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w**k is a four-letter word ([info]esorlehcar) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2004-07-19 07:56:00


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More RPG insanity from those kooky, kooky Valimer kids:

In which it is revealed that one mean reader's reviews are so horrifying to the poor shrinking violet players that they can't bear to play with anyone she reads.

Some of the more mind-boggling quotes:
And I'm not afraid to say that yes, I DO find it creepy that you're so obsessed with Sean Bean that you'll set up camp in a strange game just to painstakingly dissect "his" chats. And I'm far from the only one.

It's not the fact that you review. Reviews are good, even negative one -- often especially so. But some of my players are not terribly thrilled with having their characters picked apart and their playing ability insulted when you can't possibly be working off of a large enough infomration base to make accurate reviews.

That's the problem, see. Not "negative." "Inaccurate," "ill-informed" -- "biased," even, in contrast to the pup(s) whose actor(s) you're already obsessed with. Others have pointed out that you can't judge a book from a page, and you can't judge an RPG character from a single chat. It's that simple.

Yes, this game is public. That doesn't mean we're writing to entertain you, or to meet your standards. So you'll have to forgive my players if some of them really don't like you or your intrusions. Quite frankly, we didn't do the same to your game, if you have one, which I suspect you do -- so we'd really appreciate it if you'd respect our wishes and not resort to childish "nyah nyahs." Honestly.

I don't want to start another fight or add fuel to a flame war. But I'm tired of you waving little red flags and only getting replies from the 2-3 people who think you're peachy-keen. I don't, and I'm tried to keeping my mouth shut for fear of being Fandom-Wanked. Review all you like, but please stop being petty, and please leave my players alone unless they agree to your scrutiny. Some like it, some don't. Have some class. Stick with the first category.
It's petty and intrusive to review writing unless you have specific permission from the author? Who knew?
Nope. No skin off your nose.

But it's going to be skin of Sean and Nick and Peter and Natalie's noses when the GOOD players in the game won't TOUCH those characters and all that IS left is for them to play alone because... you know...

People hate you.

You're interfering in the game. That goes from someone who has a right to watch and one of the lurkers that the game enjoys to someone who is a troll and a nusiance. I lurk. I write feedback. I do however keep it CONSTRUCTIVE rather than destructive and it makes all the difference in the world.

not your lurking that's the problem, or your focus on one or two characters. It's your god damn holier than though lousy attitude.
My god! Now giving feedback to a publicly posted RPG is interfering with the game!
It wasn't meant to be a threat. I see it more as a warning, something you need to be aware of. (And no, I wasn't "anon.") Nobody's "blacklisting" you. However, as the mod I can tell you that there are players who do not want to be "reviewed" by SS, and they can see that she won't respect their wishes to be left out of her reviews, and thus they are leery of playing with you as a result.

I'm sorry if that pisses you off, but it's their right to be uncomfortable with stepping into the "spotlight," and their right to back quietly away from it. It would be nice if SS would simply see that yeah, she IS making people uncomfortable, and it'd be polite if she'd respect that. But she refuses. So...that's the result. Honestly, it's such a big game you probably won't even notice. If you really don't care, then shrug and move on.
Negative feedback is MEAN! Why, why can't this terrible person either love us or keep her mouth shut in her own LJ? It's rude!

There's plenty more whether that came from, and the wank is ongoing, so maybe we'll get lucky and hear even more about how horrible it is to read and review publicly posted RPGs.


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[info]singe
2004-07-19 04:13 pm UTC (link)
I'm tried to keeping my mouth shut for fear of being Fandom-Wanked

The horror, the horror! Here we go, the first evil FW comment...can't anyone spell over there?

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[info]esorlehcar
2004-07-19 04:17 pm UTC (link)
Personally I think she gets points for knowing she being wanky enough to make FW and trying to stop herself. Yes, the pressure of negative feedback became too much for her to bear, but she tried to hold her wank inside. She tried!

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(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-07-20 04:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-07-20 04:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - cicer, 2004-07-20 06:13 am UTC
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[info]mariagoner
2004-07-19 08:54 pm UTC (link)
I'm tried to keeping my mouth shut for fear of being Fandom-Wanked

This is the sort of moment that makes crushing the dreams of innocent by-standers so very worthwhile.

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(no subject) - [info]singe, 2004-07-19 10:12 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]singe, 2004-07-20 02:42 pm UTC

[info]chaobell
2004-07-19 04:56 pm UTC (link)
This is why I RP in private.

IT'S NOT FOR YOU.

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[info]esorlehcar
2004-07-19 05:09 pm UTC (link)
That's really the crux, I think. If you don't want people reading and responding to something, don't post it publicly. It's not that hard.

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(no subject) - [info]chaobell, 2004-07-19 06:54 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]chaobell, 2004-07-19 08:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]esorlehcar, 2004-07-19 08:14 pm UTC
... - [info]chaobell, 2004-07-19 08:22 pm UTC
... - [info]esorlehcar, 2004-07-19 08:24 pm UTC
... - [info]chaobell, 2004-07-19 08:32 pm UTC
... - [info]esorlehcar, 2004-07-19 08:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]oulangi, 2004-07-20 08:23 am UTC
(no subject) - tintin, 2004-07-19 08:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2004-07-19 07:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chaobell, 2004-07-19 07:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-07-19 08:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chaobell, 2004-07-19 08:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]visp, 2004-07-19 09:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chaobell, 2004-07-19 09:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]visp, 2004-07-20 04:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]toxictattoo, 2004-07-19 08:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-07-20 02:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]snarl, 2004-07-20 12:45 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]snarl, 2004-07-20 01:58 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]mendoit, 2004-07-20 02:18 am UTC
... - [info]lannamichaels, 2004-07-20 02:25 am UTC
... - [info]mendoit, 2004-07-20 02:28 am UTC
... - [info]lannamichaels, 2004-07-20 02:35 am UTC
... - [info]deoridhe, 2004-07-20 02:39 am UTC
... - [info]terminal_frost, 2004-07-20 05:10 am UTC
... - [info]deoridhe, 2004-07-20 05:16 am UTC
... - [info]terminal_frost, 2004-07-20 05:25 am UTC
... - [info]cesare, 2004-07-20 05:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2004-07-19 09:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-07-19 08:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chaobell, 2004-07-19 08:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2004-07-19 09:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chaobell, 2004-07-19 09:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-07-20 01:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]msilverstar, 2004-07-20 01:59 am UTC
... - [info]terminal_frost, 2004-07-20 05:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kyuuketsukirui, 2004-07-20 02:00 am UTC
... - (Anonymous), 2004-07-20 03:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-07-20 02:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pokecheck, 2004-07-20 03:55 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]terminal_frost, 2004-07-20 05:23 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]esorlehcar, 2004-07-20 06:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pokecheck, 2004-07-20 09:16 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-07-19 09:02 pm UTC (link)
Image

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-07-19 09:06 pm UTC
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[info]toxictattoo
2004-07-19 04:56 pm UTC (link)
Mmmmm...don't know about this RPG review/critique thing.

I RP a bit. I happen to know people not involved in the game read the logs.

I suppose since I don't really consider RPing the same as writing a fic I can't get bent if someone wants to 'review' me.

I play my characters as I see them. I set them up at the beginning of the game and from there on out try to keep them IC for the game/character parameters. I honestly have to say I don't give a fig if someone reviews me or not.

If another player in the game wants to take it up with me, if the way I'm playing is interfering with their enjoyment, then I would certainly listen and take it into consideration.

But I don't RP for the enjoyment of the masses. I RP for my own enjoyment and the enjoyment of those that want to RP scenes with me. [shrugs]

Silly RPers...

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(Anonymous)
2004-07-20 12:52 am UTC (link)
True. But why the hell do motives matter?


If I join--or overhear at the next table--a game in which one of the characters is a violet-eyed elven princess named Syrenity whose roleplay consists of simpering and angsting, damn straight I'm going to make snarky comments to my friends, and I may even post it in my LJ. No, her player's not doing it for my benefit. If she were, I'd *go over there* and tell her that she was a moron. Since what she's doing doesn't really effect me, I'd consider *that* crossing a line. If she happens to overhear my comments? Her problem.


It's the same principle as foul language. Ask that I not say "fuck" every third sentence when I talk to you, personally, and I'll probably listen to you. Ask that I not use "fuck" in your vicinity and I'll tell you to fuck off, motherfucker. Objecting to things you have to interact with is reasonable; objecting to things that are just around is silly.

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[info]jennandanica
2004-07-19 05:08 pm UTC (link)
I'm the current GM for the Establishment here on journalfen.

We have a fairly large group of readers who discuss our pups and logs in their journals. Most of them we've actually friended. I posted in my journal just yesterday saying how much I appreciate that we can talk and debate back and forth (sometimes to the point of going 'grr') and then back away and agree to disagree. I think it's amazing.

And yeah, I admit I get my back up sometimes when I feel someone's not interpreting my pups' actions the way I'd like them to but I'd hate like hell for them to feel they had to censor themselves or not have those opinions just because I disagree.

I don't have to go to their journals. I don't have to read what they write. My choice.

It's like the damn television. Don't like what's on it? Turn it off.

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[info]acari
2004-07-19 05:30 pm UTC (link)
And I'm not afraid to say that yes, I DO find it creepy that you're so obsessed with Sean Bean that you'll set up camp in a strange game just to painstakingly dissect "his" chats. And I'm far from the only one.

Pot. kettle. stupid.

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[info]funkyhelix
2004-07-19 05:37 pm UTC (link)

Seriously, if you don't like your neighbors watching and whispering while you have sex, try not to fuck on the front lawn.

And when has ever telling someone what they can and can't write in their own journal ever worked? Got a back button? And on/off switch on your computer? Fucking use it and some common sense.

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(no subject) - [info]imbrium, 2004-07-19 08:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]funkyhelix, 2004-07-19 09:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]imbrium, 2004-07-19 09:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cesare, 2004-07-20 01:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-07-20 02:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mariagoner, 2004-07-19 08:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]missi, 2004-07-21 02:32 am UTC
Bitches, puh-lease.
[info]anatsuno
2004-07-19 06:01 pm UTC (link)
that's so fucked up, man.



*misplaced seriousness ahoy*

i was interested to see the topic discussed when it was something along the lines of 'well, RPG isn't like writing fic, we're doing it for ourselves and not for you, we're reacting to criticism differently because we relate to the creation that resulst from it differently.'

I can certainly relate to this a bit, and i'm fascinated in general with the many ways people take up RP and relate to it, deal with the creativity and darker impulses eventually (especially in BDSM RPGs and whatnot).

But no one seems to be able to put that reflection in any kind of interesting shape, and reason seems to've flown out the window completely, when it comes to the absolute contradiction the 'offended' players seem to want to sustain between their right/desire to post publically and the 'need' to protect their oh so sensitive behinds from any kind of public scrutiny.

SS said it best, really: "How is my writing things that you have to seek out and load up on purpose interfering in the game or "stalking" certain writers, but your writing celebrity-based RPS that the actors themselves would have to seek out and load up on purpose is not interfering with the actors' lives or "stalking" all those actors?"

Seems like negative-digits IQ stuff, yo.

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wizzard
2004-07-19 06:12 pm UTC (link)
This is ridiculous. She's not going to their pup's journals and posting the reviews-she's putting them in her own personal journal. Some of the players seem to appreciate it and the ones who don't should just ignore it.

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-07-20 12:42 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-07-19 07:21 pm UTC (link)
Hi. I'm the mod. That's my post up there, and I stand by it. I felt it needed to be said, because the poster in question was trying to taunt my pricklier players into replying, and I felt it was best if I said something and ended it. I really don't plan to say anything else unless I'm asked to step in again.

I don't think I was being wanky, I didn't mean to be -- I was really trying to be polite, because whether it's weird or not some of my players are uncomfortable with this situation, and if someone asked ME nicely to leave them alone, well, I would. There's some sort of politics going on, ie. the person who reported us the first time was apparently just trying to start a flame war. *shrugs* I don't really get it, and I'm quietly working behind the scenes to end it from our end. Including, as you all say, to ignore these people, because you're right.

That's all I'll say. I hope. :)

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(no subject) - [info]esorlehcar, 2004-07-19 07:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2004-07-20 06:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jennandanica, 2004-07-19 07:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-07-19 07:58 pm UTC
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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-07-19 08:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]esorlehcar, 2004-07-19 08:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chaobell, 2004-07-19 08:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]esorlehcar, 2004-07-19 08:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chaobell, 2004-07-19 08:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]esorlehcar, 2004-07-19 08:40 pm UTC
... - [info]chaobell, 2004-07-19 08:46 pm UTC
... - [info]esorlehcar, 2004-07-19 08:54 pm UTC
... - [info]chaobell, 2004-07-19 09:14 pm UTC
... - [info]esorlehcar, 2004-07-19 09:17 pm UTC
... - (Anonymous), 2004-07-19 09:26 pm UTC
... - [info]iczer6, 2004-07-20 12:46 am UTC
... - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-07-20 03:00 am UTC
... - [info]quinctia, 2004-07-20 06:36 am UTC
... - (Anonymous), 2004-07-20 02:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]funkyhelix, 2004-07-19 08:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]esorlehcar, 2004-07-19 08:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chaobell, 2004-07-19 08:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]funkyhelix, 2004-07-19 08:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mariagoner, 2004-07-19 09:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - tintin, 2004-07-19 09:15 pm UTC
would the real Chaobell please step forward? - [info]oulangi, 2004-07-20 01:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]snarl, 2004-07-20 12:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cesare, 2004-07-20 01:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]backfromspace, 2004-07-20 01:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]snarl, 2004-07-20 01:54 am UTC
... - [info]cesare, 2004-07-20 02:01 am UTC
... - [info]elijah, 2004-07-20 02:15 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]calluna, 2004-07-19 08:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]backfromspace, 2004-07-20 01:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cesare, 2004-07-20 01:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]anatsuno, 2004-07-20 02:16 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]deoridhe, 2004-07-20 02:38 am UTC
... - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-07-20 03:03 am UTC
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... - [info]kyuuketsukirui, 2004-07-20 05:38 am UTC
... - dodyskin, 2004-12-16 01:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]oulangi, 2004-07-20 08:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]oulangi, 2004-07-20 08:37 am UTC
... - allen, 2004-07-20 06:38 pm UTC
... - [info]oulangi, 2004-07-20 10:13 pm UTC
... - [info]visp, 2004-07-20 11:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - rama_snark, 2004-07-20 05:30 am UTC
Bwahahaha - [info]oulangi, 2004-07-20 10:08 pm UTC
Re: Bwahahaha - [info]telesilla, 2004-07-21 03:48 am UTC
Re: Bwahahaha - [info]oulangi, 2004-07-21 04:21 am UTC
Well, yeah. - rama_snark, 2004-07-20 05:28 am UTC
Re: Well, yeah. - [info]littlest_lurker, 2004-07-20 07:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]serai, 2004-07-20 06:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mariagoner, 2004-07-19 09:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lannamichaels, 2004-07-19 08:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]anatsuno, 2004-07-19 09:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kyuuketsukirui, 2004-07-19 09:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-07-20 12:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mendoit, 2004-07-20 01:25 am UTC

[info]narcissam
2004-07-19 09:23 pm UTC (link)
I wish people reviewed my RPG. That would be such an ego trip.

*sighs*

NM

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*reviews* - [info]deoridhe, 2004-07-20 02:49 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-07-19 09:49 pm UTC (link)
Bringing additional fun to the wankiness:

It's making the rounds that the mod who now rants and raves so much about criticisms of characters in her precious game...

...once founded a community devoted to mocking Mary-Sues, and spent some time defending the unalienable right of anyone to publicly comment on publicly available works of fiction against OMG UR MEEEEEEN!!!1 flame-type shit.

It's sort of hard to stop laughing.

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O.O - [info]esorlehcar, 2004-07-19 09:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]funkyhelix, 2004-07-19 10:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2004-07-19 10:46 pm UTC
... that really just figures, doesn't it? - [info]tiasian, 2004-07-20 01:19 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-07-20 01:36 am UTC
hmm... - [info]fxh, 2004-07-20 04:09 am UTC
Re: hmm... - (Anonymous), 2004-07-20 04:49 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-07-20 06:02 am UTC
Re: hmm... - [info]leucrotta, 2004-07-20 07:30 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-07-20 07:37 am UTC
Re: hmm... - [info]iczer6, 2004-07-20 09:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2004-07-20 10:18 am UTC
Re: hmm... - [info]phosfate, 2004-07-21 04:35 pm UTC
Re: hmm... - (Anonymous), 2004-07-21 06:15 pm UTC
Re: hmm... - [info]fxh, 2004-07-21 08:00 pm UTC
*headdesky* - [info]phosfate, 2004-07-21 09:01 pm UTC
Re: hmm... - [info]leucrotta, 2004-07-22 03:43 am UTC
Re: hmm... - [info]leucrotta, 2004-07-22 03:45 am UTC
Re: hmm... - [info]fxh, 2004-07-22 04:11 am UTC
Re: hmm... - [info]leucrotta, 2004-07-22 04:33 am UTC
... - [info]fxh, 2004-07-22 04:43 am UTC
Re: hmm... - (Anonymous), 2004-07-21 11:20 pm UTC

[info]limyaael
2004-07-19 09:52 pm UTC (link)
Dude.

The policy of fandom as far as review goes makes my head hurt. What is it this week? Is reviewing nasty and stalkerish? Is the writer/artist/player/whatever upset because she doesn't ever get constructive criticism? Is she upset because someone "flamed" her? Should people only post long reviews instead of one-liners, or only reviews with positive criticism and not negative (the dividing line to be decided by the author, of course), or only reviews commenting on those aspects of the fics that she asks to be commented on, because doing otherwise is Wrong?

See, this is why 99% of the time I don't review. It's not like leaping from a cliff, because you know what's going to happen there every single time. It's more like throwing a rock at a nest of hornets, poking a sleeping tiger and tugging on a dragon's tail simultaneously, and seeing which one of them mauls you to death first.

Sheesh.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-07-19 10:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mariagoner, 2004-07-21 07:56 pm UTC
*digs out a soap box*
[info]nyctophilia
2004-07-19 10:35 pm UTC (link)
Oi, I'm gonna get slaughtered for opening my big mouth, but what's the point in living if you can't be chased by irate crowds with pitchforks and torches screaming for the chance to slide sharpened needles under your fingernails for taking a side? XD

Which I'm not doing, by the way. I'm just throwing in my two cents. Like [info]darkrose mentioned, the lines are very hard to find when it comes to defining these things. Technically, an RP in any form is role-playing, which would fall more under the category of acting than writing no matter what format its in. LJ RPing, for example, is pretty much only written out because the players often aren't in the same area to get together somewhere and have a D&D style game.

Now, there's another form of RPG, Interactive Fiction, that is by definition a group fic involving each person playing a particular character. The problem is that some people are running IFs and call them RPGs, and then want them watched/read/reviewed in the manner of an RPG. I've just taken a look at Valimar, and it fits the bill of an interactive fiction rather than an RPG, in which most things are written in script-style or very short (I'm talking one-paragraph, if that) posts.

The length and presentation of the posts and their content suggests planning, collaboration, and, to a point, editing. No, it isn't always the greatest writing in the world, but it's still writing. Many aren't great pieces of artistic literature, but they are still a form of literature, which the Valimar mods happened to have made available for public consumption. I can write a four line rhyme that's absolute shit and it will still be considered a poem whether I meant for it to be or not, and it can still be critiqued as such if I post it in a public forum.

Saying an object is something is not the same as an object being something. Valimar may be called an RPG by its mods and players, but the posts are not in RP format. They're in prose, and so can be critiqued the same as any other work in prose.

So no, having Valimar watched and reviewed doesn't seem to me the same as having your role play watched and reviewed. And while I understand that sometimes you're playing in a forum that your personal abilities will not allow you to keep completely private, GreatestJournal specifically does provide such safety features. Furthermore, each specific player should have the choice as to whether or not to make work they are involved in public or locked (I know LJ does, I don't recall if GJ does or not).

Players who do not want their work reviewed have every right and recourse to make their work unavailable to the public eye. Since they choose not to do so, but to leave it out for the world to see, then it's subject to review.

Randomly, this post also pertains to those journal keepers who don't want their comments to be wanked but are stupid enough to write them and not lock them anyway. If your comment was seriously meant for just one person, you'd lock it so that only the person you're commenting to can see it. 90% of snarky, holier-than-thou, and just nasty replies on those fandom journals are public because people want everybody else to see the oh-so-great zingers they came up with. X3 Then they want to complain when their reply actually sucks and gets wanked

If it's on a public forum and easily available, it's meant for public consumption, use, and at times retaliation. >.>;

[EDIT - To all those generic "OMFG, wankrs r so MAEN" people: Yes. Yes Wankers are mean. It's a defence against all the raging Stupid that you're not smart enough to see you're spouting. Think before you open your mouth and you won't be wanked.]

*goes to hide in [info]cairea's bomb shelter*

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(no subject) - [info]kyuuketsukirui, 2004-07-20 12:46 am UTC
Re: *digs out a soap box* - [info]cairea, 2004-07-20 01:27 am UTC

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Re: *digs out a soap box* - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-07-20 03:10 am UTC
Re: *digs out a soap box* - [info]nyctophilia, 2004-07-20 07:33 am UTC
best part
[info]naienko
2004-07-20 01:46 am UTC (link)
The best part? Reading the rest of the comments in the link up there, and seeing how everybody else came in to thank the reviewer for doing such a good job and being constructive. I sense one-person vendetta here.

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Re: best part - [info]msilverstar, 2004-07-20 06:38 am UTC

[info]cesare
2004-07-20 01:50 am UTC (link)
I'm not sure this part of the situation is clear, so boring backstory PSA:

Everyone in Valimar is supposed to be anonymous. As far as I know, that means from the mods on down. So that's probably why a lot of people are being cagey about their identities in this wank. Valimar players all create new journals for the game and again, afaik, they try not to reveal who they are.

If I recall correctly, this setup was intended to cut down on the likelihood of wank. Mmmmm, irony.

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(no subject) - [info]ktnb, 2004-07-20 02:20 am UTC
Not sure it was a rule... - [info]cesare, 2004-07-20 02:23 am UTC
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[info]ecchaniz0r
2004-07-20 02:56 am UTC (link)
'Stalking' seems to have become something of a buzzword as of late. It's like 'proactive'. Or 'communist'. Everybody and their momma seems to be using it willy-nilly, and I am sitting here a la Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

Stalking (Canananada calls it criminal harassment), by law, is basically (a) repeatedly following a person, or anyone known to them, from place to place; (b) repeatedly communicating with, either directly or indirectly, said person or anyone known to them; (c) "besetting" or watching a place where the person is visiting, lives or works; (d) engaging in threatening conduct directed at the person or any member of their family.

Article (b) is probably where people are getting hung up on details.

Stalkers do this with the intent to cause fear. Stalking is premeditated harassment. A stalker KNOWS they are pissing their 'target' the hell off.

Yes, the stalker can be charged with criminal harassment even if their intent isn't to be a freaky prick, but.

One snarky review != stalking. Ten nasty reviews from seven different people =! stalking.

Repeated flames and nasty snark and bitchery, journal-looming and AIMing, and the getting of a new SN every time one is blocked? THAT'S pretty damn stalkery. If this is what's happening to you, contact someone and get that idiocy stopped post-haste.

Stalking's pretty damned serious, mmkay, O Ye Ludicrous Abusers of the Word? Let's not fricking weaken the meaning and impact of a legitimate crime by screaming OMG STALKER OMG at practically every dorky squeeing fanlet or random troll? Your hissyfits over five offhanded backhanded remarks make people who've been legitimately harassed look like ignorami. Please, for the love of mike, shut up.

No, not everyone who claims stalkery online is a hysterical nitwit. Cybernetic/Internet stalking DOES happen.

It just likely doesn't happen as much as some tinhats would have us believe.

(Do pardon my sharpness, please. One of my close friends actually WAS stalked not too long ago, so it's a touchy issue, spammitall. *froth!*)

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Word - [info]iczer6, 2004-07-20 03:21 am UTC
Re: Word - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2004-07-20 03:41 am UTC
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(Anonymous)
2004-07-20 02:57 am UTC (link)
RPGs: It's like living in your parents' basement, in a way.

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[info]auguris
2004-07-20 10:08 am UTC (link)
I can't tell which is more amusing: the external wank or the internal splooge.

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[info]dhaunea
2004-07-20 08:38 pm UTC (link)
You know... I run an RPG that has outside readers. They even send feedback. We love it.

... I'm so desperately tempted to start a community for recommending public RPGs that are either good or hilarious reading.

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[info]persephone
2004-07-21 05:08 am UTC (link)
This is a personal comment intended for me and my friends.

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