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This is supposed to be funny, damnit! ([info]gloria_mundi) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-05-31 11:54:00


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Current music:Das Stereo

Not Wanky yet, but you can just smell it coming. Might as well start the mocking now
I'm fairly sure that this is meant as tounge firmly in cheek. I could be wrong.

World of wizards too much for some mere muggles

May 30, 2004

BY PAIGE WISER SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

THIS WEEK'S ARGUMENT: That Harry Potter is not suitable for children.

I know that young audiences are being charmed by screenings of "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban." The tots are entertained, adolescence never looked so appealing, good has temporarily triumphed over evil and all that.

But parents, about these books: Do you really know what your kids are reading?

Inspired by the release of "Azkaban," I've finally gotten through the five books in the series, and I must say I'm appalled.

It's not a question of the occult. I have no problem with the occult. Believe me, if I truly thought that witchcraft would help me smite my enemies, I'd be slaving over a hot cauldron right now.

No, the problem with these books is that they're -- how to say this? -- they're hard.

As I understand it, they were written for children. I picked up the first book because I'd heard it had some crackerjack storytelling. To be honest, my level of reading comprehension these days is closer to that of a sixth-grader's, anyway. I read to relax now that television shows such as "The West Wing" and "24" mentally exhaust me to the point of tears.

But I've just finished the gargantuan Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, and you know what?

It's over my head.

Author J.K. Rowling eases you into the series, but soon enough you have a Harry headache trying to remember who's a reformed Death Eater, who's Muggle-born, and exactly what the magical limitations of Squibs are.

And that's not the worst of it. Let's say there are kids out there a little sharper than me. Let's say they don't find the books difficult; they follow the Quidditch play-by-plays with no problem. They can recite wizard genealogy back six generations, and still have room in their brains for a mental map of the Hogwarts grounds.

What, do you suppose, they're making of the rather adultish themes in these books? The Harry Potter books contain the following:


Vast conspiracies
Corrupt government
Sensationalistic, untrustworthy media
Butterbeer, which sounds as if it's both alcoholic and extremely fattening
Enormous snakes
Gambling addiction
Routine physical torture during school detention
Prison guards who can suck souls out of mouths
Dead teenagers
Miscellaneous evildoers


"Don't forget the self-flagellation of the house elves," a colleague reminds me.

I mean, why don't we just let these kids read the newspaper?

I know that Rowling means well. And I think it's great that kids are newly excited about reading. But by book five, Harry Potter gets pretty heavy.

It's not like I'm some naive rube. I grew up reading the Trixie Belden mystery series; believe me, Trixie and the gang taught me quite a bit about clues, corruption and crime.

Some might call me "street smart."

But it's one thing to write a series that doesn't talk down to kids, and it's another to reveal to them, without warning, that mermaids are unattractive. What child can take that kind of disillusionment? Why not just tell them the truth about Santa Claus? I mean, you know, that he's blocking reindeer efforts to unionize.

I can't tell you what to do. Go ahead, expose your children to the wizarding world, even if it means nightmares, awkward questions and English accents.

Me? I'm switching to The Baby-Sitters Club.




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[info]backfromspace
2004-05-31 10:25 pm UTC (link)
If you're "street smart", why are you arguing semantics in a children's book series? Shouldn't you be out cultivating marijuana in public parks or something?

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-05-31 11:48 pm UTC
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Pimping - [info]iczer6, 2004-06-01 02:40 am UTC
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(Anonymous)
2004-05-31 10:39 pm UTC (link)
Because kids don't already think about evil, monsters, sex, and death all the time. And they certainly don't come up with crackpot theories about who's running the world and the way things work. All urban legends are started by adults, y'know.

Look at Roald Dahl: cannibalism, sadistic headmasters, industrial espionage, rebellion of the working class, space monsters, laxative addictions... Rowling's got nothing new.

And if this woman thinks kids can't follow the plot twists and esoterica of Harry Potter, she's never seen a five-year-old who has every single Pokemon memorized.

cumaeansibyl on LJ

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[info]epanssureves
2004-05-31 10:44 pm UTC (link)
Ok I've read her article and now *my* brain hurts.

Not from the complexity, but from teh stupid.
Me thinks her brain is pastede on yay.

I need to read some HP to relax now . And then maybe I'll watch my West Wing DVDs and relax more.

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(no subject) - [info]lexin, 2004-06-01 03:30 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-05-31 10:46 pm UTC (link)
Butterbeer, which sounds as if it's both alcoholic and extremely fattening

Oh my god! Harry Potter = alcoholism + obesity!

Go ahead, expose your children to the wizarding world, even if it means [...] English accents.

Not accents! Telly! Holiday! Kippers! Nu Ni! I hope it's tongue-in-cheek humor, because if this lady takes herself seriously...

-- Azzie

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[info]rinoared
2004-05-31 10:47 pm UTC (link)
I surely hope it's tongue-in-cheek. Because it pains me to think that there's adults that are outranked by my 8 year old in mental strength and wit. Not because she reads Harry Potter (she doesn't), but because she reads newspapers. Something that would be too taxing for this... columnist?

Uhh. I vote "bollocks".

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[info]tigerlily
2004-05-31 10:58 pm UTC (link)
Oh this is the trolliest little editorial ever. She can't be for real about this.

now that television shows such as "The West Wing" and "24" mentally exhaust me to the point of tears.


24?! Honestly woman your brain needs more of a work out if that's mentally exhausting. Hell I came in mid season and got it all sorted within 2 weeks. But yes she's doing this to be silly. I refuse to think any journalist would argue that a book is too hard. Kids tend to have higher reading levels than adults because we keep them reading while they are young and when they get older they lax. The vocabulary and critical reading skills slip away and they retreat to the newspaper and it's 7th grade reading level.

As for the tough reality crap Joss Whedon has a quote about how detrimental it can be to let a child grow up thinking it's all hugs and puppies when it's death and illness (I can't be buggered to track it down but it's quality stuff). You don't want them coddled for too long or they won't be prepared when the big bad world comes around to bite them on the ass.

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[info]llama_treats
2004-05-31 11:11 pm UTC (link)
Lemme see if I understand...this person is complaining because the Harry Potter books are not stupid enough?

I'm tempted to send her a copy of "Where's Waldo" to see if she can understand the emotional complexity of a man in a toque who gets lost in crowds.

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[info]melange
2004-05-31 11:27 pm UTC (link)
This is kinda funny, because I remember being very frustrated as a kid by how utterly simple most children's books were. I actually wanted stories with complicated plots, vividly-drawn settings, and multi-layered characters, and it took me a long time before I found them. I think it's great that there are YA books out there that let kids use their brains.

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(no subject) - [info]quecojones, 2004-06-03 07:55 pm UTC
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[info]dawnswalker
2004-05-31 11:43 pm UTC (link)
Miscellaneous evildoers

Not miscellaneous evildoers! What is the world coming to?!

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(Anonymous)
2004-05-31 11:44 pm UTC (link)
Oh, good lord. Don't any of you understand irony?

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[info]tekenduis
2004-05-31 11:45 pm UTC (link)
I'm a librarian, and I can hardly contain myself. I want my .02 shiny pennies in on this issue.

When we started taking the holds list for Harry Potter and the Order, it very very quickly went up to 1700 people on the waiting list. Usually, with a waiting list that long, we'd be giving each person two weeks to finish the book, instead of the usual three, but when we saw the size of the book, we knew that there was no way that the children on the list were going to be able to finish it. We gave them the full three weeks to read the book.

Our copies came in before we opened on the Saturday that the book hit the bookstores, and we called every person to let them know that the book was there for them right now if they wanted to get it.

By the end of the day, every copy was gone.

The next morning, fully a quarter of them had been returned. When I questioned some of the kids, especially the ones around the 7-12 range about why they were returning the book so soon, they looked at me as if I'd grown a second head. I had presumed that they'd show their parents the size of the book, and that the parents had broken down and purchased it instead of forcing their poor child to read this monster book in three weeks. Instead, I was informed (patronisingly!) that they were done, hello?

It was the grownups that had trouble reading the book in three weeks. The ones who were juggling, jobs, deadlines, kids, sports, ballet, etc. etc.

Kids are amazing readers and when they love something, they are not lazy about getting through it. For the most part, they have very good comprehension levels, and aren't afraid to ask for clarification if a word or concept is over their heads. They've been taught to do it.

Oh dear.. I appear to have gone off on a tangent, pardon me. In summation: Kids aren't dumb. Thank you. ^_~

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[info]crickets
2004-06-01 12:53 am UTC (link)
I mean, why don't we just let these kids read the newspaper?

You mean they don't? Granted, early on I read the funnies and Dear Abby and stopped there, but jeez. It wasn't hard to flip through and read articles that looked interesting. The main problem with kids [in the US] reading newspapers these days isn't reading comprehension, it's poor editing and bias/lack of credibility.

As for the "rather adultish themes," I suppose this woman has never read The Hobbit, Watership Down, The Forgotten Door, or A Wrinkle In Time, etc.?

::facepalm:: There are plenty of fluffy, happy children's books out there if kids want to read them, but let's turn all children's books into dumbed-down drivel just to ease widdle Paige's pain. Not.

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[info]criticalcricket
2004-06-01 01:02 am UTC (link)
I guess she's trying to be funny or clever or something, but it just comes our flat. The fact that she tried so hard and failed is what really makes if funny. Time to point, laugh and move on. :)

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(no subject) - [info]darkwitch666, 2004-06-01 07:58 pm UTC

[info]elijahdprophet
2004-06-01 01:13 am UTC (link)
you know, I am seeing the irony in this in the same way I see it in the AdCouncil "My Freedom iz pastede on YAY!" TV adverts. I wonder if the makers even realize the irony of it.

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[info]kijikun
2004-06-01 02:30 am UTC (link)
Man I wonder what she thought about Chroncile of Narnia and The Witches.

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(Anonymous)
2004-06-01 02:41 am UTC (link)
Tongue, TONGUE damn it, not TOUNGE! Sorry, but I hate that!

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(Anonymous)
2004-06-01 04:21 am UTC (link)
Is anyone really taking this article seriously? It's so obviously meant as humor ...

I mean, my irony-buzzer went off at

It's not a question of the occult. I have no problem with the occult. Believe me, if I truly thought that witchcraft would help me smite my enemies, I'd be slaving over a hot cauldron right now.

and by the time I got to

But it's one thing to write a series that doesn't talk down to kids, and it's another to reveal to them, without warning, that mermaids are unattractive. What child can take that kind of disillusionment? Why not just tell them the truth about Santa Claus? I mean, you know, that he's blocking reindeer efforts to unionize.

I was snorting Sprite out my nose.

Maybe I'm just easily amused?

renata_hpjc at LJ

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Mm-hmm. - [info]kannaophelia, 2004-06-01 05:02 am UTC
Re: Mm-hmm. - allen, 2004-06-01 05:52 am UTC
Re: Mm-hmm. - [info]kannaophelia, 2004-06-01 06:22 am UTC
Re: Mm-hmm. - allen, 2004-06-01 06:26 am UTC
Trixie Belden! - [info]kannaophelia, 2004-06-01 06:35 am UTC
Re: Trixie Belden! - ataniell93, 2004-06-02 10:18 am UTC
Re: Trixie Belden! - [info]kannaophelia, 2004-06-02 10:34 am UTC
Re: Trixie Belden! - [info]janegraddell, 2004-06-09 04:50 am UTC
Re: Mm-hmm. - [info]iczer6, 2004-06-01 06:00 am UTC
Re: Mm-hmm. - [info]kannaophelia, 2004-06-01 06:13 am UTC
Word. - [info]snacky, 2004-06-01 04:36 pm UTC
Re: Mm-hmm. - [info]onetrickpony, 2004-06-01 07:46 pm UTC
Re: Mm-hmm. - (Anonymous), 2004-06-02 01:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2004-06-01 06:07 am UTC
**THANK YOU** - [info]htrismegistus, 2004-06-01 11:07 am UTC
Re: **THANK YOU** - [info]llama_treats, 2004-06-01 04:35 pm UTC
Re: **THANK YOU** - [info]htrismegistus, 2004-06-01 04:39 pm UTC
Re: **THANK YOU** - [info]llama_treats, 2004-06-01 04:42 pm UTC
Re: **THANK YOU** - [info]htrismegistus, 2004-06-01 04:51 pm UTC
Oh thank god... - [info]snacky, 2004-06-01 04:34 pm UTC
Re: Oh thank god... - ataniell93, 2004-06-02 10:23 am UTC
Re: Oh thank god... - [info]kannaophelia, 2004-06-04 05:13 am UTC
Re: Oh thank god... - [info]snacky, 2004-06-04 04:47 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-06-01 06:22 am UTC (link)
I have a few things to say. If your reading comprehension level is closer to that of a sixth-grader, how are you able to get a job as a columnist writing for a national newspaper?

I think the author might be trying to pull off irony, but it just came out all-serious like. And sort of poor quality.

Some one above mentioned the "His Dark Materials" trilogy. I completely agree with that and I will go to my bookshelf to find out what other children's books I can find that she might deem 'bad' for children. Keep in mind, all of these books have been found in either the children or teens’ section of my local Barnes and Noble's or Borders bookstore.

All the books of Redwall by Brain Jacques. My aunt gave these to me when I was ten. I've also seen a cartoon version on PBS. From the back cover "War erupts in the Summer of the Late Rose, shattering the peace that had reigned in Mossflower since the magnificent mouse, Martin the warrior, laid down his Mighty sword generations earlier. Now a dark cloud of doom and despair hangs over the ancient stone abbey of Redwall. Cluny the Scourge - the one-eyed embodiment of evil the most savage bilge rat the ever jumped from ship to shore - has arrived with his rodent horde to conquer...and to destroy." There is death and the only other part I can remember is a very weird rabbit.

"The Giver" By Lois Lowry. We were forced to read this in English class in Middle School. Here's the review I got from Amazon.com: "In a world with no poverty, no crime, no sickness and no unemployment, and where every family is happy, 12-year-old Jonas is chosen to be the community's Receiver of Memories. Under the tutelage of the Elders and an old man known as the Giver, he discovers the disturbing truth about his utopian world and struggles against the weight of its hypocrisy. With echoes of Brave New World, in this 1994 Newbery Medal winner, Lowry examines the idea that people might freely choose to give up their humanity in order to create a more stable society. Gradually Jonas learns just how costly this ordered and pain-free society can be, and boldly decides he cannot pay the price." Once we finished it we had to do a whole unit on it.

"The Outsiders" by S. E. Hinton. Another book we were forced to read this in Middle School English class. It's about kids in a gang. A review from Amazon: "According to Ponyboy, there are two kinds of people in the world: greasers and socs. A soc (short for "social") has money, can get away with just about anything, and has an attitude longer than a limousine. A greaser, on the other hand, always lives on the outside and needs to watch his back. Ponyboy is a greaser, and he's always been proud of it, even willing to rumble against a gang of socs for the sake of his fellow greasers--until one terrible night when his friend Johnny kills a soc. The murder gets under Ponyboy's skin, causing his bifurcated world to crumble and teaching him that pain feels the same whether a soc or a greaser. This classic, written by S. E. Hinton when she was 16 years old, is as profound today as it was when it was first published in 1967." This was selected by teachers for us to read. And then we had to watch the movie.

One of my friends has just said to me on AIM
xSunkistVampirex: i was never into children's books...
ZimNnyDragon: i wasn't really either but some stuff held my interest
xSunkistVampirex: i was reading ann rice at the age of 11... and those books had like sex and rape and killing in them....
xSunkistVampirex: i have never read a children's book besides HP... really...
ZimNnyDragon: lol
ZimNnyDragon: really?
xSunkistVampirex: of my own free will atleast
ZimNnyDragon: oh
xSunkistVampirex: only for classes
xSunkistVampirex: like the giver
xSunkistVampirex: and stuff
xSunkistVampirex: but never of choice
ZimNnyDragon: i hated the giver
ZimNnyDragon: now i have to mention the giver
xSunkistVampirex: and i was reading stephen king at 10

I could go on longer about books but I’ve run out of room. So, I've gone way off what I originally wanted to say, but to sum up, Harry Potter really isn't the worst thing your kids are reading.

-zimnnydragon

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(no subject) - [info]snacky, 2004-06-01 04:32 pm UTC
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(Anonymous)
2004-06-01 07:03 am UTC (link)
Oh my god, guys, the article's a joke. Even if you think it's not a very funny joke - why write lengthy essays tearing it down? What's the point? I would think that the author would pretty much agree with you.

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[info]chaimonkey
2004-06-01 08:32 am UTC (link)
It's bitches like her wot ruined Brian Jacques' Redwall series.

Mossflower - Cluny crushes one of his minions beneath the speeding horsecart. Blood-curdling screams ensue.
Legend of Luke - scaring the stoats with sling shots that never hurt 'em

And no, it's not some weird theory of mine - I interviewed the guy. He really was getting loads of pressure to tone it down. And he did.

*grinds axe*

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(no subject) - [info]crickets, 2004-06-01 10:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]htrismegistus, 2004-06-01 11:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]crickets, 2004-06-03 03:35 am UTC
Re: - [info]chaimonkey, 2004-06-01 01:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]crickets, 2004-06-03 03:36 am UTC
Re: - [info]chaimonkey, 2004-06-03 04:07 am UTC
What she also forgot on her HP listing...
[info]redina
2004-06-01 06:02 pm UTC (link)
The Harry Potter books contain the following:

sadism and bondage
bestiality
incest

extremely fattening

I can see that. After all the feast descriptions, I often found myself raiding the fridge. As Americans, maybe we'll start eating each other (Soylent Green - music for your dining pleasure).

However, simply do curls with the hardcover HP books; they're certainly bulky enough.

Dina,
wondering if this columnist has a relative called 'Bud' based on the last name she provided

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[info]oysteria
2004-06-01 07:39 pm UTC (link)
...so this is what Diana Wynne Jones meant.

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(no subject) - [info]kijikun, 2004-06-01 10:18 pm UTC

[info]teratologist
2004-06-01 08:12 pm UTC (link)
On the bright side, it's funnier than the phoenix wank.

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Personal perception on amusing - [info]redina, 2004-06-01 10:55 pm UTC
Re: Personal perception on amusing - [info]chaimonkey, 2004-06-07 08:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bishounenhuntrs, 2004-06-02 06:03 am UTC
ffftt, a 6th grade reading level? and she's an "adult"?
[info]stellabymoor
2004-06-01 10:30 pm UTC (link)
wow, her wit was so dry we were waiting for the wank so we could get some lube.

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[info]calanthe_b
2004-06-02 09:07 am UTC (link)
Um. Yes. It's meant to be sarcastic. And it's actually doing quite a good job of it.

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