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[info]serai
2004-05-13 02:38 am UTC (link)
Well, it's an interesting situation. I thought that one poster made a very good point about fanfic writers not having money to contribute to campaigns most of the time. I know I certainly don't have money for that, though I'd like to contribute. So if somebody else wants to do it for me...oh whatever. Since I'm not involved, I'll just shrug.

*shrug*

However, it is rather gratifying to see people discuss something as potentially volatile as this with so much restraint. It may not be very exciting, but the Roman Colisseum version of fandom isn't really my ideal, to be honest.

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(no subject) - [info]embitca, 2004-05-13 02:49 am UTC
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[info]verdefern
2004-05-13 02:45 am UTC (link)
But they should be publically derided for the horrible evil festering evil they promote! Did I mention evil?

Politics is of the RL and should never be brought into fandom!

We have our very own politics and it fulfills all our wanky needs. Begone evil politics talking people!

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-05-13 03:13 am UTC
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[info]greenling
2004-05-13 03:07 am UTC (link)
I don't get it. Where were these people when a bunch of folks I stalk started offering drabbles for donations to charity?

Some of the charities were pretty politically-oriented as well...

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(no subject) - [info]lasultrix, 2004-05-13 05:51 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]lasultrix, 2004-05-13 11:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-13 11:47 pm UTC
Re-written due to incoherence - [info]idlerat, 2004-05-14 07:08 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]isiscolo, 2004-05-15 02:33 am UTC

[info]backfromspace
2004-05-13 03:37 am UTC (link)
On a completely serious note, I think it's a good idea with a massive flaw centered on property laws. Maybe a typeathon or something would be a better idea, with people pleding $1 for every thousand words, or something. Then if you wrote fanfic, it'd be irrelevant, because you'd be exchanging the time for donations, as opposed to the content.

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[info]oxydosic
2004-05-13 06:41 am UTC (link)
Ian McDuff..wasn't he featured in a wank on Blurty? I can't for the life of me remember what it was about though.

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(no subject) - [info]embitca, 2004-05-13 07:22 am UTC
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[info]snarl
2004-05-13 06:46 am UTC (link)
Wait... Zell Miller has gravitas?

Only if it's some rare kind of colon disease. The guy is a total assclown.

*boggle*

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[info]chaobell
2004-05-13 06:56 am UTC (link)
...boy.

When you say "completely batshit," you ain't kidding.

You know that stage in a baby's development? The one where he spends all his time making noise just to hear himself make noise?

Yeah.

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OT - [info]diamonde, 2004-05-13 09:44 am UTC

[info]limyaael
2004-05-13 07:25 am UTC (link)
My god. The first thing I thought when I started reading that Ian McDuff post was, "P@L has crossed into politics!"

The long, wanky sentences! The dashes where no dashes should be! The horribly stupid metaphors! Make them go back to pompous Silmarillion discussion where they belooong!

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[info]eilan
2004-05-13 07:51 am UTC (link)
Oh, Ian McDuff, how I love you since you said in your journal that Germany is the most evil state on earth and did everything but calling me a Nazi because I pointed out to you that America isn't God and Germany the Devil...

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ataniell93
2004-05-13 08:03 am UTC (link)
...because, you know, Bush's government and those who support it never, ever stole any of MY money...

I once thought we'd go in there, get rid of Saddam and leave, and you know, that was okay with me. At first.

But you know, Abu Ghraib makes me ashamed to pay taxes. We all paid for that shit. So, like, if someone planning to go vote for Bush were to lose $5 because I write a fic to get him removed...

Sorry! (not)

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-13 08:22 am UTC
where DID I put that flyswatter? Oh, there it is! *swats buzzing fly* - ataniell93, 2004-05-13 08:51 am UTC
Re: where DID I put that flyswatter? Oh, there it is! *swats buzzing fly* - [info]bishounenhuntrs, 2004-05-17 06:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]vasaris, 2004-05-13 12:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dhaunea, 2004-05-13 11:27 pm UTC

[info]lovelypoet
2004-05-13 08:42 am UTC (link)
If I promise someone a shiny gold star if they donate to a campaign, have I undermined the election process and pushed civilization toward a firey end? Or is it just writing of teh hott sex?

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-13 10:17 pm UTC

[info]flax
2004-05-13 08:57 am UTC (link)
*waves*

Hi! As a resident of the >only country in the world</i> which does subsist and survive merely by the grace of the good ol' US of A, I would like to say: Mr. Ian McDuff, whoever the fuck you are: - and I can't seem to figure out if it's a Senator or a BNF, but it might be both - Go fuck yourself with a 4x4, preferably multiple times. You are both an idiot and a pretentious latin quoter - and the second leads to terrorism.

Secondly...I may have wanked a little. Or maybe a lot. Gotta change pants now...

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(no subject) - [info]vasaris, 2004-05-13 11:24 pm UTC

[info]diamonde
2004-05-13 09:27 am UTC (link)
I do particularly like how he rants on about how offensive it is for people to say nasty things about Bush or America then turns around and says that all of us fat foreigners can only afford to roll in our Dorito crumbs because we're under their protection.

I find that pretty offensive but also laughably untrue.

Australians do have an army which we paid for ourselves and it's a very nice one. Not very big, but we don't have very many people. I'm sincerely grateful for the assistance we got from the US in the '40s (although I wish they'd kept MacArthur). But we haven't actually needed defending or recieved any military assistance in sixty years and have paid to participate in every war the US has started since, and are still paying for the rehabilitation of the soldiers involved and their families. We save on taxes because of them? As far as the military goes, the US costs us billions of dollars. We essentially trade military and diplomatic backing for a place to sell our exports to.

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(no subject) - [info]misswindy, 2004-05-13 07:30 pm UTC
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[info]serai
2004-05-13 12:13 pm UTC (link)
Please fuck yourself with a 2x4?

Heehee! There's an icon in there. I must contemplate.

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[info]ashenmote
2004-05-13 03:17 pm UTC (link)
Ma? Please? Can we get moral gravitas and be part of civilization as a whole, too? It sure would be fun!

Seriously, I think that was the best defriending speech I have ever read! I love the sound of apocalyptic riders in the morning.

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*snorts* - [info]vasaris, 2004-05-13 11:20 pm UTC

[info]smo
2004-05-13 09:35 pm UTC (link)
Mommy, what's a Rubicon?

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(no subject) - [info]northatlantic, 2004-05-13 10:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]diamonde, 2004-05-14 07:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-05-14 04:12 pm UTC
In the event this was a legit question... - [info]cpip, 2004-05-14 04:30 pm UTC

[info]eilan
2004-05-13 10:59 pm UTC (link)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/ianmcduff/59545.html?thread=364441#t364441

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(Anonymous)
2004-05-14 03:27 am UTC (link)
Am I seriously the first person who gets to say "Lay off, MacDuff"?

Because that'd be fun.

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[info]cpip
2004-05-14 07:46 pm UTC (link)
Me, I can't say I like the idea of fan_the_vote. It seems silly, and I agree with some of the calm posters in the first thread about how this is a pretty shameless bribery attempt, and, indeed, I'd rather have honest apathy too.

There wasn't too much wank, except for the folks who rambled on and tried to morally justify themselves. "Ooooh, I'm doing bad things but it's okay!" B.S.

That second one, though, produces ungodly wank; spooge all over the place from a loud-n-strident Good Ol' Angry American. While some of his viewpoints I may be sympathetic to... hey, he can froth in his LJ if he wants, I guess.

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(Anonymous)
2004-05-17 10:30 pm UTC (link)
Dude, where's the wank?

Oh, wait. Ian McDuff.

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