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	iczer6 2004-07-12 02:29 am UTC (link)
	Actually I think this thread is goldmine of wank. [Warning rehash of the old 'fanfic is illegal argument.] (Reply to this)(Thread)

	ladybirdsleeps 2004-07-12 02:38 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, that's the sillybridget referenced in the original post. The thread I linked to has a link to it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	iczer6 2004-07-12 03:35 am UTC (link)
	I think it'd be better to put both links in the post, linking to comments in another entry can be a little confusing. Icz (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ladybirdsleeps 2004-07-12 03:39 am UTC (link)
	Eh ... I don't see how, but I'll do it anyway. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2004-07-12 03:46 am UTC (link)
	As someone attempting to separate the "fanfic is illegal" argument from the "wickedwitch81 stole from and deceived people" argument, I would just like to ceremonially bang my head against a solid object. Gah! --Vodkahol (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ilpalazzo 2004-07-12 04:47 am UTC (link)
	You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it see your point. Condolences, dude. It would be a very valid and thought-provoking topic of discussion if people would pull their heads out of their asses long enough to read what you wrote. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	iczer6 2004-07-12 05:56 am UTC (link)
	I'm just wondering how the two are related. Last I checked fanfiction and plagiarism aren't the same thing, hell they aren't even remotely related. Icz (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

telophase
2004-07-12 06:13 am UTC (link)

sillybridget appears to be operating in a world where plagiarism and copyright infringement are the same thing. Since they're both illegal, they must be the same!

If I weren't too lazy to do it, I'd look up the interviews where JK Rowling has said she's OK with fanfic and point them out to sillybridget in reply to the posts where she's complaining that Rowling wouldn't like it, no sirree.

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	But... hermiones_hymen 2004-07-12 06:23 am UTC (link)
	Sillybridget's LJ name is a line from Bridget Jones' Diary. PLAGIARIST!!! That's deliberate theft! pens letter to Helen Fielding, Renee Zellweger and Queen Elizabeth (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Your Icon (Anonymous) 2004-07-13 10:12 am UTC (link)
	I wish they had done. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	enkogneatoh 2004-07-12 07:11 am UTC (link)
	Since they're both illegal, they must be the same! Yeah! Just like speeding and murder are the same!! insert eyeroll here (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	telophase 2004-07-12 11:10 am UTC (link)
	Yeah. I think her argument goes that plagiarism is stealing from an author, and when you write fanfic you're stealing the characters and setting, so you're plagiarizing. The concept that plagiarizing is stealing the words is, apparently, beyond her. (Reply to this)(Parent)

(Anonymous)
2004-07-12 09:36 pm UTC (link)

Believe it or not, the wank has grown... an announcement that WickedWitch has been caught plagiarising in another fic (http://www.livejournal.com/users/campy_capybara/62087.html). And the drama bounces back and forth as

campy_capybara (the same announcer as above) tells us to go easy on her and that 'this too shall pass' (http://www.livejournal.com/users/campy_capybara/62209.html). But

cherii_emrei, who's taken a lot of flack for opposing WW says this is not a Wicked - witch hunt, we have proof (http://www.livejournal.com/users/cherii_emrei/146846.html).

And, joy of all joys, the fanfiction = plagiarism has evolved into a rather civilized debate on my livejournal, including the elusive

sillybridget. But we've at least established that we're arguing about copyright infringement and fair use (http://www.livejournal.com/users/nqdonne/59083.html).

Basically, this whole thing has split into two camps: those who have made it all about Wicked, and want to forgive her because of all she's done for the community and those who see plagiarism as plagiarism, especially now that this is an established pattern of behavior on the part of the "author." And on the latter side, we have the fanfiction = plagiarism issue, that is being argued almost independent of discussion WW.

I'm glad you made a post on this. It's something really sad that's going on in this branch of HP fandom... but you just can't ignore a good wank.
~ NQDonne

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	iczer6 2004-07-12 10:22 pm UTC (link)
	Out of curiosity does anyone else want to BEAT Sillybridget with a dictionary till she learns that plagarisima and copy write infringement aren't the same thing? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sporked 2004-07-12 10:50 pm UTC (link)
	She claims to know that, and that we are missing her point: that being illegal = illegal. This distinction doesn't make me want to beat her with a dictionary any less. (Reply to this)(Parent)

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iczer6
2004-07-12 10:56 pm UTC (link)
You hit me with it next.

Damnit I thought I clicked the little spell check button...
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eiviiaru
2004-07-12 05:00 am UTC (link)
Isn't there some jurisimprudence law that makes a statement like 'I'm published so I know better than you what we're talking about here!' void?

If there isn't, there should be.

It should have a corrolary allowing even more shame and derision to be heaped on the speaker if the "publishing" is through a vanity press or other not-actually-published medium.
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eiviiaru
2004-07-12 05:24 am UTC (link)
Please, go ahead. Your idea.
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selene_avis
2004-07-12 04:24 am UTC (link)
...I swear on Sirius Black's grave...

I'm going to giggle for a long time over this.

But I thought the fans were insisting that Sirius wasn't dead?
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She posted at her LJ
(Anonymous)
2004-07-12 04:40 am UTC (link)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/wickedwitch81/35191.html

A bit more contrite now.
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Re: She posted at her LJ
jaseroque
2004-07-12 04:54 am UTC (link)
*reads post*

*reads comments*

Am I the only one having difficulty with the image of Cedric Diggory saying "love and blessed be"?
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Re: She posted at her LJ
terminal_frost
2004-07-12 05:28 am UTC (link)
I'm having trouble just envisioning Cedric using netspeak.
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Re: She posted at her LJ
restlesshands
2004-07-12 05:56 am UTC (link)
Love and blessed be, maybe. (Okay, not at all.)

"Luv and blessed by" .....Kill it now.
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Re: She posted at her LJ
limyaael
2004-07-12 06:18 am UTC (link)
Well, yes. Actually, trouble saying anything but "Glubglubglub," or whatever noise you make with a mouthful of grave dirt.
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Re: She posted at her LJ
eiviiaru
2004-07-12 05:10 am UTC (link)
Well, pseudo-contrite. That's a vital point in every dumb fannish argument -- the "soIwasactuallywrong but MY GIANT CHEERING SQUAD should still be thanked for defending me from my SMALL, BUT TWISTED AND MISGUIDED OPPOSITION eventhoughIwasinthewrong."
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Re: She posted at her LJ
sporked
2004-07-12 06:39 am UTC (link)
I can handle the derisions,mud-slinging and sarcasm by myself

You call that contrite? I call it a martyr complex!
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Re: She posted at her LJ
(Anonymous)
2004-07-12 08:20 am UTC (link)
I'd also like to add that the post was made after she spoke to someone asking what they'd like her to do.

She still paints herself as an innocent who did no wrong and that the ones "against" her are throwing mud and demeaning and degrading her.

really sad actually.
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Re: She posted at her LJ
mydemand
2004-07-12 09:45 am UTC (link)
She admitted to doing wrong in her entry - she's just telling other people to stop fighting on her behalf because it's not worth it.

seems normal enough to me. *shrugs*
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Re: She posted at her LJ
(Anonymous)
2004-07-12 09:52 pm UTC (link)
Is it a locked post? Cause I can't get to it? Could you possibly copy and paste the text, for reference?
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Re: She posted at her LJ
(Anonymous)
2004-07-13 12:56 am UTC (link)
The apology after she got caught the second time:

Lately the topic of plagiarism has been discussed quite a lot in the D/Hr fandom. And recently, there have been accusations made saying that I have been plagiarising a certain book in the 4th chapter of my fic 'In The Darkness'.

However,I must say a few words in my defense. Yes, it is true that I was inspired by and have used passages from the book and posted an earlier copy of the chapter on my LJ.However it was the unedited version and after realising my mistake, I made the necessary amendments to it before posting it on aff.net.

But to be fair,I've taken down most of my fics from aff.net due to them being the target of flamers and kept the post about chapter 4 on my livejournal in private mode.

I admit,I was foolish for not confessing about this in my earlier post. I realised that I have made many mistakes and I apologize greatly for them all.

I'm afraid that this might be the last you'll hear from me.I've already tainted the D/Hr fandom enough with my actions.

Farewell. :)

~wickedwitch

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This was from a post on a D/Hr yahoogroup
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Re: She posted at her LJ
necronomist
2004-07-13 02:11 am UTC (link)
"Lately the topic of plagiarism has been discussed quite a lot in the D/Hr fandom."

Draco/Hermione? Is there something about that ship that sucks brains out?

(Oh yes, I am forgetting about Ron/Hermione, Harry/Hermione, Harry/Draco, with a good dose of OMGSOCANON Sirius/Remus . . .)
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Re: She posted at her LJ
sporked
2004-07-13 03:48 am UTC (link)
*pours water on wicked witch*

"Oh, my beautiful wickedness!! Gone, gone!! Farewell, cruel world!!!"

Or something like that.

*is too lazy to watch tape*
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Re: my fandom is more embarrassing than yours
terminal_frost
2004-07-12 05:31 am UTC (link)
If they want to swear on someone's, they can have his mother's and dance on it too.

*laughs self sick*
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janegraddell
2004-07-12 05:07 am UTC (link)
Darn. Comments deleted right and left. Did anyone save it?
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sporked
2004-07-12 06:43 am UTC (link)
You're not a real Harry Potter BNF until you've been caught plagiarizing something. Why should wickedwitch be remorseful? She just hit the BNF jackpot!
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The 2004 CC Plagiarist award goes to...wickedwitch!
(Anonymous)
2004-07-12 09:00 pm UTC (link)
Oh.
BTW,
CC=Caught Copying,
(just in case anyone thought I meant some~~one~~thing else.)

:o
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Re: The 2004 CC Plagiarist award goes to...wickedwitch!
(Anonymous)
2004-07-13 02:42 am UTC (link)
CC=Caught Copying,
(just in case anyone thought I meant someonething else.)

Though on a related note, sillybridget did make comparisons to Cassie Claire in some of her posts, then deleted many once she realized she was featured in the wank.

I hate it when they delete their posts, it makes me cry. Sort of.
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mydemand
2004-07-12 07:35 am UTC (link)
...*blink*

Somewhat unrelated, but I finally realized the Malaysian Idol connection - she works behind-the-scenes for MI.

I AUDITIONED for Malaysian Idol. I might have met her.

O_o
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(Anonymous)
2004-07-12 07:46 am UTC (link)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/wickedwitch81/34020.html#cutid1

There's some Malaysian Idol pics from her journal. Maybe you'll see yourself!
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mydemand
2004-07-12 09:42 am UTC (link)
hmm, I'm not in there (the entry is from before my auditions; mine were in KL in mid-June). And the face doesn't look too familiar.

still weird though. o_O
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xero_sky
2004-07-12 07:51 am UTC (link)
sillybridget: Fanfiction and plagiarism are the same thing.

Dude, totally. I lift all my fan fics directly from my fansub copies of Gundam Wing XXX: Heero Does ~~Duo~~ Dallas.

But my mom makes me do it!
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iczer6
2004-07-12 10:46 am UTC (link)
I know all my SolxKy fics are stolen from the actual game. [If you enter a secret code you get to a level where instead of fighting the characters strip and have sex.]

My older brother says it's okay.

Icz
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(Anonymous)
2004-07-13 10:27 am UTC (link)
You write SolxKy? Link.
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iczer6
2004-07-13 10:31 am UTC (link)
Are you sure? I feel my GG is my weakest work because they were the first fanfics I ever wrote.

And there's not smut either.

However if you're really interested you can check out my profile at FF.net:

http://www.fanfiction.net/profile.php?userid=107474
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