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Sevoi ([info]sevoi) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-05-20 16:18:00


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Current mood:*sporfle!*

Wank alert on uk.media.tv.angel!
Google groups link here or if you want to see the newest developments (cos it's still growing, folks) point your newsreader at the "New Whedon series?" thread.

It all starts out innocently enough with a vague rumour of a new series. Then kim turns up and more or less immediately starts wanking. Firefly characterisation is argued about, in a mostly civilised way at first, but then "Nathan Fillion's firmly sculpted bee-hind" (thanks Mattia!) is brought up, prompting the comment that jump-starts the whole of the rest of this thing:

kim: This is an american network show, not dutch. Homo-erotic nudity may be acceptable for european audiences but they are certainly not in the USA.

This prompts the question "So you class any male nudity as homo-erotic? Doesn't that presume that none of the audience is female?"

We then have kim replying:
Just because men like to look at naked women there is no reason why women would want to look at naked men and It became fashionable in the USA a few years ago for women to pretend to like looking at naked men and what Americans do everyone else is eventually forced to follow suit. Most sane, sober women (ie: not drunk at a hen party) find the sight of naked men extremely repulsive whether they admit it or not.
Note: kim is male

Naturally, this sparks some "Wuh?" reactions and assertions from female members of the newsgroup that they do indeed like looking at nekkid men, thankyouverymuch. Kim continues wanking. And says that women are only attracted to babies and "have no sex drive as such." Really, it all just gets better from there. Not only does he manage to repeatedly contradict himself on various points, he gets heartily mocked in the process. But still he Just. Won't. Stop.

Additional wankage from kim here on uk.media.tv.buffy-v-slayer in the thread "any mention in BtVS why slayers only females?" where he goes on about Joss Whedon being a "mysogenist" and having a mother complex... Not as good as the first, but still some definite spooge there.

Note interior cross-referencing between the two :)

Edit: My stealth interweb badgers, while taking a break from deleting porn, have discovered something about kim.




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[info]phosfate
2004-05-20 06:28 pm UTC (link)
Oh, Kim, Kim, Kim. It's just you, darling. Just because women find you repulsive doesn't mean we find all men repulsive.

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(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-05-20 06:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jediowl, 2004-05-22 04:05 pm UTC

[info]smo
2004-05-20 06:29 pm UTC (link)
And says that women are only attracted to babies and "have no sex drive as such."

Let the record show I have never found an infant sexually attractive.

And I have a DAMN good sex drive. Just can't find a good driver. Snurfle.

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(no subject) - [info]azarias, 2004-05-20 09:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-05-20 09:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rhi_silverflame, 2004-05-21 06:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]raykat, 2004-05-21 11:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-05-21 04:13 pm UTC

[info]geekmagirl
2004-05-20 06:38 pm UTC (link)
God, I love my old fandom. LOVE IT.

I'm expecting floods of post-Angel wank now.

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[info]mouseybrown
2004-05-20 06:40 pm UTC (link)
"Most sane, sober women (ie: not drunk at a hen party) find the sight of naked men extremely repulsive whether they admit it or not."

Replace "repulsive" with "hysterically funny" and he'd have a point. I know that I always want to laugh whenever a man displays his wibblie-wobblies.

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(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-05-20 06:46 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-05-20 06:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jaseroque, 2004-05-20 07:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-05-20 08:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]redjackcash, 2004-05-20 09:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bemysty, 2004-05-20 10:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-20 06:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]romanesque, 2004-05-21 11:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]julia, 2004-05-20 07:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jaseroque, 2004-05-20 07:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-05-20 08:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jaseroque, 2004-05-21 08:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-05-21 04:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jaseroque, 2004-05-22 08:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cairea, 2004-05-20 09:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]krazycat, 2004-05-22 12:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cairea, 2004-05-22 01:50 am UTC
Re: - [info]krazycat, 2004-05-22 01:55 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2004-05-21 06:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nicolae, 2004-05-20 06:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-05-20 08:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]krazycat, 2004-05-20 08:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]azarias, 2004-05-20 09:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - ataniell93, 2004-05-20 09:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-05-20 09:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ailei, 2004-05-20 10:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gjeanz, 2004-05-21 05:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kyuuketsukirui, 2004-05-21 12:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gjeanz, 2004-05-21 05:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sewingmyfish, 2004-05-21 05:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2004-05-21 07:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-05-21 04:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]princessdot, 2004-05-21 03:12 am UTC
Return my Yaoi License
[info]deoridhe
2004-05-20 06:46 pm UTC (link)
...does this mean I have to return my yaoi license ;cause I don'l like looking at two hot guys getting it on anymore????

*cries*

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Re: Return my Yaoi License - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-05-20 06:47 pm UTC
Re: Return my Yaoi License - [info]deoridhe, 2004-05-20 10:30 pm UTC
Re: Return my Yaoi License - [info]sevoi, 2004-05-20 06:52 pm UTC
Re: Return my Yaoi License - [info]tekenduis, 2004-05-20 07:17 pm UTC
Re: Return my Yaoi License - [info]wg, 2004-05-20 07:23 pm UTC
Re: Return my Yaoi License - [info]deoridhe, 2004-05-20 08:16 pm UTC
Re: Return my Yaoi License - [info]ahiru, 2004-05-20 08:18 pm UTC
Re: Return my Yaoi License - [info]deoridhe, 2004-05-20 10:29 pm UTC
Re: Return my Yaoi License - [info]htrismegistus, 2004-05-21 08:15 am UTC
Re: Return my Yaoi License - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-05-20 09:26 pm UTC
Re: Return my Yaoi License - [info]deoridhe, 2004-05-20 10:32 pm UTC

[info]wg
2004-05-20 07:01 pm UTC (link)
Oh, i wondered if someone was going to put this up. I considered it, but was to scared to go through it again to make the post in case my brain exploded. My eyes bugged out so far on first reading it seemed a distinct possibility. I decided not to reply to this wanker a few days ago, but am most impressed by my friends who did so to bring us teh funneh.

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(no subject) - [info]sevoi, 2004-05-20 07:09 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]wg, 2004-05-20 07:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]invadervim, 2004-05-20 07:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-05-20 08:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tekenduis, 2004-05-20 09:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]wg, 2004-05-20 09:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tekenduis, 2004-05-20 09:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]wg, 2004-05-20 09:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]telophase, 2004-05-20 09:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]yankthewank, 2004-05-21 12:17 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-08-17 06:13 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-05-20 07:03 pm UTC (link)
That is ridiculous.

And Yukie, you're hilarious. XD

--Incisivis

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(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-05-21 05:04 pm UTC

[info]krazycat
2004-05-20 07:05 pm UTC (link)
Most sane, sober women (ie: not drunk at a hen party) find the sight of naked men extremely repulsive whether they admit it or not.

No no, that was the LESBIANS, dude. Lesbians. Chicks who like chiks.

If girls didn't find guys naked attractive noone would get laid *ever*.

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(no subject) - [info]kannaophelia, 2004-05-21 08:00 am UTC
Bwahaw - (Anonymous), 2004-05-21 09:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]krazycat, 2004-05-22 12:44 am UTC

[info]jaseroque
2004-05-20 07:08 pm UTC (link)
My head. The desk.

There are just no words for this stupid.

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(Anonymous)
2004-05-20 07:16 pm UTC (link)
Most sane, sober women (ie: not drunk at a hen party) find the sight of naked men extremely repulsive whether they admit it or not.

women are only attracted to babies and "have no sex drive as such.


Wow...now what the hell does that mean for the slash/yaoi fandoms. That usually involves two (or more, depending on the slasher's mood) men and no babies...which is a good thing.

So does this mean all women are pedophiles?

mchan3000 @ livejournal

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[info]teratologist
2004-05-20 07:35 pm UTC (link)
Repulsed? Au contraire. I'm fascinated by the fact that an effective hydraulic lift system can essentially be engineered completely out of soft, relatively permeable materials.

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(no subject) - [info]mouseybrown, 2004-05-20 07:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-05-20 08:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-05-21 05:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bemysty, 2004-05-20 10:08 pm UTC
I hate myself. I think I need therapy. - [info]bemysty, 2004-05-20 11:03 pm UTC
Re: I hate myself. I think I need therapy. - [info]tekenduis, 2004-05-21 03:03 am UTC
Re: I hate myself. I think I need therapy. - [info]bemysty, 2004-05-21 05:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - redwarrior, 2004-05-20 08:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]teratologist, 2004-05-21 02:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]electric_sheep, 2004-05-20 08:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]wg, 2004-05-20 08:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]electric_sheep, 2004-05-20 08:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eiviiaru, 2004-05-20 10:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]teratologist, 2004-05-21 02:28 am UTC
*dies laughing*
[info]littleshebear
2004-05-20 07:54 pm UTC (link)
That. Was. Beautiful.

"Also, my name is not Helen. Although if it were, it would probably only be
on the weekends, when I would want only babies from my entire existence."

"What about wood-cuts?"

">You really haven't seen what's on the internet lately have you?

While you, apparently, haven't quite seen what's on the planet."


I think I'm in love with this Dan. My ass wears a hat for him: <3

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Re: *dies laughing* - [info]electric_sheep, 2004-05-20 08:25 pm UTC
Re: *dies laughing* - [info]wg, 2004-05-20 08:42 pm UTC
Re: *dies laughing* - [info]electric_sheep, 2004-05-20 08:45 pm UTC
Re: *dies laughing* - [info]wg, 2004-05-20 08:55 pm UTC
Re: *dies laughing* - [info]electric_sheep, 2004-05-20 08:57 pm UTC
Re: *dies laughing* - [info]theonedespot, 2004-05-20 10:52 pm UTC
Re: *dies laughing* - [info]electric_sheep, 2004-05-20 11:18 pm UTC
Re: *dies laughing* - [info]theonedespot, 2004-05-20 11:31 pm UTC
Re: *dies laughing* - [info]electric_sheep, 2004-05-20 11:44 pm UTC
Re: *dies laughing* - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-05-21 05:07 pm UTC
Re: *dies laughing* - [info]littleshebear, 2004-05-21 02:21 am UTC

[info]krazycat
2004-05-20 08:23 pm UTC (link)
YAY!
It crossed into my fandom!!

There is, however, a lot of slash. Men gettin' it on in fiction, as it
were. Written mostly by...straight women, apparently. There is also a
lot of fan art, including eye-gouging renditions of Legolas (ie, ORLI)
butt nekkid under a shady tree. Drawn by women. For the squee and
enjoyment of women. It's not porn, strictly, because it's at least got
context. So maybe, and I can't believe I'm using Orli Fan art to make
this point
, women have more...taste.

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[info]electric_sheep
2004-05-20 08:26 pm UTC (link)
Arrrg. Umta and f_w collide!

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(no subject) - [info]miracalix, 2004-05-20 08:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-05-20 09:27 pm UTC
This just gets better and better
[info]krazycat
2004-05-20 08:29 pm UTC (link)
It's not 'sex drive' in the same sense as men have sex drive. It's a modified
form of the biological need to have babies for which women need men. Also
whereas a man is satiated by having sex it has the exact opposite effect on a
woman. The more she has the more she needs, isn't that right girls?


Well yes.
Having sex makes you want ... more sex.
I would have to say that that's not entirely incorrect.

But then why are condoms used?

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Re: This just gets better and better - [info]smo, 2004-05-20 08:44 pm UTC
Re: This just gets better and better - [info]eiviiaru, 2004-05-20 11:02 pm UTC

[info]krazycat
2004-05-20 08:44 pm UTC (link)
And now I feel sorry for the stupid troll:

"

>So you never got blow-jobs?

Certainly not and outside the pages of certain magazines I don't know any men
who have either.

>Never got touched anywhere on your body?
>Never got massaged, rubbed, kissed, licked, sucked?

Not being a woman there is no reason I would want to be except for the last bit
and preferably involving Alyson Hannigan.

>All you did was
>place your penis in women's vaginas and impregnated them, while they
>*tolerated* your unattractive body humping them for impregnation
>purposes?

Yes terrible isn't it? It used to be called normal sex and you could be locked
up for doing anything different from that.

(kim)"

I have no words.
None.

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(no subject) - [info]tekenduis, 2004-05-20 09:06 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2004-05-21 07:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-05-20 09:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mister_terrific, 2004-05-20 09:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2004-05-21 07:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mouseybrown, 2004-05-21 04:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bohicamouse, 2004-05-21 01:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]teratologist, 2004-05-21 02:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mouseybrown, 2004-05-21 04:27 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]kyuuketsukirui, 2004-05-21 12:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]danceswithelvis, 2004-05-22 12:46 am UTC

[info]psychofangirl
2004-05-20 08:49 pm UTC (link)
What a fucking tool.

Must have been fun ripping him to shreds.

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wolfie_thu
2004-05-20 09:10 pm UTC (link)
Women have no sex drive, eh? Of course not. My average of nine orgasms a day? Merely the by-product of American imperialism...or something...

Most sane, sober women (ie: not drunk at a hen party) find the sight of naked men extremely repulsive whether they admit it or not.
I really, really hate that argument. It's the same one the guys in my art class, a few years ago, tried to use to convince the teacher that while it was perfectly okay for them to draw pictures of naked women having orgies, I shouldn't be allowed to paint a picture of a naked man. And no, I'm not bitter about it at all.

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Orgies - [info]deoridhe, 2004-05-20 10:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]krazycat, 2004-05-21 02:04 am UTC

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[info]sarajayechan
2004-05-20 09:14 pm UTC (link)
Just because men like to look at naked women there is no reason why women would want to look at naked men and It became fashionable in the USA a few years ago for women to pretend to like looking at naked men and what Americans do everyone else is eventually forced to follow suit. Most sane, sober women (ie: not drunk at a hen party) find the sight of naked men extremely repulsive whether they admit it or not.

Cause, everyone knows girls don't have any sex drive whatsoever. They're just supposed to sit quietly, be nice and pretty and have babies.

*YANKS this guy into the 21st century*

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ataniell93
2004-05-20 09:22 pm UTC (link)
Actually, I find most babies repulsive. Only the alert, quiet ones appeal to me.

Children don't get to be cute until they can talk and only then if they can behave themselves.

And I love looking at naked guys with hard cocks...

If they're worth looking at that is. Believe this could be Kim's problem.

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[info]redjackcash
2004-05-20 09:26 pm UTC (link)
Wow.

I second the motion that this is utterly ridiculous.

Penises are hot. They are used for sexy penetration, and this is why they are so very hot. But then, to me, lots of things are hot...

...also, yaoi is a bad comparison because the naked men in yaoi very rarely look like actual naked men. They look more like tubes with a little dangly bit sticking out, and for some reason they are often sans balls. Of course, the lack of nipples doesn't help the "tube" effect, either...

Nipples are sexy. It is too bad there is a lack of them.

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(no subject) - [info]purest_chaos, 2004-05-20 09:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kyuuketsukirui, 2004-05-21 03:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]redjackcash, 2004-05-21 08:26 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-05-20 09:43 pm UTC (link)
Let's put it this way.
The main reason women don't go nuts every time they see a naked guy is that the average straight man does *not* take care of his appearance, and the average penis size isn't all that big. So you have this hairy, flabby body in front of you and you have to squint to see the goods....

So yeah, there's the problem.

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[info]mister_terrific
2004-05-20 09:45 pm UTC (link)
There are times I think the world would be a far better place if, for one day a year, men and women traded their sexual equipment. Of course, nothing would get done because of all the subsequent masturbating, but then again, we probably would achieve world peace for that day and just about everyone would be a) in a great mood b) too tired to cause trouble and c) extremely raw in certain areas.

But it should only be for one day a year, so that people wouldn't get jaded with the concept. Or maybe a few days per decade, selected at random. Too much repitition and it would lose all the fun of the concept.

JSM

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(no subject) - [info]theonedespot, 2004-05-20 10:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mister_terrific, 2004-05-20 11:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-05-21 05:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]oysteria, 2004-05-20 11:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gairid, 2004-05-21 03:19 am UTC
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Re: - [info]arielchan, 2004-05-21 07:54 pm UTC
Re: - [info]liarliar, 2004-05-21 07:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2004-05-21 07:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mister_terrific, 2004-05-21 08:30 pm UTC

smirnoffmule
2004-05-20 11:01 pm UTC (link)
I have a cousin who made this exact assertion at a family gathering (without the Whedon elements), and continued to stick to his guns, despite me, his mother, his sister and our aunt all telling him in no uncertain terms he was talking out of his arse (and you'd think, being women, he might concede that we had the first hand knowledge, but nooo). He went to an all-boys school, bless. And is probably bitter because I've had more girlfriends than him.

Seriously, I've got enough to do in my life already without wasting time *pretending* to enjoy looking at naked men just because the, um, US media says I should, even though I'm British. Too busy looking at the naked men, for one thing.

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(no subject) - [info]vasaris, 2004-05-21 10:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sistermagpie, 2004-05-21 11:38 pm UTC

[info]eiviiaru
2004-05-20 11:07 pm UTC (link)
There's a question I've wanted to ask the people who argue this sort of thing since the first time I heard the argument (from a girl, at least) back in high school:

So, uh... if women are supposed to be quietly tolerant of sex and anything else is anti-biological blasphemy... what's up with the clitoris?

OMG EVEN WOMEN'S BODIES ACT AGAINST THEIR BIOLOGICAL IMPERATIVES! MY SHOCK AND HORROR MAKES MY SHIFT KEY STICK

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(no subject) - [info]geekmagirl, 2004-05-21 02:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]gjeanz, 2004-05-21 05:05 am UTC



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