kookaburra
2004-06-09 11:57 pm UTC (link)

I go to a Catholic school and we had many discussions about homosexuality in Religion class and my friends and I would always win the debate because my religion teacher and most of the guys were against homosexuality.

Yes, because everyone knows that it's your position that counts in a debate, not the way you discuss it.

I think I lost a few braincells reading that "Southern Baptist" thread. And I'm not even going to touch that remark about the Amish- soooo many things wrong in just that little statement.

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	smo 2004-06-10 12:02 am UTC (link)
	Yes, because everyone knows that it's your position that counts in a debate, not the way you discuss it. Well, duh! It's all about arguing a point so that years later, you can be all, "See, I'm not prejudiced! I argued in favor of teh gay. Go me!" Didn't they teach you anything in school? [/sarcasm] (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kookaburra 2004-06-10 12:14 am UTC (link)
	What? No, they didn't! I musta got a faulty edumacation! I'll just take my receipt back and see if they'll replace it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	smo 2004-06-10 03:45 am UTC (link)
	And here I thought I'd never regret not having been on the debate team... (Reply to this)(Parent)

	palabradot 2004-06-10 12:43 am UTC (link)
	Shee-it. I'll just stay over here and hug my copy of Avenue Q. :) (Reply to this)

(Anonymous)
2004-06-10 03:11 am UTC (link)

it's wank like this that makes me wish i had a code...

*eyes water and lower lip quivers pathetically*

i don't care what anyone says, broadway can bring the wank with the best of 'em. hell, someone left a comment in my livejournal saying that wicked should have won best musical and avenue q didn't deserve it because "they're just puppets". if we're going on credibility of appearances one might bring up the fact that wicked features a goat teaching classes and a tiny blonde girl in a bubble...

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	palabradot 2004-06-10 03:17 am UTC (link)
	The novel it's based on's pretty good. I'm reading it at present... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	nekoneko 2004-06-10 05:55 am UTC (link)
	It's also incredibly different from the novel. Like Nessarose has arms, and she doesn't seem to be such a fekking psycho, from my CD. Jeebus, she's scary. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	pipssister 2004-06-10 06:24 am UTC (link)
	I read the book too. A LOT seems differed. And Nessarose was my favorite character in the book, actually... ...Yes, I'm very weird. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2004-06-10 03:28 am UTC (link)
	Oh my god, the Tony wank is huge. The broadway community has quite a few examples of this. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	nekoneko 2004-06-10 05:54 am UTC (link)
	Yeah. Some Wicked community members had some kind of hate-on for Avenue Q, since they lost the Best Musical of the Year award. After the dozens of posts about how Avenue Q sucked, there were more posts how everyone should shut up. It filled up most of my friends page. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	palabradot 2004-06-10 06:24 am UTC (link)
	Haven't been able to hear the Wicked soundtrack yet, so I really can't judge. Will be fixing that as soon as I finish the novel. I'm a serious fan of Avenue Q, though. Sent "The Internet Is For Porn" lyrics to every librarian I knew after I heard it at work.... (Reply to this)(Parent)

	smo 2004-06-10 04:03 am UTC (link)
	whispers to you Go to codes, and they'll hook you up. wicked features a goat teaching classes You know, I can think of at least three classes I took as an undergrad that would have been improved by a goat teaching them. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2004-06-10 04:09 am UTC (link)
	thank you! runs there i agree about the improvement of classes if they're taught by a goat. especially considering that the goat in wicked SINGS! i certainly wouldn't fall asleep during physics if a goat was singing me the formula for acceleration. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	smo 2004-06-10 04:10 am UTC (link)
	Dude. If a singing goat had taught Experimental Psych my soph year of college, I wouldn't have had to take it pass/fail. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2004-06-10 07:48 am UTC (link)
	In all fairness, it was slightly disturbing to watch a puppet feel up Hugh Jackman... and yet, there was something about it that was so right. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2004-06-10 08:24 am UTC (link)
	so true! especially when rod said the bit about looking after hugh's "assets"! immature giggle (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	smo 2004-06-10 04:27 pm UTC (link)
	Mmm, Hugh's assets. I'm with the puppet on that one. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2004-06-10 06:52 pm UTC (link)
	Hugh/Puppet= OTP! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	nekoneko 2004-06-10 07:37 pm UTC (link)
	Yes, but which puppet? There was that kiss with Lucy the Slut, and the 'assets' with Rod. Hmmm. OT3! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sewingmyfish 2004-06-10 07:10 pm UTC (link)
	Damn right! Too bad I missed the Tonys. I wonder if I could find a clip somewhere... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	nekoneko 2004-06-10 07:33 pm UTC (link)
	Of course there are clips up! Do you think the Hugh fans are slackers? XD They've been up since Monday, actually. Here ya go. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	mariagoner 2004-06-10 07:17 am UTC (link)
	And to think... I used to think that Broadway Wank was confined to the Phantom of the Opera. O.O (Reply to this)(Thread)

	smo 2004-06-10 04:29 pm UTC (link)
	The wankdom of the musical is there. Inside our minds. It's everywhere. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	musette 2004-06-10 11:57 pm UTC (link)
	Clearly you have not had to battle it out with an Eponine fangirl. shudder (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	smo 2004-06-11 12:03 am UTC (link)
	Dude. I mean, I liked Eponine better than Cosette, but I wouldn't, you know, FIGHT with someone over it. That's just... well, let's just say it demonstrates a definite lack of priorities. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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musette
2004-06-11 12:40 am UTC (link)

Trust me, Eponine vs. Cosette is like the Last Judgement, Battle for the World, etc. of Les Mis fandom. Generally the problem is that it doesn't stop at "I like Eponine better", it turns into "omg I am just liek Eponine!!1!!1one!1! Cosette iz jest a mean beeotch and she liek stole Marius from Eponine omg! Eponine and Marius wur meant 2 be!" And then I wank all the fuck over the place. It's sad really.

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	smo 2004-06-11 06:02 pm UTC (link)
	That is sad, because technically I agree with them, but... no, no wanking on the subject, please. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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musette
2004-06-11 11:02 pm UTC (link)

*cringe* I'll pretend you didn't say that so I don't get the urge to be wanky. ;-) But yeah, there's a serious problem of people demonising Cosette because without her Marius totally would have fallen for Eponine (um, wha? on what planet?). I mean yeah sure, you can not like Cosette all you want (I personally do, but she can be rather dull sometimes, I can understand why people wouldn't), but she didn't even know Eponine, it's not as if she woke up one morning and was like "hmm... how can I destroy some random urchin girl's life? oh I know, I'll contrive to randomly meet her boyfriend and then steal him!!" Of course these girls also refuse to admit that Eponine totally got romanticised by the musical and that novel canon is different and not as nice to her, and... yeah. Then not only is it a character war then, it's a novel canon vs. musical canon battle.

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(Anonymous)
2004-06-10 07:40 am UTC (link)

This is slightly off the subject, but Wicked wank isn't restricted to the musical. Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060987103/qid=1086820874/sr=8-2/ref=pd_ka_2/102-6170223-0446527?v=glance&s=books&n=507846) has a couple of, erm, interesting reviews.

First, someone whines about how the book contains "overly gratuitous and revolting" sexual content. Uh-huh.

This one is, by far, my favorite:
"I heard this book was very in, it was even made into a certain musical comedy. I was expecting ointments on how to turn your skin green, be extra wicked, attach wings to small and fairly frightening monkeys ect. but all I got was a boring story about talking animals and a very in a popular girl... Rubbish. Don't buy this book. It is an out book. Therefore, it is NOT in! The part where she has an affair is kind of in though. After all, I'm having one."

No, I'm not sure that one wasn't a joke. But still.

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	(Anonymous) 2004-06-10 08:08 am UTC (link)
	Lookit the name- Esme Squalor. A silly reference to A Series of Unfortunate Events. (Reply to this)(Parent)

musette
2004-06-10 11:59 pm UTC (link)

*bounce* I was waiting for this to show up so I didn't have to report it myself!!

I hate the "so and so is a bitch at the stage door" wank that inevitably comes up in any Broadway fandom. Why in the fuck do you care if people are nice if you like their performance? You're paying to see the show, not to be buddy buddy with the cast. I mean yes, some people are /incredibly/ good to their fans and will spend a million years after the show talking to people, but I've seen people get stuck with psychos they can't get rid of as a result (Randal Keith from the Les Mis tour comes to mind). Yeesh, all y'all out of my fandom!

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	smo 2004-06-11 12:01 am UTC (link)
	If I were a Broadway star ~~and the moon were made of green cheese~~, I would hide from my fans. Seriously. I do not do well with strangers, especially psycho stalker types. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: musette 2004-06-11 12:38 am UTC (link)
	It's sad really. There are some v. nice people and there are some TOTALLY FUCKING INSANE ones. I've had to ban enough of the crazies from my boards, I don't even want to think about them being my fans would be like. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	smo 2004-06-11 06:03 pm UTC (link)
	o_O Well, if you ever need to hide from them, there's a futon-couch in Malden with your name on it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: musette 2004-06-11 11:03 pm UTC (link)
	I'll bear that in mind, never know when the crazies will strike. g (Reply to this)(Parent)

	dandywolves 2004-06-12 03:19 am UTC (link)
	broadway fans are the worst. I haven't been a member of the wicked or rent communities for ages, just because the fans are so fucking insane. they yelled at me! and, oh, the broadway community. I'm one of the mods, and I'm always tempted to abuse my power, because people piss me off so much. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	smo 2004-06-12 08:08 am UTC (link)
	If I had to mod a group like that, I'd definitely be tempted to abuse my power. I might even act on it, if someone really pissed me off. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	hephaestoschick 2004-06-12 09:18 am UTC (link)
	To quote Eddie: "Oh for fuck's sake..." ::headdesk:: (Reply to this)(Thread)

	smo 2004-06-12 06:15 pm UTC (link)
	loves teh Eddie (Reply to this)(Parent)