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janegraddell
2004-07-13 07:37 pm UTC (link)

It gets better.

I am posting this for one reason only, and that's because a few minutes ago I got a really nasty comment about my Mithril announcement from last night:

FIVE awards?! Here, have some cheese with that whine, you spoiled brat

I didn't win any of the Voter's Choice, but that's okay because most of those winners didn't, as far as I see, win in the judged categories, so it was a chance for them to take home something.

Bitch, please. Voter's Choice indicates that readers liked your work, and that's what counts. Not the opinion of a self-chosen panel of BNFs who all cast biased votes for their friends and other BNFs.

First of all, I want to say that whoever wrote this could have had the decency to sign their name. Thank you so much for reminding me where my antacids are.

Second, I want to make very clear that I am not affiliated with HASA or any other perceived elitist group. Yes, all but one of my stories was published at HASA, but I also publish in other forums and really do not participate in HASA discussions or events; my discussion thread over there has been dead since January.

Third, I am very sensitive about my writing. I am a perfectionist and last night and this morning was in fact editing a few of the award winners because of perceived typos; I also found two typos. I had two stories of which I was very proud and wanted very much for them to win first place.

Yes, I am making this a public statement and not merely replying in the original thread because I want to make VERY (note: caps) clear that I engaged in no ass-kissing before or during the Awards. I am not a HASA groupie or any other kind of groupie (well, I am part of Miss Rat's Rat Pack, but that's a different story).

If you do not like the fact that I am airing my opinion in my LJ, then do us all a favor and don't read it. I pay for this space, I think I'm entitled to say what I please.

Oh, and one other thing. It was actually seven awards. Two other stories won Finalist places.

Okay, so it was seven awards that you're whining about getting, not five. Glad you cleared that up for us.

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	romana03 2004-07-13 07:38 pm UTC (link)
	Heh. Beat me to it. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	seventy_three 2004-07-13 07:43 pm UTC (link)
	Um...how is she not affiliated with HASA if she archives her fic there? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2004-07-14 01:52 am UTC (link)
	Her lj friends also might want to notice, that coming to her aid by declaring "I was a judge myself and I think you are so right and not affiliated or somehow friends with any of us in any way" is making it look even more ridiculous. (Reply to this)(Parent)

Amazing--
(Anonymous)
2004-07-13 08:13 pm UTC (link)

I don't think I've ever seen anyone whine AND crow at the very same time, but she's managed it--and gratuitously insulted a whole class of other award-winners to boot--all in one fairly short entry.

With the second, she managed to miss the commenter's point--which was how arrogant, whiny, and insulting her first post was.

For a supposedly intelligent and sensitive person, that's an achievement even more startling than winning all those Mithril awards.

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	smo 2004-07-13 08:20 pm UTC (link)
	have some cheese with that whine That so needs an icon. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Your wish is my command. cjk 2004-07-13 09:52 pm UTC (link)
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	Re: Your wish is my command. smo 2004-07-13 09:58 pm UTC (link)
	OMG I love you marry me have my kids. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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(Anonymous)
2004-07-13 10:15 pm UTC (link)

This reply. (http://www.livejournal.com/users/granamyr/30881.html?thread=72609#t72609)

Since I'm paid professionally to assess writing quality and clarity, yeah, I do thin my opinion is more relevant than the hoards of screaming teenies who help folks win popularity contests in fic.

Paid professionally?

* thin = think
* hoards = hordes
* horrible sentence structure. Her opinion is more important than hordes? Doesn't she mean the opinions of those hordes? Wouldn't it be nice if we had things like words that helped us clarify?

Nitpicky, but come on...

teh irony!

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	beccastareyes 2004-07-13 11:33 pm UTC (link)
	Isn't there a judisprudence law that covers making spelling/grammar errors when declaring your innate spelling/grammatical superiority? At the very least, typoes become very ironic. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2004-07-14 12:26 am UTC (link)
	That's Gaudere's Law, and it predates Jurisimprudence. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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beccastareyes, 2004-07-14 02:06 am UTC

And She says "Bring It, B**ch"
(Anonymous)
2004-07-14 05:59 am UTC (link)

Spacellama (http://www.livejournal.com/users/spacellama/) says in an open post on her LJ:

Once upon a time, a very good writer won some awards. She proudly posted her success in her private livejournal. In response, someone posted, anonymously, the following vitriol:

"FIVE awards?! Here, have some cheese with that whine, you spoiled brat Bitch, please. Voter's Choice indicates that readers liked your work, and that's what counts. Not the opinion of a self-chosen panel of BNFs who all cast biased votes for their friends and other BNFs."

A less saucy person would have let it go, but Viv thought that the nice lady who won all the awards was being attacked unfairly. Viv found that repulsive and cowardly, so she replied as follows:

"I don't know what a BNF is, but I did judge three categories. Since I'm paid professionally to assess writing quality and clarity, yeah, I do thin my opinion is more relevant than the hoards of screaming teenies who help folks win popularity contests in fic.

At least the judges read all stories in each category. Can't say the same for the vast majority of voter's choice voters.

So, what is a BNF?"

Note the typo in line 2. As you might have expected, Anonymous picked right up on that:

"And I "thin" that it depends on WHAT you're paid to edit. If you're editing technical computer journals, then I'd say your opinion on fiction isn't germaine. But it's the internet, where all you need to be an expert is to repeat three times "I am SO an expert!", spin around in a circle and spit in the corner.

PS: if you're gonna brag about your writing-judge expertise, you might try using a spell-checker."

Alas, Anonymous would not a good editor make, and Viv was kind enough to point that out:

"Did you mean "germane"? As you've pointed out, typos do happen.

No, I do not currently edit technical computer journals. I edit both nonfiction and fiction books. The Mithril committee was given full information on my relevant experience. If you had a need for such information, I would happily provide it.

If you merely want to attack me personally, please feel free to contact me: spacellamaprincess@yahoo.com

We don't need to have this discussion in someone else's personal journal."

Now Viv waits, talons out, for Anonymous to come bearing her own special brand of logic. Bring it, bitch.

The End.

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	Re: And She says "Bring It, Bch" pyratejenni** 2004-07-14 06:36 am UTC (link)
	It'd be slightly impressive if you'd spelled out "bitch." (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

Re: And She says "Bring It, Bitch" (Corrected) - (Anonymous), 2004-07-14 07:29 am UTC

	Re: And She says "Bring It, Bch" xeno4eyes** 2004-07-15 12:35 am UTC (link)
	And it would be even more impressive if you signed in. nods Really. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2004-07-14 04:02 pm UTC (link)
	She's probably an intern or something who has to wade through the submissions at a publishing house. It's usually an entry-level shit position. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	oysteria 2004-07-14 04:39 pm UTC (link)
	Now, now. She might just be a really bad editor. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2004-07-15 06:41 pm UTC (link)
	Nothing wrong with nitpicky. Good eye, by the way. I'll try to be a little less casual in my livejournal posts and comments in the future. --spacellama (Reply to this)(Parent)

(Anonymous)
2004-07-13 10:23 pm UTC (link)

Not the opinion of a self-chosen panel of BNFs who all cast biased votes for their friends and other BNFs.

Umm... I hate to say this, but the list of judges is available, and, well, maybe I am not a BNF, but I don't know more than a handful of the people on it. How could they have all been BNFs?

Not saying this wench isn't completely off her rocker, but there are a few folks out there who were really grateful that somebody thought their fics were pretty good. While you are slamming this incomprehensible arrogance, realize it's not representitive of all the folks tapped by the MAs.

OK... I am done spitting into the wind...

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	seventy_three 2004-07-13 10:37 pm UTC (link)
	Eh. They might as well be called the HASA awards. You could say that that's only natural, since HASA only houses sooper-dooper fic. Or you could say...something else. (Reply to this)(Parent)

(Anonymous)
2004-07-13 10:45 pm UTC (link)

"...there are a few folks there who were really grateful that somebody thought their fics were pretty good."

Exactly. However one may feel at the outcome of a competition like that, the only proper public response is pleasure and gratitude at being the recognition you do receive--not griping because some of the prizes you wanted escaped you, and certainly not sneering at a whole category of award recipients.

I've seen sore losers in my time, but sore winners?

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	Fandom is fickle pyratejenni 2004-07-14 12:56 am UTC (link)
	I've seen sore losers in my time, but sore winners? More common than you think. Being absolutely 100% certain you're going to win a certain fanfiction award is asking to be disappointed. Maybe she irked a judge somehow. Maybe one or more decided she didn't need to get first place for whatever story. Or maybe her story just got beat. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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pyratejenni, 2004-07-14 03:49 am UTC

	htrismegistus 2004-07-14 09:01 am UTC (link)
	Third, I am very sensitive about my writing. I am a perfectionist and last night and this morning was in fact editing a few of the award winners because of perceived typos; I also found two typos. I had two stories of which I was very proud and wanted very much for them to win first place. Holy crap! Since when has Anne Rice been writing LotR fanfic? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	frodaish 2004-07-14 09:56 am UTC (link)
	:o! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	kookaburra 2004-07-14 11:35 am UTC (link)
	"percieved typos"? Isn't a typo, like, an absolute thing? I mean, you either spell a word correctly, or you don't, right? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

limyaael
2004-07-14 04:05 pm UTC (link)

I think what she means here are typos that other people told her about, but which she didn't actually see when she went back and looked. At least, it's the only thing that makes sense with the idea that she also found two of them.

And yes, that can happen. But then all you need to do is look at the sentence in question, really, not the whole story. I guess she really is just a perfectionist.

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