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Travis (![[info]](http://www.journalfen.net/img/userinfo.gif){kind=small} kyuuketsukirui) wrote in ![[info]](http://www.journalfen.net/img/community.gif){kind=small} fandom_wank,@ 2004-07-16 00:26:00 |
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BDSM + RPS + RPG = wank
So there's this RPS RPG on GreatestJournal called Valimar. All you need to know about it is that it's an AU where people get sold into slavery if they don't toe the line. It's a self-confessed angst machine: the evil masters torment the slaves so that the slaves can angst.
Today one mun posted two (guaranteed to cause wank) rants on their OOC community.
Rant #1: the mun is troubled by non-players reading the RPG.
"I know we cannot close off the main community to outside eyes, but I really find myself wishing we could. It makes me uncomfortable to know there is someone out there seeing my characters in flashes through the eyes of other characters. I cannot hope to please these people, and the writer in me finds that...discomfiting."
Lots of muns reply, most agreeing.
"I think the problem with the "watchers" is they don't have access to the OOC discussion and planning and plotting that the muns might have, which could explain very well why a particular pup is behaving a particular way."
Another mun says, "They see the outside, the finished product. They don't see the work we put into our plotlines."
Bwah? Maybe it's just me, but if you have to have behind-the-scenes info to understand a character, whether it be in an RPG or in fic, you're doing something wrong.
But it doesn't start getting really wanky until one of the aforementioned readers weighs in with their opinion.
Uh oh! She has the gall to say that she only started reading the game for the Sean Bean character and that she finds one of the other pups that Sean interacted with "creepy".
She's told that saying she doesn't like a character is "insulting people's hard work, effort, blood sweat and tears".
Then the OP responds saying that to read just for Sean Bean is being stalkery and throws the word creepy right back at her.
Yet another mun steps in and says:
"I think that to a degree it's true but a good many of us don't so much as follow the careers of hte people we play. We don't fangirl the actual people. We don't hold any sort of relationship at all between the character and the actor/musician.
I'm with Stuart's mun. We all have squicks and mine is people fangirling the actual people behind the characters they play. It comes off as some wierd fantasy for me and squicks the shit out of me."
Oookay. Thankfully someone asks her to clarify, but the answer doesn't seem to have much to do with the question:
"There's a quality I see rarely, but when I do see it it makes me squick like nothing.
It's not about reading or fangirling the RPGing or the quality or even the actors. It's...
When you are left with the impression the gaming exists soley as a way to fulfill and act out personal fantasy. When a fan of your pup in the real world is DESPERATE to play with them and you can just envision the other player masturbating as you write."
Well. I guess that clears that up. Or not.
Oh, and I almost missed the bit where the OP states that the character called creepy has been removed from gameplay because the mun can't bear the thought of someone not liking her pup. OH NOES!
Rant #2: shipping is evil.
She gives a long list of the evils of shipping, which assumes that just because you ship a pair of characters, you won't write with anyone else. She gives examples of "good relationships" in Valimar but says those aren't the same as ships, because the characters interact with others.
A couple people disagree, and it comes out that shipping doesn't just mean, well, shipping, it means "putting your characters in a bubble where they interact with no one else."
The mod does step in and try to put things in less wank-magnet terms and the whole thread doesn't get nearly as wanky as the first rant, alas.
There are a few gems, though, such as when someone asks what's to stop the characters in a ship from interacting with others, even in non-sexual situations if they're monogamous?
The OP comes back with: "The only answer I have for this is that in all the games I've been in and heard of, I have never seen this happen."
And like a good little wanka, I have saved the pages in case the mods lock down or delete the threads.
http://www.megchan.com/scans/rant1.h
http://www.megchan.com/scans/rant1-1.ht
http://www.megchan.com/scans/rant1-2.ht
http://www.megchan.com/scans/rant1-2-1.h
http://www.megchan.com/scans/rant1-2-2.h
http://www.megchan.com/scans/rant2.h
ETA: Ooh, a helpful mouse posted some more links, one of which led me to this gem:
"You're not a crazy stalker for getting the OOC on Fandom Wank. You're a crazy stalker for literally dissecting every post those two muns do. If I was Sean or Nick mun...I'd find your "reviews" extremely creepy and stalkerish."
So let's review (ha!) shall we?
Reading fic/RPGs about a character/celeb you like = stalker
Liking a celeb = stalker
Giving detailed reviews and concrit for authors you like = stalker
Riiiiight.
So there's this RPS RPG on GreatestJournal called Valimar. All you need to know about it is that it's an AU where people get sold into slavery if they don't toe the line. It's a self-confessed angst machine: the evil masters torment the slaves so that the slaves can angst.
Today one mun posted two (guaranteed to cause wank) rants on their OOC community.
Rant #1: the mun is troubled by non-players reading the RPG.
"I know we cannot close off the main community to outside eyes, but I really find myself wishing we could. It makes me uncomfortable to know there is someone out there seeing my characters in flashes through the eyes of other characters. I cannot hope to please these people, and the writer in me finds that...discomfiting."
Lots of muns reply, most agreeing.
"I think the problem with the "watchers" is they don't have access to the OOC discussion and planning and plotting that the muns might have, which could explain very well why a particular pup is behaving a particular way."
Another mun says, "They see the outside, the finished product. They don't see the work we put into our plotlines."
Bwah? Maybe it's just me, but if you have to have behind-the-scenes info to understand a character, whether it be in an RPG or in fic, you're doing something wrong.
But it doesn't start getting really wanky until one of the aforementioned readers weighs in with their opinion.
Uh oh! She has the gall to say that she only started reading the game for the Sean Bean character and that she finds one of the other pups that Sean interacted with "creepy".
She's told that saying she doesn't like a character is "insulting people's hard work, effort, blood sweat and tears".
Then the OP responds saying that to read just for Sean Bean is being stalkery and throws the word creepy right back at her.
Yet another mun steps in and says:
"I think that to a degree it's true but a good many of us don't so much as follow the careers of hte people we play. We don't fangirl the actual people. We don't hold any sort of relationship at all between the character and the actor/musician.
I'm with Stuart's mun. We all have squicks and mine is people fangirling the actual people behind the characters they play. It comes off as some wierd fantasy for me and squicks the shit out of me."
Oookay. Thankfully someone asks her to clarify, but the answer doesn't seem to have much to do with the question:
"There's a quality I see rarely, but when I do see it it makes me squick like nothing.
It's not about reading or fangirling the RPGing or the quality or even the actors. It's...
When you are left with the impression the gaming exists soley as a way to fulfill and act out personal fantasy. When a fan of your pup in the real world is DESPERATE to play with them and you can just envision the other player masturbating as you write."
Well. I guess that clears that up. Or not.
Oh, and I almost missed the bit where the OP states that the character called creepy has been removed from gameplay because the mun can't bear the thought of someone not liking her pup. OH NOES!
Rant #2: shipping is evil.
She gives a long list of the evils of shipping, which assumes that just because you ship a pair of characters, you won't write with anyone else. She gives examples of "good relationships" in Valimar but says those aren't the same as ships, because the characters interact with others.
A couple people disagree, and it comes out that shipping doesn't just mean, well, shipping, it means "putting your characters in a bubble where they interact with no one else."
The mod does step in and try to put things in less wank-magnet terms and the whole thread doesn't get nearly as wanky as the first rant, alas.
There are a few gems, though, such as when someone asks what's to stop the characters in a ship from interacting with others, even in non-sexual situations if they're monogamous?
The OP comes back with: "The only answer I have for this is that in all the games I've been in and heard of, I have never seen this happen."
And like a good little wanka, I have saved the pages in case the mods lock down or delete the threads.
http://www.megchan.com/scans/rant1.h
http://www.megchan.com/scans/rant1-1.ht
http://www.megchan.com/scans/rant1-2.ht
http://www.megchan.com/scans/rant1-2-1.h
http://www.megchan.com/scans/rant1-2-2.h
http://www.megchan.com/scans/rant2.h
ETA: Ooh, a helpful mouse posted some more links, one of which led me to this gem:
"You're not a crazy stalker for getting the OOC on Fandom Wank. You're a crazy stalker for literally dissecting every post those two muns do. If I was Sean or Nick mun...I'd find your "reviews" extremely creepy and stalkerish."
So let's review (ha!) shall we?
Reading fic/RPGs about a character/celeb you like = stalker
Liking a celeb = stalker
Giving detailed reviews and concrit for authors you like = stalker
Riiiiight.
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