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Dan Fogelberg's ([info]llama_treats) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-05-29 09:44:00
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Qanonreip is in the eye of the beholder, or something.
In hpart, artimusdin posts Snape/Harry artwork (it's rated PG at worst, don't worry).

People make the usual "I lurve it!!oneBBQ11!" comments, until:

Saeva nitpicks a couple of things, like Harry's brown hair and Snape's "Asian" features.

Bring on the wank:

Constructive criticism means "only saying nice things"

Please disguise your criticism by sticking it at the end of a very long list of nice comments

You do realize that a professor would say worse things at art school, right?

Saeva then comments about it in her own journal and at hp_essays.

Artwank. Gotta love it.

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[info]zarla
2004-05-29 05:23 pm UTC (link)
"You know, the fact that you don't realize how you were rude or inappropriate is exactly the problem."

People being rude on the internet? MY GOD WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO

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[info]darkvalkyrie
2004-05-31 09:10 pm UTC (link)
It's not all gumdrops and squirrels!? SAY IT AIN'T SO!

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[info]yadda
2004-05-29 05:33 pm UTC (link)
I'm all for con-crit, but... his glasses were from the wrong year?

Reposted because I mixed up where and were again. Oh, my ignominy!

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[info]restlesshands
2004-05-29 05:39 pm UTC (link)
God, I'm glad I don't do HP fan art - I'd NEVER get his glasses right.

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(no subject) - [info]littlest_lurker, 2004-05-30 01:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]restlesshands, 2004-05-30 02:27 am UTC

[info]littlebitca
2004-05-31 01:19 am UTC (link)
"his glasses were from the wrong year?"

Yeah. Right. Like the Dursley's would buy Harry trendy frames.

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[info]the_gentleman
2004-05-29 05:42 pm UTC (link)
Saeva has been slowly increasing her irritability factor over the past week, and I don't think she's in any hurry to give up now.

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(Anonymous)
2004-05-29 05:44 pm UTC (link)
Past week? I thought it was more like the past year or so. This person is one huge cockleburr under the saddle of fandom.

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(no subject) - [info]the_gentleman, 2004-05-29 05:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nevadafighter, 2004-05-29 10:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]darkvalkyrie, 2004-05-31 10:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nevadafighter, 2004-06-01 04:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]fiatincantatum, 2004-05-30 05:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sesana, 2004-05-30 06:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]the_gentleman, 2004-05-30 02:31 pm UTC
*sigh* - [info]ruaha56, 2004-05-30 08:04 pm UTC
Re: - [info]sesana, 2004-05-31 05:16 am UTC

[info]restlesshands
2004-05-29 05:47 pm UTC (link)
I like how the snarky reviewer nit-picks on the stupidest shit, like not conforming in EVERY DETAIL to canon and then fails to con-crit important things, like, you know - body structure and such. Because, damn, there ARE some issues with that picture as far as that goes - not big ones, but worth commenting on. However, the alleged asian-ness of Snape is definitely not worth commenting on.

"His eyes look Asian!"

...That's nice. Now, quick, put the little mouse on the wheel so that gears in your brain turn and finish up that thought. And the logical conclusion is...perhaps his eyes are a little bit too small. Which could be said in a nice, non-wanky manner and then everyone would be happy.

And, for the record, on the hair-wank - two characters with the exact same color hair in a picture tends to look weird, so lightening Harry's hair is not exactly a horrible sin beyond all measure.

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"word", as they say - [info]nolifeking, 2004-05-29 06:23 pm UTC
Re: "word", as they say - [info]restlesshands, 2004-05-29 07:01 pm UTC
Re: "word", as they say - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-05-29 07:35 pm UTC
Re: "word", as they say - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-05-29 07:36 pm UTC
Re: "word", as they say - [info]nolifeking, 2004-05-29 07:44 pm UTC
Re: "word", as they say - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-05-29 09:41 pm UTC
Re: "word", as they say - [info]nolifeking, 2004-05-29 07:40 pm UTC
Re: "word", as they say - [info]kookaburra, 2004-05-31 07:32 am UTC
HP art - [info]redina, 2004-05-29 11:52 pm UTC
Re: HP art - [info]restlesshands, 2004-05-30 12:07 am UTC
Re: HP art - [info]redina, 2004-05-30 01:36 am UTC
Re: HP art - [info]restlesshands, 2004-05-30 02:26 am UTC
Re: HP art - (Anonymous), 2004-05-30 06:48 am UTC
Re: HP art - [info]restlesshands, 2004-05-30 06:58 am UTC
Re: HP art - (Anonymous), 2004-05-30 07:05 am UTC
Re: HP art - (Anonymous), 2004-05-30 08:16 pm UTC
Re: HP art - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-30 01:03 am UTC
Re: HP art - [info]redina, 2004-05-30 01:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-05-29 11:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2004-05-31 11:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-31 05:06 am UTC

[info]ashenmote
2004-05-29 05:53 pm UTC (link)
What? Art wank without plagiarism? HP wank without plagiarism? HP Art wank without plagiarism, even?
Egads! What is the world coming to?!

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(no subject) - [info]skarrow, 2004-05-29 07:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jaseroque, 2004-05-29 07:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]amasaglajax, 2004-05-29 09:58 pm UTC

[info]piggelin
2004-05-29 05:56 pm UTC (link)
I have an issue with snark regarding fanart. Mostly because book fanart is highly individual. The way Snape looks to me when I imagine him while reading would is NOT the same way most people imagine him. Hell, if I ever made fanart of Snape I would get shot down in an instant.

But then again, I have problems with abstract thinking, so I rely on fanart to tell me how things look a lot of the time.

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coreopsis
2004-05-29 06:20 pm UTC (link)
I saw that post on hp_essays last night and wondered why she didn't just post it to i-wank and be done with it. I didn't bother to follow the links, though, because I hate Snape/Harry just that much.

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(no subject) - roxannelinton, 2004-05-31 06:22 pm UTC

[info]kannaophelia
2004-05-29 06:34 pm UTC (link)
any and all comments are welcome and will be adored

So... this is what's called a fib, is it?

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-31 04:57 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-05-29 06:40 pm UTC (link)
Why does this saeva sound so familiar? She was involved in another wank not too far back, wasn't she?

The thing that really gets me is the "Asian-ness" of Snape's eyes in the work. It looks to me more like the artist was using a photo of Alan Rickman as Snape to draw from. For instance, the shot of him on this poster (http://images.art.com/images/products/regular/10091000/10091065.jpg) has a similar look in the eye area as artimusdin's piece. I don't know - maybe A.R. just has Asian-looking eyes?

But why did I feel the need to just type that all out? The point is: NONE OF IT MATTERS! Those nitpicky details pointed out by saeva are not major deviations from canon at all. (I mean, glasses from the wrong year? Come on, that is fuckin' petty.)

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-29 07:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-29 08:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-29 11:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nevadafighter, 2004-05-29 10:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gjeanz, 2004-05-30 08:40 am UTC

[info]cel
2004-05-29 07:20 pm UTC (link)
Quite a busy week for Saeva.

She also posted to [info]hp_essays on Brit-picking not being all that important, as "HP books [aren't] "British" in the same sense that those who are Brit-picking are British." Some agreed, but many people promptly pulled her argument apart, and after repeatedly editing the post to 'clarify' things, she deleted it. Because people made her look really stupid So that she could revise and clarify her essay.

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(no subject) - [info]the_gentleman, 2004-05-29 07:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cel, 2004-05-29 07:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]the_gentleman, 2004-05-29 07:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-30 12:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lexin, 2004-05-29 10:02 pm UTC
Brit-picking post - [info]redina, 2004-05-30 12:08 am UTC
Re: Brit-picking post - [info]lexin, 2004-05-30 12:55 am UTC
Re: Brit-picking post - [info]redina, 2004-05-30 01:49 am UTC

[info]jaseroque
2004-05-29 07:47 pm UTC (link)
The glasses could just be a matter of angle, anyway. They could be large, black-framed glasses, which have been around forever.

And this is relevant why?

Um, dunno. Don't think it is.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

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[info]kate74
2004-05-29 07:55 pm UTC (link)
Just a thought... It's phenominally rare for a caucasian to have actually, totally black hair. "Black" is generally a dark brown. My sister's hair could be described as black, until you get close and see all the caramel highlights that nature put there all by herself. So Harry's "black" hair is actually a product of rather lazy writing. "A dark enough brown as to appear black" is a bit clumsy though, I suppose

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(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-29 08:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - meshou, 2004-05-29 09:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]terminal_frost, 2004-05-29 11:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-30 12:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]elfy, 2004-05-30 05:13 am UTC
(no subject) - meshou, 2004-05-30 05:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2004-05-31 11:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kindest_demon, 2004-05-29 11:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gjeanz, 2004-05-30 08:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nicolae, 2004-05-29 11:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cairea, 2004-05-30 11:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - roxannelinton, 2004-05-31 06:25 pm UTC
Re: - [info]kate74, 2004-05-31 10:58 pm UTC
Re: - roxannelinton, 2004-06-01 11:08 am UTC
Re: - [info]kate74, 2004-06-02 12:04 am UTC

[info]redjackcash
2004-05-29 08:03 pm UTC (link)

Ladies and gentlemen, the reason why I never ever would touch the HP fandom with a ten foot pole! I lurk at these places because the wank, oh my, the wank. While Saeva in herself is wanky, the people responding are equally wanky.

As a person, it is in my nature to concrit things. It's just my first reaction. I see what's good, but I also see what needs to be improved - it stems from what I expect of myself and my art. Incidentally, it is incredibly hard for me to take part in fan communities because OMG NO ON LIEKS CONCRIT!!11!! I try not to be an ass about it, and I'm nowhere near as nitpicky, but I hate the "You're my friend so I'll tell you it's good!" school of thinking. Me and my friends crit our art all the time. I trust crit from my friends more than anything else. Incidentally, we've improved an incredible amount. No one is a perfect artist, and one's skill as an artist does not reflect who you are as a person. Cheezus.

So yeah. The HP fandom is art wanky. As long as it there are two oddly-drawn men having awkwardly-composed gay sex everyone OMG LOVES IT!!11! Halogirl8, for example, is a BNF in the HP fandom for her art, which...uh...I've always thought was rather horrid, to be honest. However, that's my preference and I'm not gonna go and post on all the lists that I've never liked it...the HP fans would beat me with large sticks. I will say, though, that it has always seemed so appropriate to me that she jumps to the defense of all artists in the HP fandom and is the self-proclaimed protector of anyone who might disagree. She's so damn set on never hearing concirt and protecting the world from it. VIVA LA BAD ARTISTS! Stick together, ya crazy kids, and keep churnin' out sludge!

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(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-29 08:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]redjackcash, 2004-05-29 08:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]littlest_lurker, 2004-05-30 01:55 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-30 02:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-30 02:36 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-30 02:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]evening_rose, 2004-05-30 11:15 am UTC
(no subject) - nakannimi, 2004-05-29 09:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]blue_linnet, 2004-05-29 11:38 pm UTC
BNFness - [info]redina, 2004-05-30 12:02 am UTC
Re: BNFness - [info]redjackcash, 2004-05-30 12:09 am UTC
Re: BNFness - [info]redina, 2004-05-30 01:45 am UTC
Re: BNFness - (Anonymous), 2004-05-31 07:53 pm UTC
sorry - (Anonymous), 2004-05-31 07:56 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-05-29 09:10 pm UTC (link)
Alright, so Saeva was snarky, but sweet Jeebus on a hot dog bun -- The whole thread is filled with people acting like babies.

OMG u wer meen! I'm not going to respond to any of the points you made because you were mean, and because you're mean, you must be wrong!

-- Azzie

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meshou
2004-05-29 09:44 pm UTC (link)
The earring also makes me wonder, because back then it was still a symbol of being gay -- is Harry doing that on purpose? If so, that's an interesting touch, though I wonder how in-character that would be for Harry.

Yes. They are gay/bisexual. However, the earring is there mainly as a way for Snape to say "He is mine!", since he is/would be a rather possessive bastard.

Is it strange to anyone else that this went unchallenged? I mean, I'm all for slash, but I think I missed the part with canon-Snape'sBitch!Harry. But then, I never got all the way though book 5.

As for con-crit... no man, not even Snape, is gray. He is canonically described as sallow. Think "Liver disfunction yellow" not "dead for a fortnight green."

Other things bug me, but I've ceased to care.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-29 10:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-05-30 12:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]amasaglajax, 2004-05-29 10:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]redjackcash, 2004-05-30 12:05 am UTC
(no subject) - meshou, 2004-05-30 01:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]elfy, 2004-05-30 05:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bubosquared, 2004-05-30 04:49 am UTC
(no subject) - meshou, 2004-05-30 04:59 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-30 05:09 am UTC
Hee! - (Anonymous), 2004-05-30 07:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]gjeanz, 2004-05-30 08:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dreamtoday, 2004-05-30 02:02 pm UTC

[info]lexin
2004-05-29 10:04 pm UTC (link)
I didn't think Saeva had been particularly mean. But then I've high standard of mean.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-29 11:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gjeanz, 2004-05-31 10:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lexin, 2004-05-31 10:39 am UTC

[info]lumos
2004-05-29 10:04 pm UTC (link)
Whatever happened to the fact that art is supposed to be here for pleasure.

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(no subject) - [info]redjackcash, 2004-05-29 11:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]terminal_frost, 2004-05-29 11:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]aloysius, 2004-05-29 11:18 pm UTC

[info]lemone
2004-05-29 11:17 pm UTC (link)
I loves your icon. Might I take it for usage over on my LJ?

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(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-29 11:24 pm UTC

[info]visp
2004-05-30 01:18 am UTC (link)
Ah yes, the "but by pointing out errors, you hurt feelings!!!111" variety of wank. It always shows up.

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[info]dawnswalker
2004-05-30 06:53 am UTC (link)
In hpart, artimusdin posts Snape/Harry artwork (it's rated PG at worst, don't worry).

BUT WHERE IS SNAPE'S OTHER HAND? :O

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[info]pokecheck
2004-05-30 12:30 pm UTC (link)
I'm coming from an academic context of "Either it's good or it's laughed at." So, I recognise my standards might be harsher than others.

Aaaaaaaggggggggghhhhhhhh!!!!!! Way to make academia sound like the retentive elitist snob market we all know it to be not to be. Please stop being in my nerd-dom, you're making my nerd-dom look stupid.

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