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Saywhatnow? (Anonymous) 2004-05-24 11:24 pm UTC (link)

I've said this before, and I'll say it again: Only drawing what you're sexually or aesthetically attracted to is idiotic and lazy. *boggle* Someone better relay this newsflash to Leonardo. And Michelangelo. And Botticelli. And Picasso and Pollock and Rembrandt and Vermeer. And anyone on the planet who's ever picked up a pencil or paintbrush in their lifetime. Do I have permission to use that "Bitch, Please" phrase? --osl (Reply to this)(Thread)

	Re: Saywhatnow? restlesshands 2004-05-24 11:38 pm UTC (link)
	...So the point of art is...then...what? Transcribing the world onto paper for future generations who wont know what it used to look like? My god, I need to stop drawing attractive people and draw only mentally deficient, over-weight hicks! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

Re: Saywhatnow? - (Anonymous), 2004-05-24 11:47 pm UTC

Re: Saywhatnow? - restlesshands, 2004-05-24 11:58 pm UTC

Re: Saywhatnow? - plazmah, 2004-05-25 12:20 am UTC

Re: Saywhatnow? - restlesshands, 2004-05-25 12:40 am UTC

Re: Saywhatnow? - plazmah, 2004-05-25 12:58 am UTC

Re: Saywhatnow? - (Anonymous), 2004-05-25 12:24 am UTC

Re: Saywhatnow? - tiasian, 2004-05-25 01:30 am UTC

Re: Saywhatnow? - restlesshands, 2004-05-25 01:43 am UTC

Re: Saywhatnow? - tiasian, 2004-05-25 02:32 am UTC

Re: Saywhatnow? - electricchick, 2004-05-25 03:44 am UTC

	Re: Saywhatnow? tekenduis 2004-05-25 03:18 am UTC (link)
	I've said this before, and I'll say it again: Only drawing what you're sexually or aesthetically attracted to is idiotic and lazy. Right. You should also be drawing what I'm sexually or aesthetically attracted to. Duh. *headdesk* (Reply to this)(Parent)

restlesshands 2004-05-24 11:35 pm UTC (link)

Things I have learned from this wank: - There's no such thing as artistic lisence. - Anything but absolute photo-realism is hideous trash. - The sole judge of all things aesthetic resides somewhere in the mid-west. Possibly Texas. - Somewhere out there, there is a sad, angry little man who should probably take down the link to his gallery of cartoony fantasy characters before he opens his overly opinionated. Because right now he's looking a weeeeee bit stupid. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to get back to work. Somebody has to hunt down those willowy, girly looking men and shave their bodies bald so that they can be used as models. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2004-05-24 11:52 pm UTC (link)
	Anything but absolute photo-realism is hideous trash. Yes. That's why manips those beautiful sketches of Crystal's are so highly valued. :) Does the OP realize that being hairless is just the style for anime guys? Seriously, if you did draw it on, it would just look, well, pastede on yay. -- Azzie (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

(no subject) - restlesshands, 2004-05-25 12:00 am UTC

Sadly, the icon means me in this case... - restlesshands, 2004-05-25 12:08 am UTC

	rewind 2004-05-24 11:50 pm UTC (link)
	Ok, this cracks me up. This person is ranting about lack of body hair in anime style art and yet they have all Teen Titans icons. Talk about lack of body hair. Among other things... (Reply to this)(Thread)

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(no subject) - nolifeking, 2004-05-25 03:52 am UTC

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Re: Kindly fuck-off and die you ignorant twat - nolifeking, 2004-05-25 04:05 am UTC

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What, won't you even retype the bad words for me? :( - nolifeking, 2004-05-25 04:29 am UTC

Re: What, won't you even retype the bad words for me? :( - singe, 2004-05-25 05:02 am UTC

Re: What, won't you even retype the bad words for me? :( - gjeanz, 2004-05-25 07:16 am UTC

Rage, preserved like a fly in amber... - nolifeking, 2004-05-25 12:39 pm UTC

Danke! - singe, 2004-05-25 02:46 pm UTC

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mirabellawotr 2004-05-24 11:51 pm UTC (link)

Yeah, and the Birth of Venus is stupid. It's well painted and all that, but it's boring and trite, and the subject matter's basically a waste of time. It's good talent flushed down the drain. You. Fucking. Retarded. Illiterate. Ignorant. Short-sighted. Self-absorbed. Uncultured. Classless. Limp-dicked. Little. WORM. If I ever get my hands on you, you disgustingly pompous little fuckwit, I am going to tie you to a chair and cut off your eyelids, and then we're going to have a little show. It's going to be a slide show, entitled "All the ways in which Botticelli is a genius and you are a fucking retarded little chimpanzee not even fit for the kind of animal research where they cut your throat open and stick a cigarette in your trachea." Now, this will take a while, especially the latter part; and because I am not a cruel woman, I will feed you. Specifically, I am going to feed you, snip by snip, a copy of the Birth of Venus in oil on canvas, and then I am going to print out your appallingly snide comment and feed you that until, yes, have you see Seven? Good, that'll make our work here a bit easier. And I won't expect you to feed yourself, either, seeing as how you'll be tied to the chair, and I expect feeding yourself would be a bit difficult anyway seeing as how I will have CUT OFF ALL YOUR FUCKING FINGERS YOU SNOT-NOSED LITTLE FANBOY. Then when we're done I will - being, as I said, merciful - pass you off to a Home for the Intractably Moronic, where large nurses named Bertha will delight in giving you a Castrol enema at least three times a day, the residents compete daily to see who can find the most maggots in their food, and wresting the bedpan away from the WWII veterans is a blood sport. You will be able to buy your way out if and only if you can replicate the Birth of Venus down to the last detail, in oil on canvas, holding the paintbrush between your teeth because you will have NO FINGERS. And eventually I want you to DIE, but not for a good long time, because I want you to live for years and years with no fingers and no eyelids, surrounded by abortive attempts to copy Botticelli, with a 90-year-old incontinent roommate who regularly mistakes you for Kaiser Wilhelm and beats you bloody with the chamber pot. And you know what, you little whoreson? THAT WILL STILL BE TOO FUCKING GOOD FOR YOU. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	restlesshands 2004-05-25 12:02 am UTC (link)
	And eventually I want you to DIE, but not for a good long time, because I want you to live for years and years with no fingers and no eyelids, surrounded by abortive attempts to copy Botticelli, with a 90-year-old incontinent roommate who regularly mistakes you for Kaiser Wilhelm and beats you bloody with the chamber pot. ...Now I dead from funny. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	yadda 2004-05-25 12:03 am UTC (link)
	Deep, cleansing breaths. Up from your diaphragm. Nice and slow now. Good. Quick, someone go get the emergency barbiturates! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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GIP time... - terminal_frost, 2004-05-25 07:01 am UTC

FW Fairytales!!! - nabiki_gmyw, 2004-05-25 01:09 am UTC

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squee! - chaimonkey, 2004-05-25 02:11 am UTC

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You. Are. Fucking. Wonderful - wankprophet, 2004-05-25 08:48 am UTC

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	shoiryu 2004-05-25 12:10 am UTC (link)
	This guy honestly never stops. I also love his reply to the person who said something like, "Don't rant about stupid things". "I DONT RANT 4 U!1111!~!!!!!!!!!11!!!" (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	sunhawk 2004-05-25 12:17 am UTC (link)
	oh joy! I love when people don't what the point of bishounen drawings are, tries to rant about it and then tries to claim they weren't talking about bishounen at all! 10 points for running in such a lovely circle! (Reply to this)

	Beatprogeny deoridhe 2004-05-25 12:37 am UTC (link)
	Is it just me, or is he always hip deep in the wank every time we go to Elfwood? (Reply to this)

Man. tiasian 2004-05-25 01:35 am UTC (link)

I remember seeing that other post in i_wank. Is there even a non-wanky way to post a complaint about the deluge of bishounen? ... and for the record? I can't wait for the pendulum of cultural standards of attractiveness to swing the hell away from slim and pretty. So severely tired of the prettyboys. ... yeah, no worries. I'll clean up after myself - I'm conscientious like that. (Reply to this)(Thread)

Re: Man. - restlesshands, 2004-05-25 01:40 am UTC

Re: Man. - tiasian, 2004-05-25 01:58 am UTC

Re: Man. - restlesshands, 2004-05-25 02:15 am UTC

Re: Man. - iczer6, 2004-05-25 02:53 am UTC

Re: Man. - khym_chanur, 2004-05-25 05:30 am UTC

Re: Man. - bitca, 2004-05-25 08:02 pm UTC

Re: Man. - pradaloz, 2004-05-25 03:08 am UTC

Re: Man. - nolifeking, 2004-05-25 03:23 am UTC

Re: Man. - (Anonymous), 2004-05-25 05:13 am UTC

Re: Man. - teratologist, 2004-05-28 02:20 am UTC

Well damn. - virago, 2004-05-25 06:44 am UTC

Re: Well damn. - tiasian, 2004-05-25 11:28 am UTC

Re: Well damn. - tiasian, 2004-05-25 02:51 pm UTC

	kicklecubicle 2004-05-25 01:37 am UTC (link)
	Before I read this smeghead's opinion on art, I used to wonder whatever was the point of "ART 103-101: Art Appreciation". I mean, silly me, I thought that people just had an inherited appreciation for art, being that it's art for bloody crap's sake. To this little wanker, I must say..."get thee to an 8th grade art class!" (Reply to this)

	soraphilia 2004-05-25 01:42 am UTC (link)
	This comment is the best. *hearts* Personally, I think someone not having any body hair is nowhere near as unrealistic as having eyes that cover 25% of their face. Wonder if he has any anime rants about that. (Reply to this)(Thread)

(no subject) - coyotegirl, 2004-05-25 08:26 am UTC

	*jumps into the splooge-fest* chaimonkey 2004-05-25 02:06 am UTC (link)
	This person's an idiot. See: 1. His icons 2. It's fanquarter - they're generally using someone else's style. Anime rarely ev-ar has body hair. 3. OMG, naked mole-rat! 4. See Botticelli rant (pwn3d!) 5. He's just jealous of all the pretty-men 'cause he's all hairy and yuck XP (Reply to this)

	gal_montag 2004-05-25 02:54 am UTC (link)
	Japanese men are not known for their hairiness and unless the anime in question is for adults, Japanese censors don't allow pubic hair or nipples on the male (or pubic hair on the female) characters. The people who draw that way just draw what they're used to seeing (read: emulating other artists). So like, get over it. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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	croik 2004-05-25 03:32 am UTC (link)
	Sanji has body hair! Sanji has body hair!!! It's his pants that are the problem XD (Reply to this)

	favyan 2004-05-25 04:18 am UTC (link)
	Beauty is in reality, not any dumbass preconceived set of characteristics. It all comes down to laziness or pretention. Given what we already know of this guy's opinions on fine art (IE, the Botticelli rant), why do I have a feeling he'd have no qualms with going up to Picasso and telling him, "It's a good rough sketch, but it needs more curves!" (Reply to this)

	red_eft 2004-05-25 06:45 am UTC (link)
	Ah, god. Every time this guy opens his mouth I just want to shout *shut up shut up shut up*. But, you know, he's not ranting for *me*, so he doesn't care if others think he's a wanker. (Reply to this)

terminal_frost 2004-05-25 09:37 am UTC (link)

Beatprogeny in a nutshell: "This art sucks, and I'm going to rant about it here in this nice little forum that has the nice effect of magnifying my back-hand stroke voice so that all may hear me tell you that you suck, your art sucks, and how you can go about improving it to my own higher standards of quality and thus ensure my silence for the next thirty days, in which a bug will climb into my ass, thus triggering yet another Beatprogeny™ rant rant for all to love and despair enjoy." I'm beginning to see the irony in his choice of LJ name... (Reply to this)

(Anonymous) 2004-05-25 01:01 pm UTC (link)

xlagartixax: I want to see a link to your gallery of hairy men. =) beatprogeny: Now that I look at it, I realize that the few humans I have in there wear a lot of clothes. Hrm. However, the few humans that DO have bear arms and legs...(etc) Anyone else find it a little too appropriate that, thanks to a minor spelling error, what beatprogeny has actually said here is "a few of my otherwise human characters have the arms and legs of a large, hairy mammal"? (Reply to this)

	phosfate 2004-05-26 12:24 am UTC (link)
	Wait...person whose LJ info includes the Teen Titans theme lyrics and TT icons is ranting about realistic depiction of males in anime art? 'Kay. (Reply to this)

(Anonymous) 2004-05-26 02:23 am UTC (link)

Update: Beatprogeny claims to be leaving Elfwood Rant for...ev...er. I really should get a JournalFen account. Anyway, his farewell speech: "So, rather than kill my fingers and waste all my free time with a bunch of pissed-off artists, here are a few quick hits: 1) This rant was not directed at any one in specific, but rather a large number of incredibly annoying things I've seen in FanQuarter, so stop taking everything so seriously. Or personally. Shit, you'd think I shot all your grandmothers or something. 2) Yes, it IS a genuine rant. This annoys the shit on me, and frankly, I don't have enough time in my days to go around stirring shitstorms just because I feel like it. I just thought I'd come here and whine about things I don't like, thinking that people would grow up around here. I was wrong. 3) I had at least three people between my last "true" rant and this one that I should never stop posting, that what I had to say was every bit as valid as what anyone else had to say. Apparently they were wrong, and I'm only allowed to complain about the same things as everyone else. I mean come on, people, the fact that I don't like stuff that you do doesn't give you the right to tear me apart. 4) I realize there are holes in my arguments. I'm not perfect, and neither is anyone else on the planet. I'm twenty years old, and I haven't exactly had time to solidify my "artistic theories," especially since it's not something I'm all that enthusiastic about. Art, I mean." [Then why...argh. No. No comment. Continuing] "5) I realize that this post makes me look hypocritical, and I'm okay with that. I'm working towards what I have been talking about in this post as what an artist's goals should be. I'm working towards making my figure drawing more comprehensive, I'm trying to learn backgrounds, and I'm trying to learn other media, those experiments just haven't been posted yet, because they look like shit. This brings us to... 6) I don't know who it was who went trolling through my galleries, leaving snarky comments on just about every other picture, and I don't care. But they will be deleted. This LiveJournal Community is self-contained, and I will not have anything as idiotic as this spill over and touch my galleries, or my Journal, or anything else. I've never attacked, nor even contacted any of you outside of this community, and I expect the same courtesy. 7) My idiotic post last week or whenever it was: I was not "complaining" that it was quiet around here, or "looking to be confrontational." I was bored, it was like...seven a.m., I had just gotten home from work, and my judgment was impaired. It was harmless and stupid, so I'd appreciate it if you people would just get off my fucking back over it. I'll delete it if you want me to. 8) Jumping slightly back to the hypocrisy issue: The newest drawings on any of my galleries are somewhere around two years old. Sure, I posted some of 'em more recently, but the newest ones are still around two years old. I've gotten a little better about the tenets I've been espousing on this thread, and I'm working on it. Regardless, it's unfair to attack someone because they're not yet able to live up to their own beliefs. I aspire to be better than I am, so I'm working towards it. Again, get off my goddamn back. 9) I won't be posting here again. I've seen more than enough people complaining about my supposed "bullshit" to know I'm not wanted here. Hell, I felt like that a month ago, but a few people told me not to pay attention to it, and to stick around. I won't be making that mistake again. I won't be posting in this thread or this community again. Go about your business, the bad man's gone home." And the entire community rejoices. Are we supposed to feel bad for him now? (Reply to this)(Thread)

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