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anatsuno
2004-05-22 12:39 am UTC (link)

we do not troll means: it's not in the spirit of the comm, and in most of its members view it's an uncool and non fun thing to do. we also, as pointed out, pretty much self regulate... which means the mods weren't stuffing their heads in their asses but ratehr doing what they normally do: nothing.

FW doesn't ban people often AT ALL. the fact that one member (or two, or ten) happen to misbehave or behave v wankily off the grounds is no sufficient motive for the mods to go all dictator-like.

What do you think?

I think yes, and if yes the WTF yre you doing here? we don't all like each otehr here or agree with each other (AT ALL) but why get into a community if you dislike it's mode of functionning? sounds pointless to me.

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	anatsuno 2004-05-22 12:42 am UTC (link)
	apologizes to the Grammar and Spelling God for stupid typos, pleads way-past-bedtime amendment (Reply to this)(Parent)

rivier
2004-05-22 12:55 am UTC (link)

I think moderating means taking occasional action, or why have moderators at all? For instance, one option would be to delete entries which breach the spirit or intent of the community. I think that's not the world's most difficult concept, and it's not banning either, which I wasn't advocating - what on earth would be the point of that? People simply take another account and come back if they're determined to spread shit.

I certainly don't think I'm "getting into [your] community". Why the fuck would I want to do that? I do watch out for what's being posted here, since that incident. If someone's going to run up some giant libellous post about me, and the rest of this community is going to either give their assent through inaction to what's being posted up about me, or comment encouraging the poster, then I'd at least like to know about it.

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	Okay! anatsuno 2004-05-22 01:08 am UTC (link)
	I got it now, I think. It's all clear. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Okay! rivier 2004-05-22 01:17 am UTC (link)
	No, you didn't, but I shouldn't worry. That's going to happen to you a lot. Perhaps you just need to stick to mocking people who are dumber than you. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Okay! smo 2004-05-22 01:27 am UTC (link)
	Hey, it was either that or "Bitch, please." (Reply to this)(Parent)

>.<

anatsuno
2004-05-22 01:34 am UTC (link)

you're right, I didn't understand, i was only evading-- a friend asked me gently to not feed the wank. seems like it's exploding anyway, so, let me come clean and atone omg: LET LOOSE THE WANK.

you're not making yourself clear.

you were basically saying at first that you'd been the victim of trolling, contrary to 'policy', and so: we're hypocrites (big news, man).
...and then you go on to explain that the 'trolling' was a FW post? meh.

are you confusing an entry reporting wank with 'trolling'? or are you saying that someone posted a wank that should've been in i_wank cos the OP in FW was the same person who'd disagreed (i suppose, with you) in the wank reported? unclear!

so... maybe you're the one confused as to what we count as such when we say 'don't troll'.

if you mean that people went to your lj/jf/comm/msgboard/wotever and poked you with sticks and provoked you as a result of a post in FW, then we *are* on the same page about what trolling is... and in that case: the mods possibly saw the wank about you at the time, but no, they *probably* didn't follow the links to then notice and 'witness' that FW members were trolling. *shrugs* if you think they should follow all the links and shit, man, reread the guidelines and the panda comment.

mostly, so far, you seem to be calling 'trolling' the simple fact that someone posted a wank in which you were involved/named/quoted. "libellous"? sounds like the language of every other inflamed!wankee to me.

so make yourself clear first, yeah? i'll go take a nap in the meantime.

omg wankas pliz pliz pliz forgive me for wanting to go to the bottom of this. cannot resist meta!wank *sinner*

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Re: >.<
rivier
2004-05-22 01:41 am UTC (link)

Ah, I was misled by the use of the word 'fandom' in the community title. I thought that meant "we mock things pertaining to people behaving stupidly in a fandom context", and not "we like to insult anyone for the hell of it, regardless of whether it has the slightest thing to do with fandom or not, or has the slightest grain of truth or not."

You maybe need to consider a change of name.

And please, don't hold back on my account. You might make yourself look halfway sentient if you did.

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anatsuno, 2004-05-22 01:49 am UTC

Re: >.< - rivier, 2004-05-22 02:02 am UTC

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melange, 2004-05-22 02:08 am UTC

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snacky, 2004-05-22 02:12 am UTC

If you ask me... -

raisedbyhyenas, 2004-05-22 02:22 am UTC

Thank you, Sir! May I have another wank, Sir! -

bitpixy, 2004-05-23 07:14 am UTC

	Re: >.< deoridhe 2004-05-22 01:51 am UTC (link)
	Bad Ana-chan! No donut! (But you can have a cookie!) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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anatsuno, 2004-05-22 11:59 am UTC

	Re: Okay! deoridhe 2004-05-22 01:50 am UTC (link)
	blinks Who released the stupid into the thread? Smo-chan, was that you? I thought I told you to throw that stupid out after CrystalWank!!! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: Okay! anatsuno 2004-05-22 12:00 pm UTC (link)
	I thought I wasn't, at the time... but now I can see how, in fact, I was doing just that. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Okay! texta 2004-05-22 12:07 pm UTC (link)
	No, hon, you were talking to someone dumber than you, not mocking her, despite her complete inability to make a point without insulting you. hugs (Reply to this)(Parent)

wankprophet
2004-05-22 01:14 am UTC (link)

For the benefit of us who have no fucking clue what you're talking about, could you give a hint -- or, preferably, a link -- pointing toward the post that made you so pissed-off? As it stands, I'm not even certain why you are being humored without confirmation that you're not just whining cause you got wanked rather than expressing a legitimate grievance.

The problem is, the original post made the point that the mods were something of a last resort, stepping in when the community itself is exploding into troll-induced into flames. The point about not trolling wasn't a descriptive, but a proscriptive...hinkey was saying that trolling is not going to be looked kindly upon. And I, for one, never do take kindly to it. And -- like many others -- will make no bones about pointing it out to the troll in question. There are even, as ana points out, people in this community we know are trollish wankers...but the fact that the mods don't shut them down at every turn (which, given the animus against deletions here, seems natural) doesn't imply approval of them or their wankiness. This is not a heavily-policed community, and that's one of the reasons people like it here -- we're expected to take responsibility for ourselves. The ones that don't...well, they can go fuck themselves.

In any event, this is moot for me until I see some reason to believe you were actually wronged rather than you got upset at being wanked and decided that Fandom_Wank was somehow responsible for the fact that you were being wankier than a Boy Scout Troop on a camping trip.

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mirabellawotr
2004-05-22 01:24 am UTC (link)

I think moderating means taking occasional action, or why have moderators at all?

As someone who's raised this issue myself, I kind of want to speak to this, but I don't feel like I have enough information. I'm not clear, to begin with, on whether you were actually trolled - i.e., people came onto your LJ to post bitchy and wanky comments - or whether you just got wanked on Fandom Wank and didn't like it. Most of us are in agreement that vendetta wanks suck, and most of us can also smell them from a mile away, and there are usually some snarky comments on the topic in response to the FW post. Also, posts that are not about fandom are usually directed somewhere else.

If people were actually following you around trolling you, yeah, that sucks and those people were asshats, and feel free to post names and copies of the comments if you have them so we can all point and laugh at those people too. I do want to point out, though, that there's a limit to what the FW mods can do about things that happen on people's private LJs on other journal services; about all they can do, and we can do, is make clear that that kind of behavior is deemed fuckwittish and mockworthy - and also realize that in a community of over 1600 people there are going to be a nontrivial number of assholes who Just Do Not Get It.

If, on the other hand, you're pissed because you were being wanky and got made fun of... well, about all I can say is that we're not forcing you to hang out here, and you might want to find another hobby that doesn't involve hanging around 1600 people you hate.

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rivier
2004-05-22 01:35 am UTC (link)

Okay, whoa. 'Vendetta wanks' aren't 'trolling' and should therefore be left to stand as they were posted? So, I can come here and systematically post entry after entry pouring a barrage of fictitious shit over each of you by name, and no-one will ask for any of these posts to be removed?

I guess I've mis-understood the concept of trolling. It only counts if someone shits on your own doorstep. Not if they do it anywhere else online. Thank you! Much clearer now.

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llama_treats
2004-05-22 01:42 am UTC (link)

So, I can come here and systematically post entry after entry pouring a barrage of fictitious shit over each of you by name, and no-one will ask for any of these posts to be removed

Fictitious? I usually find links to ACTUAL, REAL WANK here. I have yet to come across anyone who posts random crap about someone else without a link to the proof (i.e. the original post where the person being commented upon is being wanky). And yes, people here at F-W will be more than glad to tell a poster that they don't think the item they posted about is wanky, or that they're the ones who are being wanky and that they should move their post to the i-wank community.

Oh, and I hate to break it to you, but llama_treats is not my real name, and you are more than welcome to post fictitious shit about me if it will make you feel better.

P.S. It would really help us understand WTF your problem is if you posted a link to the "trolling" to which you're referring.

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	rivier 2004-05-22 02:06 am UTC (link)
	When you're a moderator here, and posting up entries about the de minimis guidelines allegedly respected by the majority of members of this community, I'll give a shit about whether you understand me or not. Until then, you can whistle. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)