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J. Crew Guy ([info]j_crew_guy) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-06-08 12:59:00
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Entry tags:a kid's book shouldn't be for kids, anime/manga, elitism, sub vs. dub

OMG LITTLE KIDS WILL GET INTO MY SHOW!!!!111
4Kids (the company best known for unleashing Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh! on American audiences) announced today that they have the rights to One Piece.

Wank, predictably, enuses.

Posters at AnimeonDVD and Anime News Network threaten bodily harm to 4Kids representatives, fear the loss of fansubs, and talk of buying bootlegs.

Over on LJ, the one_piece comm really brings the splooge, with some of the best reactions yet.

Funimation is the devil! (Despite their efforts to improve and release both flavors of Dragonball Z.)

My favorite, "I don't want all those little kids getting posessive over it." Because, y'know, it's a kids show, and God forbid children should watch and get into it.

"Won't someone think of the fanfiction?!?!"

"p433r teh legions of idiots who will join our c0mm!!11"

*waits for 4Kids to announce they have the rights to Naruto*
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[info]smo
2004-06-08 11:05 pm UTC (link)
Oh no they di'int just dis Funimation! *clutches FB DVDs tightly to bosom*

Actually, given 4Kids's history of mangling anime beyond recognition (Shaman King much?), I understand the fans' concern, even though I can take or leave One Piece. I just wish they'd stop being so wanky about it.

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(no subject) - [info]j_crew_guy, 2004-06-08 11:07 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]rhi_silverflame, 2004-06-09 03:57 am UTC

[info]darkvalkyrie
2004-06-08 11:16 pm UTC (link)
To be fair, both 4Kids and FOX suck copious amounts of ass at dubbing and editing, respectively.

Personally? I'm just waiting for the influx of Mary Sues. Not that it probably wasn't happening before, but you know.

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(no subject) - rachelthedemon, 2004-06-08 11:27 pm UTC
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[info]kijikun
2004-06-08 11:18 pm UTC (link)
As long as they handle both it (and eventually Nurato) like they did Card Captors Saukra,(as in release the full unedited version in both English and original Japanese on DVD) I think I'll live.

Even if they don't *shrugs*

I mean it is just a kid’s show.

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[info]starherd
2004-06-08 11:40 pm UTC (link)
*Is* One Piece a children's show? *clueless, but knows that most of the anime we get is aimed at teens, who would bristle at being called children, so curious*

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(no subject) - [info]banal_o_rama, 2004-06-09 11:26 pm UTC
Sanji' smoking... - (Anonymous), 2004-06-09 04:17 pm UTC
Re: Sanji' smoking... - [info]mucktron, 2004-06-10 08:40 am UTC
Re: Sanji' smoking... - [info]banal_o_rama, 2004-06-11 01:50 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]banal_o_rama, 2004-06-10 06:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]liarliar, 2004-06-10 06:57 am UTC
Re: - [info]banal_o_rama, 2004-06-11 01:46 am UTC
No! Not MY children's cartoon!
[info]banal_o_rama
2004-06-08 11:43 pm UTC (link)
;_;

NO. Bad. Wrong. BAD.

;_;

::dabs napkin at crotch::

(P.S. Am I the only one who read it as "Wanx Club"?)

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Re: No! Not MY children's cartoon! - [info]arielchan, 2004-06-09 08:29 am UTC

rachelthedemon
2004-06-08 11:44 pm UTC (link)
I admit, I do share their sentiment considering 4Kids' track record (Hollywood Mew Mew, anyone?). But there's a difference between being reasonably pissed off and taking it to the point of wank. *sigh* And the OP comm is usually so sane....

I think the reason people are so uppity is that 4Kids has a rather annoying habit of butchering the series and not releasing uncut DVDs. Fortunately, FUNimation has announced they're doing just that with others of 4Kids' titles (SATAN SABAN RUINED THE DBZ DUB, YOU RETARDS!).

But yeah, I figured t was only a matter of time once the news got out. *sits back with clean popcorn and a SpoogeGuard umbrella*

I weep for my fandom.

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(no subject) - [info]hypno_jango, 2004-06-08 11:46 pm UTC
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[info]hypno_jango
2004-06-08 11:45 pm UTC (link)
I was wondering when this was going to get here. As long as there is an uncut version and if they put some effort into it, I will have no problem. (Hopefully both dub and subtitle because I like to watch both.)

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[info]snarkbunny
2004-06-09 12:15 am UTC (link)
Y'know, I used to be worried about the kiddies and brainless fan teenies getting into my non-licensed anime of choice when it became licensed too, and feared the flood of bad fanfics...

...However, it started getting flooded with bad yaoi and Mary Sues before it actually got licensed - and it hasn't been released in English yet (well, the manga's up to vol. 3), and it's getting worse and worse. It's definitely not the fault of licensing. The fanpoodles and kiddies will find these shows eventually, even if they stay only in Japan.

And as a side note, I recall when the licensing announcement for my show of choice was posted in my comm, it was largely the annoying fangirls who were the ones squealing "Nooooo, it'll attract annoying fangirls now!" Uhm.

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(no subject) - [info]hypno_jango, 2004-06-09 04:58 pm UTC
Amen - (Anonymous), 2004-06-10 09:23 am UTC

[info]palabradot
2004-06-09 12:16 am UTC (link)
*sighs*

Thank god I discovered manga. Is the One Piece anime any good? I usually end up reading the manga first and not being overly thrilled by the anime when I finally see it.

Naruto is proving to be the exception, though....

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(no subject) - [info]banal_o_rama, 2004-06-09 12:50 am UTC

bardiche
2004-06-09 12:32 am UTC (link)
Well, I guess I can understand what the splooge is being ever so fruitlessly wasted on, as... well, let's be honest. When translating something directly from Japanese to English, you'd lose a lot anyway, and some companies just couldn't be arsed to keep it faithful, you know?

I'm not saying this dub of One Piece will turn out like that. I mean, for all I know, it could end up better than the original - which isn't something I'm banking on, mind. But since people were also acting like this when Full Metal Alchemist was announced for an English translation... you'd think English was the language of the Devil and Japanese is OSOPUREOMG.

I've rambled. Having not seen One Piece, I'm going to save my splooge until some company decides to release Jungle Wa Itsumo Hale Nochi Guu in English.

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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-06-09 12:41 am UTC
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[info]liarliar
2004-06-09 12:32 am UTC (link)
Well, here's hoping they're starting to give into consumer pressure and will edit/rename/rewrite/badly dub this less than previous series. More likely, I'll avoid it like the plague as I did with Shaman King.

At least I'll have the fun of telling my little brothers about this. "Hey, you know how you were bitching about having to read subtitles?"
"Yeah?"
"Well, no more! It's liscensed and will be on TV!"
"Aw shit! Now everyone will watch it!"
"Not only that, you don't get any more new eps for years! HAHAHAAHAHA!!"
"EVIL!"

Yes, by getting them into anime early, I've turned them into mini cliche wankers.

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[info]rowan
2004-06-09 12:58 am UTC (link)
Dude, I saw this and went "I wonder if this is on FW?" Bingo.

I do think the licensing rather sucks, though, seeing as 4Kids has never displayed any kind of respect (er) towards the original version of the series they've licensed. It's one thing when you can go "oh, I can watch the Japanese track with subtitles on the DVD", no problem there. But 4Kids has NEVER offered that option. That really has to suck for the fandom.

Licensing isn't bad, but it kind of brings an "ooh, ouch" reaction when the license goes to a company like that. *finishes wanking*

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[info]shinigami_co
2004-06-09 01:07 am UTC (link)
When did 4Kids and Funimation become synonymous? I thought 4Kids was owned by Saban or something. And, I thought Funi lost the rights to One Piece.

Ah, well, anyway. I don't watch Shaman King and I probably won't watch One Piece, but I do read the manga. It does kinda suck that 4Kids got OP, but whatever.

I actually don't think 4Kids'll get Naruto, even though that makes sense. There's too much weird shit going down in that show. Orochimaru, anyone? Or, for that matter, Curse-Seal Sasuke?

If they do, though, they'll make Haku a GIRL! *gigglefit*

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[info]daijinryuu
2004-06-09 02:55 am UTC (link)
Well ... FUNimation's totally impressed me with the uncut/subbed Ultraman Tiga DVDs, so I guess there's hope. Too bad I have no interest whatsoever in One Piece. I've read some of the manga, and ... it just doesn't interest me at all. *shrug*

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[info]dawnswalker
2004-06-09 02:56 am UTC (link)
The very minute I read about this getting licensed on Animesuki.com, I ran to the One Piece LJ Community, my crystalline tears of wank-anticipatory joy flowing behind me and mingling with the cherry blossoms. The wankers that whined about Funimation getting their hands on One Piece last year must be kicking themselves right now. Sanji style.

That said, I think we all agree that 4Kids does a pretty crappy job with their dubs, but now that they seem to have started sub-licensing the Japanese versions to companies that want them, it seems that they might finally be getting a clue. Besides, at least on TV it'll be free, and there's nothing cheaper than that.

*waits for 4Kids to announce they have the rights to Naruto*

I've said this so many times before, but... Oh, that will be a fantastic day indeed. There may even be killings within the fandom over it!

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[info]blackjackrocket
2004-06-09 03:38 am UTC (link)
Why does this happen every time something gets licenced? And do fanpoodles in other countries wank when, say, Static Shock gets licenced there?

"OMG teh'll change Ritchie's name to Hiroshi!!11"

(although actually, it would be interesting to know what the name "Virgil Hawkins" was changed to--and I'm assuming it would be changed, because a name like "Virgil" would be awfully hard for a Japanese 6-year-old to pronounce)

That said, in my view, 4Kids has two sides to them. The crappy side that edits things, and the good side that gets decent voice actors who do quality work.

So really anything by them will get cut but be nice to listen to.

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(no subject) - [info]selene_avis, 2004-06-09 04:21 am UTC
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[info]photosinensis
2004-06-09 03:43 am UTC (link)
Well, having seen a few eps, I must say that I'm not particularly enamoured with the series. If anything, the voices are just wrong for a good number of the roles. Hopefully, the dub will sound better. But then, that requires a decent translation, which may or may not happen.

As long as it doesn't turn into another Witch Hunter Robin, which even I could tell was a bad translation without having seen anything in the original Japaneese, things shall be okay.

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[info]c_chan
2004-06-09 03:58 am UTC (link)
Honestly? I like 4Kids better than Funi. Because 4Kids has facking hilarious VAs, and half the stuff they say can be taken the wrong way. But that's just my 12 year old maturity. Yeah. *cough*

So long as I can read the manga, I really could care less if it gets dubbed or not. And who knows? Maybe 4Kids will release it subbed. Didn't they start doing that for Yugioh? I heard they did...

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(no subject) - [info]blackjackrocket, 2004-06-09 04:17 am UTC

[info]selene_avis
2004-06-09 04:09 am UTC (link)
My favorite, "I don't want all those little kids getting posessive over it." Because, y'know, it's a kids show, and God forbid children should watch and get into it.

I wouldn't say that One Piece is a kids show. Neither was Yu-Gi-Oh. Both were aimed at young teenage males. And yes, the dub of Yu-Gi-Oh is aimed at a younger audience. And yes, this did result in the direction that the dubbing took. And yes, the dub of Yu-Gi-Oh is shit and that's why 4kids doesn't have a good reputation.

'Sides, haven't studies proved that wanking regularly is perfectly normal? ;)

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-06-09 05:06 am UTC
Re: - [info]selene_avis, 2004-06-09 05:22 am UTC
Huzzah!
[info]htrismegistus
2004-06-09 05:17 am UTC (link)
Finally a wank in both my icon and the sentiment expressed therein are applicable at the same time.

Well...at least 4Kids has done me a great service today...

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Re: Huzzah! - [info]liarliar, 2004-06-09 07:26 am UTC
Re: Huzzah! - [info]htrismegistus, 2004-06-09 08:02 am UTC
Re: Huzzah! - [info]liarliar, 2004-06-09 08:11 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-06-09 05:18 am UTC (link)
If I was a huge fan of One Piece, I might be freaking out. As it is, I'm quite satisfied with reading it in Shonen Jump after Hikago and Naruto and Shaman King, so I'm not too worried XD
And besides, Funi has recently announced uncut subbed versions of most of the 4Kids properties, so maybe they're finally starting to realize that it's not such a good thing to alienate the fanbase that's already there *g*
-Mouse

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OT, but...
[info]littlest_lurker
2004-06-09 06:40 am UTC (link)
OMG ICON!!! *fangirls scary Sana*

*ahem* Sorry, but that is a Kodocha icon, isn't it? I'd recognize that hammer anywhere!

Sorry, what were we talking about? Oh yeah, licensing wank. Hasn't Kodocha been licensed? Has there been any wank about that, if it has?

*loves the Kodocha manga a whole lot, and while she hasn't seen the anime, can't wait to get it, if it does come out here stateside.*

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Re: OT, but... - [info]khym_chanur, 2004-06-09 06:47 am UTC
Re: OT, but... - [info]littlest_lurker, 2004-06-09 06:56 am UTC
Re: OT, but... - [info]banal_o_rama, 2004-06-09 11:30 pm UTC
Re: OT, but... - [info]j_crew_guy, 2004-06-09 06:50 am UTC
Re: OT, but... - [info]littlest_lurker, 2004-06-09 06:57 am UTC
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Re: OT, but... - [info]jaseroque, 2004-06-09 12:29 pm UTC
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Re: OT, but... - [info]smo, 2004-06-09 07:30 pm UTC
Re: OT, but... - [info]rowan, 2004-06-10 01:16 am UTC

[info]arielchan
2004-06-09 08:35 am UTC (link)
I'm just waiting for someone to try and license Fushigi Yugi. *vbeg* They would remove all the good lines... and most of the good scenes... and Nuriko would stay a girl for the whole series... *giggles* Oh, god, the ways they could bastardize that show!

(FY being the only anime in which Ariel-chan has actually watched the whole thing subtitled.)

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Re: - [info]arielchan, 2004-06-10 04:32 am UTC

[info]palabradot
2004-06-09 01:10 pm UTC (link)
Hey, now, I *love* Static Shock! Got the whole run of the original comic too.

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[info]schuldig
2004-06-09 04:07 pm UTC (link)
I agree with them. When you have licenced DVDs on the market it means that everyone can watch it, and that isn't right. People with 56k modems, or can't use BitTorrent or IRC on their computer are obviously going to be inferior fans. Why? Because if they actually cared about watching the show, they'd get broadband and/or buy a new computer. If they only get it when it's licenced, they're just copying us!

We need to keep these people out of our fandoms!!

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