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Dan Fogelberg's ([info]llama_treats) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-05-27 19:11:00
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Current mood:high

Literature means never having to say you're a wanker
In the literarycrushes community, shadowyfigure asks the inane question, "Does literary mean from books?"

A mini-wank ensues:

I shall take Philip K Dick's name in vain! Huzzah!

Slash is wrong and I am condescending!

Literary smackdown

Short 'n sweet. Enjoy!

ETA: Sorry guys! It's been deleted! *weeps for lack of literary merit*


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smirnoffmule
2004-05-28 02:33 am UTC (link)
Mmm, that was invigorating wank. A short, sharp shock to the system. Now I can start the day refreshed and with semi-amused superior moral outrage. Way better than coffee or cocaine.

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[info]crickets
2004-05-28 06:54 am UTC (link)
::amused by the Pink Floyd ref::

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(Anonymous)
2004-05-28 09:18 am UTC (link)
*Chuckle* I love the generic "Monster-Hunter Hat". It's so cross-venue!

Wasn't there someone wearing that in Monster Squad? (If anyone else remembers that terrible flick.)

/end icon-love

~Fangboy (The Anon Who Isn't)

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[info]criticalcricket
2004-05-28 02:42 am UTC (link)
What part of "Literary = Books" is so hard to understand? Of course there's no winning there when they start steering the conversation to "What is art?" There's a disaster waiting to happen.

And don't even get me started on the snide slash comments.

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smirnoffmule
2004-05-28 02:46 am UTC (link)
I guess what I was trying to say is that literature seems to have become which more popular because of slash.

Look, slashers, we're bringing people to literature! We're teaching the people of the world to read!

People are basically using it for the same reason people read Romance novels, and I Romance novels are not of literary merit and so I imagine wouldn't be allowed in this community.


Romance novels like say, Jane Eyre or Pride and Prejudice, or Little Women? Because, oh, the horror and irrationality of the Jane/Rochester shippers.

Anyone else get the impression this special lady doesn't quite know what slash is?

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The slash primer
[info]llama_treats
2004-05-28 02:50 am UTC (link)
See Dick.

See Dick's dick.

See John bend Dick over a desk.

Thrust, John, thrust!

You'd better clean that up, Dick.

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Re: The slash primer - [info]khym_chanur, 2004-05-28 03:04 am UTC
Re: The slash primer - smirnoffmule, 2004-05-28 03:10 am UTC
Re: The slash primer - [info]littlest_lurker, 2004-05-28 04:20 am UTC
Icon - [info]xturtle, 2004-05-28 04:24 am UTC
Re: The slash primer - [info]eris, 2004-05-28 06:35 am UTC
ICON: "Hellfires of Destruction" - [info]khym_chanur, 2004-05-28 08:58 am UTC
Re: ICON: "Hellfires of Destruction" - [info]eris, 2004-05-28 10:01 am UTC
Re: ICON: "Hellfires of Destruction" - [info]khym_chanur, 2004-05-28 10:06 am UTC
Re: The slash primer - [info]alpheratz, 2004-05-28 06:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dawnswalker, 2004-05-28 02:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]gaisce, 2004-05-28 03:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dawnswalker, 2004-05-28 04:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]skarrow, 2004-05-28 04:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]alpheratz, 2004-05-28 06:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]coyotegirl, 2004-05-28 06:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]alpheratz, 2004-05-28 06:49 am UTC
Re: - [info]coyotegirl, 2004-05-28 08:10 am UTC
Austen slash - (Anonymous), 2004-05-28 12:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kannaophelia, 2004-05-28 04:55 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]plazmah, 2004-05-28 04:59 am UTC
Re: - [info]kannaophelia, 2004-05-28 05:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]plazmah, 2004-05-28 05:44 am UTC

meshou
2004-05-28 02:49 am UTC (link)
First she criticizes them for leaving non-literary characters out, then for including characters from books she did not like?

She makes me want to make Electric Sheep slash, just for her.

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(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-28 02:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]melange, 2004-05-28 03:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pokecheck, 2004-05-28 04:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-28 04:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pokecheck, 2004-05-28 04:55 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]plazmah, 2004-05-28 05:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pokecheck, 2004-05-28 05:11 am UTC
ICON! - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-28 04:53 am UTC
Re: ICON! - [info]zorronuevecolas, 2004-05-28 06:04 am UTC
Re: ICON! - [info]crickets, 2004-05-28 06:56 am UTC
Re: ICON! - [info]pokecheck, 2004-05-28 11:56 am UTC

[info]gal_montag
2004-05-28 02:54 am UTC (link)
People are basically using it for the same reason people read Romance novels, and I Romance novels are not of literary merit and so I imagine wouldn't be allowed in this community.

Because (and say it with me now) romance novels are not books. And aparently literary=books is too complicated a thing to understand.

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(no subject) - [info]kannaophelia, 2004-05-28 04:53 am UTC
Re: - [info]gal_montag, 2004-05-28 06:27 am UTC

[info]flax
2004-05-28 02:54 am UTC (link)
It's like Troll's First Babywank! Socute, and tries so hard, but no one really cares.

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[info]pokecheck
2004-05-28 03:04 am UTC (link)
Uh.

I'm all for asking a community to clarify their community-ness. But to then challenge the bejesush out of it? Yeah, that'll make the cool kids invite you to their special tree.

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[info]munchkinott
2004-05-28 03:06 am UTC (link)
*flashes icon*

Internet Mercerism has arrived! Oh great.

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[info]altoidsaddict
2004-05-28 03:08 am UTC (link)
Ick. OK, Fanfic can be creative and literary. Wide Sargasso Sea, which I hated, is nonetheless an actual creative endeavor. Scarlett, which everyone hated. The Wind Done Gone had to prove in court that it was creative and not just plagiarism. The Eyre Affair and Lost in a Good Book. Literature does not spring Athena-like from the head of the author.

Meanwhile, there are memoirists running wild out there, presumed to be "literary" and "creative" because their words have fancy book jackets. Just because you have a book published, or even three, and appear on college campuses, and posed nekkid on the cover of your second memoir, and just because your author tour for your third memoir was all about how fascinating you are because you wrote Prozac Nation (which, incicentally, is what your second book was about too)... none of that means squat if you can't write and have the intelligence and expression of a gnat.

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A digression - smirnoffmule, 2004-05-28 03:16 am UTC
Re: A digression - [info]altoidsaddict, 2004-05-28 04:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]charmian, 2004-05-28 03:17 am UTC
Re: - [info]altoidsaddict, 2004-05-28 05:05 am UTC
Re: vague blasphemy - [info]charmian, 2004-05-28 08:19 am UTC
Re: vague blasphemy - [info]altoidsaddict, 2004-05-28 10:53 am UTC
Re: vague blasphemy - [info]msmanna, 2004-05-28 04:01 pm UTC
Re: vague blasphemy - [info]charmian, 2004-05-29 02:01 am UTC

[info]selene_avis
2004-05-28 03:23 am UTC (link)
I have come to the conclusion that I hate literary critics. Every other person on the 'net thinks that they are fricken Harold Bloom, and this story isn't worth reading because they didn't like it, and this story isn't real, and this character's a mary-sue, and if a book is intertaining then it isn't real literature, and on and on.

< / endwank >

Er...sorry about that. I'll clean up my own spooge. Oh, and no offense meant to Mister Bloom.

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(no subject) - smirnoffmule, 2004-05-28 03:32 am UTC
Re: - [info]selene_avis, 2004-05-28 04:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmikhailovic, 2004-05-28 05:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mireille, 2004-05-28 05:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nevadafighter, 2004-05-28 05:55 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mireille, 2004-05-28 06:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nevadafighter, 2004-05-28 06:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]selene_avis, 2004-05-28 06:04 pm UTC
Re: - [info]selene_avis, 2004-05-28 07:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2004-05-28 09:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]amakath, 2004-05-28 09:33 am UTC

[info]sunhawk
2004-05-28 03:46 am UTC (link)
i could swear a point was trying to be made by this shadowyfigure, but for the life in me i can't find enough coherent sentences or logic to fill a thimble! @_@ WHY DO PEOPLE HAVE ARGUEMENTS WHEN THEY OBVIOUSLY KNOW DICK-ALL?? >_<

oh i'm real hurt that someone who doesn't know what literary means is telling me slash is bad *chortle*
Here's my crushed face.
O_o
Note it's absence.

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(no subject) - [info]littlest_lurker, 2004-05-28 04:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sunhawk, 2004-05-28 07:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]darthtall, 2004-05-28 10:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sunhawk, 2004-05-29 09:12 am UTC

[info]gaisce
2004-05-28 03:51 am UTC (link)
Slash is the dark merit of literature and unimaginative. Uh...huh. *goes back to reading The Iliad for no real reason*

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(no subject) - [info]zorronuevecolas, 2004-05-28 06:10 am UTC

[info]zarla
2004-05-28 04:02 am UTC (link)
The reason no one has heard of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? is because it movie is Blade Runner.

I'm ironically hearing a robot reading that and giggling.

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(no subject) - [info]crickets, 2004-05-28 04:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]melange, 2004-05-28 04:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zarla, 2004-05-28 04:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-28 05:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]melange, 2004-05-28 05:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zorronuevecolas, 2004-05-28 06:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]panthea, 2004-05-28 07:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]amakath, 2004-05-28 09:40 am UTC
(no subject) - allen, 2004-05-28 10:13 am UTC

[info]yadda
2004-05-28 04:40 am UTC (link)
I really hope shadowyfigure creates a community for character crushes from all artist forms. But, only characters from works he personally considers worthy.

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[info]pokecheck
2004-05-28 04:50 am UTC (link)
Does this count as an admission of some species of trolling? As in, getting one's rocks off by posting in a community just to rile up the natives?

(I may be an English teacher when I is all-growed-up. I cries a sad cry.)

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(no subject) - [info]panthea, 2004-05-28 05:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-28 05:20 am UTC

[info]littlest_lurker
2004-05-28 04:59 am UTC (link)
But literary is not all books!

Does anyone else find it amusing that the person lecturing us about what constitiutes "literature" (hint: all books) writes like a partially retarded spider monkey?

After being called on her writing abilty:

I'm really hurt. Like I haven't been attacked on that before. F. Scott Fitzgerlad was a terrible speller. They're called editors.

Oh bitch, I did not just see that. You did not just compare yourself to F. Scott Fitzgerald.

And all the clever editors in the world will not prevent you from sounding like a moron.

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(no subject) - [info]yadda, 2004-05-28 05:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zorronuevecolas, 2004-05-28 06:19 am UTC
(no subject) - rachelthedemon, 2004-05-28 07:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]morganya, 2004-05-28 07:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2004-05-29 12:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]valarltd, 2004-06-03 05:27 am UTC

[info]adinaj69
2004-05-28 05:07 am UTC (link)
But literary is not all books! And slash is not literature! Literature is Imaginative or creative writing, especially of recognized artistic value: “Literature must be an analysis of experience and a synthesis of the findings into a unity” (Rebecca West)

I like how she went over to dictionary.com, saw that quote and in some sort of lame use of logic, completely ignored the entire definition of literature after seeing it. Ah, tunnel vision when losing an argument.

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(no subject) - allen, 2004-05-28 10:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]adinaj69, 2004-05-28 10:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]selene_avis, 2004-05-28 06:44 pm UTC
Re: - [info]adinaj69, 2004-05-28 09:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2004-05-28 10:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smit, 2004-05-28 10:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2004-05-28 10:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smit, 2004-05-28 10:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2004-05-28 10:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smit, 2004-05-28 10:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2004-05-28 10:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smit, 2004-05-28 10:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2004-05-28 10:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smit, 2004-05-28 10:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2004-05-28 10:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smit, 2004-05-28 10:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2004-05-28 10:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smit, 2004-05-28 10:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2004-05-28 10:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smit, 2004-05-28 10:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]carbucketty, 2004-05-28 10:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]adinaj69, 2004-05-28 10:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2004-05-28 10:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]adinaj69, 2004-05-28 10:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-05-28 10:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2004-05-29 05:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smit, 2004-05-28 11:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2004-05-29 05:11 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2004-05-29 05:16 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2004-05-29 05:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smit, 2004-05-29 05:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2004-05-29 05:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smit, 2004-05-29 05:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2004-05-29 05:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smit, 2004-05-29 05:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-05-29 08:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]shoiryu, 2004-05-29 05:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2004-05-29 05:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]shoiryu, 2004-05-29 05:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2004-05-29 05:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smit, 2004-05-29 05:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]shoiryu, 2004-05-29 05:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smit, 2004-05-29 05:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]shoiryu, 2004-05-29 05:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smit, 2004-05-29 05:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]adinaj69, 2004-05-29 10:08 am UTC
*Giggles*
[info]nabiki_gmyw
2004-05-28 05:31 am UTC (link)
Shadowy: Thanks. I'm pretty proud of the mess myself. I was just waiting to get banned! I guess I miss English class...I challenged that place everyday.

*snicker*

Wanna bet that teacher wanted to choke this little nitwit everyday?

Teacher: Must...not...kill...student...I...can't! Hand...moving...by ITSELF! ARG!....MUST...RESIST...THE DARK SIDE... bitch... walk...out... classroom....urge.... to... kill.... winding...down...

But only until the next day! BWHAHHAHA!

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Re: *Giggles* - [info]xeno4eyes, 2004-05-28 06:06 am UTC
Re: *Giggles* - [info]alpheratz, 2004-05-28 07:00 am UTC
Re: *Giggles* - [info]ashenmote, 2004-05-28 06:44 pm UTC
Re: *Giggles* - [info]panthea, 2004-05-28 07:55 am UTC
Re: *Giggles* - [info]beccastareyes, 2004-05-28 09:41 am UTC
Re: *Giggles* - [info]panthea, 2004-05-29 05:18 am UTC
Re: *Giggles* - [info]kannaophelia, 2004-05-28 07:27 pm UTC
Re: *Giggles* - [info]apoplexia, 2004-05-28 10:41 am UTC

[info]nevadafighter
2004-05-28 06:00 am UTC (link)
Because I'm so unutterably lazy, would someone PLEASE tell shadowyfigure that "literary merit" is not something that can be measured and quantified and doled out like food stamps? Literary merit is entirely subjective, based upon learned commentary and discussion over what constitutes quality. Personally I think Sylvia Plath and Gertrude Stein cranked out absolute crap and don't understand why anyone would like their work, but that's my own opinion. They're still anthologized and studied in college classes despite my personal loathing.

Your opinion does NOT determine "merit," shadowyfigure. You're not that fucking important.

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(no subject) - [info]gal_montag, 2004-05-28 06:32 am UTC

[info]restlesshands
2004-05-28 06:34 am UTC (link)
Awww, the thread got deeeeeeleted. I guess the mods couldn't take the absolutely soul-sucking stupidity of shadowyfigure.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-28 06:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]wickedcherub, 2004-05-28 09:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]restlesshands, 2004-05-28 10:11 pm UTC

[info]panthea
2004-05-28 07:59 am UTC (link)
She keeps using that word "slash". I do not think it means what she thinks it means.

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(no subject) - [info]wickedcherub, 2004-05-28 09:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mouseybrown, 2004-05-28 04:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-05-28 10:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]epanssureves, 2004-05-29 12:08 am UTC
Re: - [info]mouseybrown, 2004-05-30 03:55 pm UTC
Not that it matters at this point
(Anonymous)
2004-05-28 09:32 am UTC (link)
but 'big' chain bookstores such as Borders have a 'literature' section and do not put romance novels, sci fi books, or popular fiction in with these sacred tomes.

Too bad, I missed reading the wank before it was posted.

--Agony

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Re: Not that it matters at this point - [info]heyoka, 2004-05-28 11:21 am UTC
Re: Not that it matters at this point - [info]melange, 2004-05-28 02:30 pm UTC
Re: Not that it matters at this point - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-28 04:30 pm UTC
Re: Not that it matters at this point - [info]marginalsanity, 2004-05-28 04:53 pm UTC
Re: Not that it matters at this point - [info]teratologist, 2004-05-28 09:45 pm UTC
Re: Not that it matters at this point - (Anonymous), 2004-05-28 06:54 pm UTC
Re: Not that it matters at this point - [info]kannaophelia, 2004-05-28 07:34 pm UTC
Re: Not that it matters at this point - [info]zozma, 2004-05-29 01:16 am UTC
Re: Not that it matters at this point - [info]oysteria, 2004-05-28 08:48 pm UTC
Re: Not that it matters at this point - [info]agony, 2004-05-29 08:25 am UTC
Re: Not that it matters at this point - [info]oysteria, 2004-05-29 08:42 am UTC
Re: Not that it matters at this point - [info]agony, 2004-05-29 01:59 pm UTC
Re: Not that it matters at this point - meshou, 2004-05-30 02:45 am UTC

  
   
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