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hinky ([info]hugsnkisses) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-05-21 20:58:00
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Even pandas need hugs sometimes.
Previous post moved here kthx.

[info]hugsnkisses writes a post about conduct on well known community journal [info]fandom_wank. People seem appreciative of this until rivier comes along.

She questions one of the guidelines set down and references a "nasty personal vendetta" as proof that the moderating on FW is subpar, despite the non-active modding role having been explained in the original post.

Various people attempt to reason with her, whilst others just point, laugh and ramble about pandas.

Wank ongoing, so just dive right in.

(psst: viking porn!!!)

And yes, this should go in [info]i_wank. And no, it's not going to.

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[info]mirabellawotr
2004-05-22 01:24 am UTC (link)
I think moderating means taking occasional action, or why have moderators at all?

As someone who's raised this issue myself, I kind of want to speak to this, but I don't feel like I have enough information. I'm not clear, to begin with, on whether you were actually trolled - i.e., people came onto your LJ to post bitchy and wanky comments - or whether you just got wanked on Fandom Wank and didn't like it. Most of us are in agreement that vendetta wanks suck, and most of us can also smell them from a mile away, and there are usually some snarky comments on the topic in response to the FW post. Also, posts that are not about fandom are usually directed somewhere else.

If people were actually following you around trolling you, yeah, that sucks and those people were asshats, and feel free to post names and copies of the comments if you have them so we can all point and laugh at those people too. I do want to point out, though, that there's a limit to what the FW mods can do about things that happen on people's private LJs on other journal services; about all they can do, and we can do, is make clear that that kind of behavior is deemed fuckwittish and mockworthy - and also realize that in a community of over 1600 people there are going to be a nontrivial number of assholes who Just Do Not Get It.

If, on the other hand, you're pissed because you were being wanky and got made fun of... well, about all I can say is that we're not forcing you to hang out here, and you might want to find another hobby that doesn't involve hanging around 1600 people you hate.

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rivier
2004-05-22 01:35 am UTC (link)
Okay, whoa. 'Vendetta wanks' aren't 'trolling' and should therefore be left to stand as they were posted? So, I can come here and systematically post entry after entry pouring a barrage of fictitious shit over each of you by name, and no-one will ask for any of these posts to be removed?

I guess I've mis-understood the concept of trolling. It only counts if someone shits on your own doorstep. Not if they do it anywhere else online. Thank you! Much clearer now.

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[info]llama_treats
2004-05-22 01:42 am UTC (link)
So, I can come here and systematically post entry after entry pouring a barrage of fictitious shit over each of you by name, and no-one will ask for any of these posts to be removed

Fictitious? I usually find links to ACTUAL, REAL WANK here. I have yet to come across anyone who posts random crap about someone else without a link to the proof (i.e. the original post where the person being commented upon is being wanky). And yes, people here at F-W will be more than glad to tell a poster that they don't think the item they posted about is wanky, or that they're the ones who are being wanky and that they should move their post to the i-wank community.

Oh, and I hate to break it to you, but llama_treats is not my real name, and you are more than welcome to post fictitious shit about me if it will make you feel better.

P.S. It would really help us understand WTF your problem is if you posted a link to the "trolling" to which you're referring.

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rivier
2004-05-22 02:06 am UTC (link)
When you're a moderator here, and posting up entries about the de minimis guidelines allegedly respected by the majority of members of this community, I'll give a shit about whether you understand me or not. Until then, you can whistle.

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[info]llama_treats
2004-05-22 02:21 am UTC (link)
I do understand you (everything except the whistling bit). I just happen to think you're full of crap and/or insane.

Perhaps you'd like to accuse me of libel now? If so, please direct your internet lawyer to llama_treats, 1900 You're-A-Moron Lane, East Buttfuck, Yo Mama 12345.

(P.S. - If you want only the "moderator" to address you, send the "moderator" an e-mail, as instructed in the original post.)

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(no subject) - rivier, 2004-05-22 02:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-22 02:40 am UTC

[info]princessdot
2004-05-22 04:36 am UTC (link)
So only mods may answer now?

~sniff~

k.... I'll just be over there... in the corner.....

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[info]sorchar
2004-05-22 07:24 am UTC (link)
I'm a moderator. Does this mean I can tell you to go fuck yourself and you'll get out the dildo collection?

Just to address your original whine: A post about you being wanky, posted here, is not trolling. Trolling is when people come into your journal to harass you.

Got it?

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[info]snacky
2004-05-22 01:45 am UTC (link)
So, I can come here and systematically post entry after entry pouring a barrage of fictitious shit over each of you by name, and no-one will ask for any of these posts to be removed?

Dude. It's already been asked but I haven't seen you respond. Can you provide a link to the wank so we know what you're talking about? Or if you can't give us a link, at least a date (general is fine, like, "last March" or whatever. And the fandom, so we can go check this out?

Because if someone posted made up shit about you, then yeah, let's take a look at what happened.

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[info]mirabellawotr
2004-05-22 01:48 am UTC (link)
Okay, you know, you'd help your cause a lot more if you'd actually listen and respond to what people are writing, because right now you're wanking harder and faster than whoever posted about you possibly could have, and any credibility or sympathy you might have been able to garner are rapidly going right out the window. If you want to make a point, respond courteously to people who have responded courteously to you. If you want to make Fandom Wank feel ashamed of themselves, well, better people than you have tried and failed.

No, vendetta wanks are not trolling. Neither are they considered acceptable behavior. If you have anything else that actually addresses something I said in my comment that you'd like me to respond to, let me know.

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[info]raisedbyhyenas
2004-05-22 02:24 am UTC (link)
You don't read so good, do you.

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Honestly trying to be helpful...
[info]croik
2004-05-22 10:53 pm UTC (link)
I guess I've mis-understood the concept of trolling. It only counts if someone shits on your own doorstep. Not if they do it anywhere else online. Thank you! Much clearer now.

Actually, I think this is where the misunderstanding lies. I haven't been here as long as some so I can't speak for everyone, but what I think it comes down to is this:

Being Wanked = You say something silly online, and somone links it back here. Much pointing and laughing ensue.

Being Trolled = Someone comes to your personal journal and rags on you.

So really, the pointing and mocking goes on over here. The trolling goes on somewhere else.

If you have a problem with being wanked...well, I know a lot of people do (^^;;) but that's the point of this community entirely. We sit back and laugh at silly people, like...watching Jerry Springer (^.^). When the mods say "Don't troll" what they mean is don't follow the rednecks home and beat them over the head with raw fish (or something). We sit back, we enjoy. We [try] not to encourage/provoke.

But again, we're here because we're lazy and enjoy a laugh. It's not our job to police all of the hundreds of members--if someone does something shitty over here in the community (other than reporting wank) we can mock them into obscurity. But if someone is actually going out and trolling other journals (like that dang wank_reporter person), there's not much we can do. A lot of the time they're not even actual members anyway.

But then, like others have said, if we knew exactly what issue it was that had you so bothered, it would be easier to address...unless it's further down the comments and I haven't gotten to it yet ^^;;

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Re: Honestly trying to be helpful...
[info]ymfaery
2004-05-23 10:55 am UTC (link)
Alas, it appears the wank that caused this person to splooge all over this thread was deleted. And no one--including the "victim"--thought to save it, which is a pity.

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Re: Honestly trying to be helpful...
[info]croik
2004-05-23 05:52 pm UTC (link)
Wait, is that...Sanzo in your icon? He looks like he's cosplaying XD

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Re: Honestly trying to be helpful... - [info]ymfaery, 2004-05-24 05:40 am UTC

[info]maryavatar
2004-05-22 01:41 am UTC (link)
I remember this incident. It was more a case of someone who already had a personal grudge against rivier, and had stalked her on LJ and a message board, using f_w to attack her.

And this wasn't a random jf user, this was someone who regularly posts on f_w. I love f_w, but there are members who bend the rules and think they can get away with it because the people here are 'on their side'. When the injured party isn't a member, it's very hard for them to get a fair hearing. Someone unknown coming and posting a '********* is stalking me! She's an evil bitch, why are you siding with her' message isn't going to be taken seriously, even if they have a legitimate grievance.

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[info]snacky
2004-05-22 01:47 am UTC (link)
Okay, when was it? What was the fandom? Inquiring minds want to know (and look at the wank!). *g*

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[info]maryavatar
2004-05-22 01:52 am UTC (link)
To be honest I really really don't want to have to live through all that again. It's not my fandom, it was an awful couple of days, and the whole thing ruined the memory of what should have been a fun weekend. It involved events in rivier's and my real lives, and that alone should put it off-limits.

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[info]snacky
2004-05-22 01:58 am UTC (link)
I understand. It's just hard to know what she's talking about without the context.

And with the way she's jumping around and changing her attacks, plus wanting to stab us all with white hot pokers, well... it just would help if we could understand what the hell happened to her.

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(no subject) - [info]ashenmote, 2004-05-22 02:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]maryavatar, 2004-05-22 02:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]snacky, 2004-05-22 02:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]funkyhelix, 2004-05-22 02:17 am UTC
Ding ding! - [info]snacky, 2004-05-22 02:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ashenmote, 2004-05-22 03:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]maryavatar, 2004-05-22 02:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]snacky, 2004-05-22 02:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]raisedbyhyenas, 2004-05-22 02:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]maryavatar, 2004-05-22 02:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mirabellawotr, 2004-05-22 02:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]maryavatar, 2004-05-22 02:45 am UTC
Re: - [info]mirabellawotr, 2004-05-22 02:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]blue_linnet, 2004-05-22 04:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]maryavatar, 2004-05-22 02:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mirabellawotr, 2004-05-22 02:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ashenmote, 2004-05-22 02:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mirabellawotr, 2004-05-22 02:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ashenmote, 2004-05-22 02:52 am UTC

[info]wankprophet
2004-05-22 02:18 am UTC (link)
Okay, gotcha. I can accept that, especially coming from you. It just felt like rivier was kinda bearing down with hellfire and judgment...and not telling us what we were being judged for

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(no subject) - [info]maryavatar, 2004-05-22 02:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mirabellawotr, 2004-05-22 02:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]maryavatar, 2004-05-22 02:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mirabellawotr, 2004-05-22 02:41 am UTC
Someone mentioned porn? - [info]bubosquared, 2004-05-22 02:49 am UTC
Re: Someone mentioned porn? - [info]ashenmote, 2004-05-22 02:55 am UTC

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(no subject) - [info]bubosquared, 2004-05-22 03:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]maryavatar, 2004-05-22 03:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bubosquared, 2004-05-22 03:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]vasaris, 2004-05-23 01:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bubosquared, 2004-05-23 01:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]vasaris, 2004-05-23 02:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bubosquared, 2004-05-23 02:26 am UTC
Historical filk! - [info]pyratejenni, 2004-05-23 11:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bubosquared, 2004-05-23 11:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2004-05-24 03:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bubosquared, 2004-05-24 03:08 am UTC
Re: Someone mentioned porn? - [info]deoridhe, 2004-05-22 04:38 am UTC
Re: Someone mentioned porn? - [info]krazycat, 2004-05-22 05:21 am UTC
Re: Someone mentioned porn? - [info]rachelmap, 2004-05-22 06:22 am UTC
Re: Someone mentioned porn? - [info]maryavatar, 2004-05-22 11:55 am UTC
Re: Someone mentioned porn? - rivier, 2004-05-22 02:51 pm UTC
Good Jesus, woman! - [info]wankprophet, 2004-05-22 10:14 pm UTC
Re: Good Jesus, woman! - [info]ashenmote, 2004-05-23 12:02 am UTC
Re: Someone mentioned porn? - [info]rachelmap, 2004-05-23 08:02 am UTC
Re: Someone mentioned porn? - [info]laleli, 2004-05-22 11:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]maryavatar, 2004-05-22 02:53 am UTC
Re: - [info]mirabellawotr, 2004-05-22 02:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]maryavatar, 2004-05-22 03:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bubosquared, 2004-05-22 03:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]maryavatar, 2004-05-22 03:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jrs1980, 2004-05-22 09:59 am UTC
(no subject) - rivier, 2004-05-22 02:36 am UTC
Hitler - [info]deoridhe, 2004-05-22 04:39 am UTC
Bactine - [info]deoridhe, 2004-05-22 05:07 am UTC

[info]mirabellawotr
2004-05-22 01:53 am UTC (link)
I don't know about anyone else, but I personally don't evaluate wanks on the basis of who posted them. If I know someone well enough to know that they aren't likely to be stalking someone, no, I'm not going to lend the unknown's comment much weight. If, on the other hand, the post was about something that wasn't particularly wanky but it was clear that the person was trying their level best to whip Fandom Wank into a torch-and-pitchfork carrying mob, well, that's usually pretty obvious too, no matter who posted it.

However, at the moment I have no way of evaluating what actually went on, because despite repeated requests neither rivier nor anyone else has posted a link to this wank or even given us a topic and roundabout date, and I'm really beginning to think that's because his/her complaint won't hold up under scrutiny.

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[info]anatsuno
2004-05-22 01:55 am UTC (link)
okay, no prob-- as pointed out several times a lot of us here admit readily that in a comm this large there'll be assholes, AND even admit that we each in turn might bevahe assholishly sometimes.

you have a point, i'm sure, about solidarity and the hardship of getting a fair hearing-- we're not always fair, surely. but! we've also asked repeatedly in this thread for a link and never been given it, and i have to agree with mirabella here. i tried to be courteous and explanatory, running the risk of upsetting the hive vagina omg (kidding of course oh my god i shouldn't feel the need to subtitle this) and all i got in response is more muddy inflammatory comments.

it's not helping make rivier's case, is all i'm saying.

that and my naptime really has come, now.

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[info]snacky
2004-05-22 02:00 am UTC (link)
::hugs::

Nighty night, ana!

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[info]anatsuno
2004-05-22 11:58 am UTC (link)
*clings* omg the wank, the wank! what an idiot. that'll teach me to try and be nice'n'fair, dude. *puts bitch shoes on*

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[info]maryavatar
2004-05-22 02:01 am UTC (link)
Actually, we're both wading through the archive trying to find it. So far, no joy. That thing is frikkin' huge

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[info]snacky
2004-05-22 02:09 am UTC (link)
Which kinda explains why no one remembers it, huh? I mean, 1,600+ members, sometimes up to 10 wanks daily... who has time to read them all?

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rivier
2004-05-22 02:16 am UTC (link)
Well, whaddya know! it's been deleted.

This was the link -

http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/136917.html

I have no idea when it was taken down - not for a good few months after the post was made, I'm pretty sure. The whole thing made me indescribably angry and I have no particular desire to resurrect it for the gratification / entertainment of a community whose only habitual means of discussion is to jeer feebly.

However, for the insatiably nosy amongst the community, I'm sure one of the moderators keeps archives. Perhaps they might oblige?

What I know at the time was that a few people commented mildly that it looked more like a personal vendetta than a genuine 'wank' by the terms of this place. But none of them gave enough of a shit to actually suggest it should be censored. I have no reason to think that, if any of the people hacking into me here saw the whole post again, they'd be any more likely to behave with any more concern.

But even if they did, so what? The fact stands: HnK's #7 is pure bullshit.

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(no subject) - [info]glomobius, 2004-05-22 02:24 am UTC
*yawn* - (Anonymous), 2004-05-22 02:30 am UTC
Why, hello there suspicious-anonimouse! - [info]nabiki_gmyw, 2004-05-22 02:48 am UTC
Re: Why, hello there suspicious-anonimouse! - [info]yankthewank, 2004-05-22 03:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]redpanda, 2004-05-22 05:51 am UTC
Hmm.... - [info]nabiki_gmyw, 2004-05-22 02:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]msilverstar, 2004-05-22 03:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]shinigami_co, 2004-05-22 03:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bubosquared, 2004-05-22 04:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-05-23 11:53 pm UTC
Re: - [info]shinigami_co, 2004-05-24 06:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sagralisse, 2004-05-22 04:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]deoridhe, 2004-05-22 05:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sagralisse, 2004-05-22 05:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]snacky, 2004-05-22 05:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sagralisse, 2004-05-22 05:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]snacky, 2004-05-22 05:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sagralisse, 2004-05-22 05:43 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]nevadafighter, 2004-05-22 09:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]diamonde, 2004-05-22 04:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]croik, 2004-05-22 11:16 pm UTC

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